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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited July 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Just for fun.


    Personal Favorites:
    Marianne Williamson 
    Bernie Sanders 
    Buddha
    Warren
    Delaney

    Person most likely to beat Trump:
    Biden
    Sanders
    Delaney
    Bennett
    Tie amongst a bunch of others

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited July 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
    Over here we seem to do a lot better than you folks, like Sanders suggests. So no need to look at anything. Your poverty stats paint a picture of what country works the best using taxes. Which smart and empathetic people like Sanders, not being trapped in a bubble of 'murica, can see.

    Other countries can, like Sanders suggest, make a society work for its people. Weird if the US would be incapable.

    I'm on the Sanders train again. *choo choo* 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    edited July 2019
    Pretty damn close.  No thanks to the big tax hike.
     https://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=69
    Percentage of Population living below poverty line
    Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of January 1, 2018

    129United States15.1
    130Belgium15.1
    131Morocco15
    132Sweden15

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,447
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
    Over here we seem to do a lot better than you folks, like Sanders suggests. So no need to look at anything. Your poverty stats paint a picture of what country works the best using taxes. Which smart and empathetic people like Sanders, not being trapped in a bubble of 'murica, can see.

    Other countries can, like Sanders suggest, make a society work for its people. Weird if the US would be incapable.

    I'm on the Sanders train again. *choo choo* 
    You’re on whatever train brings Swedish culture to the States; that much is abundantly clear. You cherry-pick ingredients (like health care) and choