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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I just found some compelling data that might add some insight to the discussion:

    Hahaha, I love it!  Sourced even!
    Ironically I am in a doctors office waiting for a sonogram lol. 
    Oh man, I hope you survive the terrible conditions of US hospitals!  Seriously, though, hope you’re okay dude!
    All good my man.  I was working out last week and felt a little too sore in the man only area.  Turns out I have a small hernia.  Surgery to follow so I have to lay low for around six weeks.  Good times.  
    The butt?

    :lol:     
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    I hope the person giving you the sonogram is not an attractive woman.  I needed to get one on a nad and it was a relatively attractive woman.  Thought of Roseanne Barr the whole time.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I just found some compelling data that might add some insight to the discussion:

    Hahaha, I love it!  Sourced even!
    Ironically I am in a doctors office waiting for a sonogram lol. 
    Oh man, I hope you survive the terrible conditions of US hospitals!  Seriously, though, hope you’re okay dude!
    All good my man.  I was working out last week and felt a little too sore in the man only area.  Turns out I have a small hernia.  Surgery to follow so I have to lay low for around six weeks.  Good times.  
    The butt?

    :lol:     
    Such a dick lol
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    mcgruff10 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I just found some compelling data that might add some insight to the discussion:

    Hahaha, I love it!  Sourced even!
    Ironically I am in a doctors office waiting for a sonogram lol. 
    Oh man, I hope you survive the terrible conditions of US hospitals!  Seriously, though, hope you’re okay dude!
    All good my man.  I was working out last week and felt a little too sore in the man only area.  Turns out I have a small hernia.  Surgery to follow so I have to lay low for around six weeks.  Good times.  
    The butt?

    :lol:     
    Such a dick lol
    The set up was too easy!
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    F Me In The Brain said:
    I hope the person giving you the sonogram is not an attractive woman.  I needed to get one on a nad and it was a relatively attractive woman.  Thought of Roseanne Barr the whole time.
    Lol. That s awesome.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    So my experiences with wait time this week:
    tuesday went to a “doc in the box” and was diagnosed with hernia.  Informed me I needed surgery and should see a specialist.  
    Called Wednesday am and got an
    Appointment today with a general surgeon at 9:30 am.  
    sonogram booked this morning for right now 4 pm
    surgery will be in the next two weeks.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    So my experiences with wait time this week:
    tuesday went to a “doc in the box” and was diagnosed with hernia.  Informed me I needed surgery and should see a specialist.  
    Called Wednesday am and got an
    Appointment today with a general surgeon at 9:30 am.  
    sonogram booked this morning for right now 4 pm
    surgery will be in the next two weeks.  
    And it cost more than double than that of the OECD average.

    As in, you and your fellow americans regardless of how well off they are could have gotten those visits for half if you would have had the same healthcare system as - changing to bernies voice - EVERY OTHER MAJOR COUNTRY ON EARTH.




    (In Sweden you would have waited somewhat longer for the surgery than in Germany)

    Here is Bernie speaking about it:

    https://youtu.be/xNQaO_Aa9Wg

    Senator Bernie Sanders: People Do Not Love Their Health Insurance Companies

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    mcgruff10 said:
    So my experiences with wait time this week:
    tuesday went to a “doc in the box” and was diagnosed with hernia.  Informed me I needed surgery and should see a specialist.  
    Called Wednesday am and got an
    Appointment today with a general surgeon at 9:30 am.  
    sonogram booked this morning for right now 4 pm
    surgery will be in the next two weeks.  
    I think you can get these experiences in pretty much all 1st world countries.  the question is this:  is this the rule or the exception.  recently i have had some health issues that I have been seeing alot of specialist for and they have been timely and done very well.  I have also had times where it has been different. 
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    I have no less than 3 friends right now actively gathering money on GoFundMe for medical issues and the crushing effect that the financials have on them.  

    People get worked up about the "Death Tax", which is basically an inheritance tax that effects less than 2% of people.  
    But the real death tax is when a relative needs to go to a nursing home or requires a lot of care, and the government goes in there and just takes everything.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    MayDay10 said:
    I have no less than 3 friends right now actively gathering money on GoFundMe for medical issues and the crushing effect that the financials have on them.  
    But think of those who get an MRI in two weeks!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    Should be noted that the countries spending half - also live longer. So you're paying double - to live shorter and having more of your children dying at birth.

    Start seeing the picture. It's getting a bit ridiculous to be honest. 

    #Inslee2020
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    I guess this has turned into a health care thread now so here is a question for people who may not want a Universal health care system.  if you had the power, how would you want your health care to work?  do you like how its is run now?  what changes would you make. 


  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    Produly waving some "moderate" flag isn't gonna help you out of this. Or have helped your country in most  other areas, proven by metrics and statistics.

    It's the year of the lord 2019 and you have kept a system (that some of you even defend) that makes you - bernie voice - ONLY MAJOR COUNTRY ON EARTH TO NOT GUARANTEE HEALTH CARE AS A HUMAN RIGHT*


    *And is paying double the price to keep it not a human right.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    fife said:
    I guess this has turned into a health care thread now so here is a question for people who may not want a Universal health care system.  if you had the power, how would you want your health care to work?  do you like how its is run now?  what changes would you make. 


    To me, the one topic I want to hear these candidates talk about is improving healthcare.  Doesn't necessarily need to be universal.... but something.  Some plan, suggestion, system.  Attention to it with a road map to make it affordable and accessible

    This is an impending crisis and I think people should be on the streets demanding something get done.  This feels like the biggest threat to the security to me and my family (not M-13 or whatever that is called).
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,135
    MayDay10 said:
    fife said:
    I guess this has turned into a health care thread now so here is a question for people who may not want a Universal health care system.  if you had the power, how would you want your health care to work?  do you like how its is run now?  what changes would you make. 


    To me, the one topic I want to hear these candidates talk about is improving healthcare.  Doesn't necessarily need to be universal.... but something.  Some plan, suggestion, system.  Attention to it with a road map to make it affordable and accessible

    This is an impending crisis and I think people should be on the streets demanding something get done.  This feels like the biggest threat to the security to me and my family (not M-13 or whatever that is called).
    The repubs have had 9 years to improve or replace ACA with something better and Team Trump Treason says he won’t share his plan until after the election. They have no plan other than get sick and die. They should be skewered and beaten over the head repeatedly by the dems during the campaign.

    I’d like to see universal health care for all, like the Massachusetts model, with a focus on preventive care and healthy outcomes, maybe start with all of those under 18, tweak it, make improvements, cut stuff that doesn’t work and after a period of time, expand it, maybe by age bracket? Build on the successes, allow states flexibility but require minimum benefits and bring in the health care and insurance industries, from all sectors, for input. It’s a huge lift and it needs to be a group and bi-partisan effort. That repubs won’t even discuss it is shameful.

    Personally, I’d like to know the factors that drive increased cost and see less drastic increases in patient insurance costs. Healthcare CEO compensation needs to be addressed as well. Hospitals and doctors used to be fee for service and if you couldn’t pay full boat, they had sliding scales based on income and hospitals had endowments to pay for the poor. All of that changed when Wall Street monetized health care and made them profit centers for shareholders and investors, rather than remaining not for profits at the service of their communities. At least where I grew up that’s what happened.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    fife said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So question on the lack of doctors and residents... could this be related to the pay,  if they are government employees (are they)?  In the States,  our brightest enter medical school because it's very prestigious and well paying.  Could UHC/M4A change that dynamic?
    No, it’s not pay related. As has been said, it’s almost all supply of physicians, in terms of how many can be trained. There are many, many applications for each spot in medical school, and then for each residency spot. The issue is how many training positions are available in the universities 
    another reason is that Canada has some stupid rules on foreign trained doctors.  i remember reading a report that Canada doctor shortage could all be solved if we accepted foreign traded doctors. 
    We do accept foreign trained doctors. Those trained in countries that have acceptable training systems (ie accredited similarly to Canadian training)  have a quicker path to licensure than those who are from systems that don’t have a similar accreditation system. Do you want inadequately trained doctors practicing?

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    fife said:
    I guess this has turned into a health care thread now so here is a question for people who may not want a Universal health care system.  if you had the power, how would you want your health care to work?  do you like how its is run now?  what changes would you make. 


    Healthcare was essentially universal until the individual mandate was repealed by the last Congress.  The argument really is about single payer vs public/ private. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited August 2019
    mcgruff10 said:


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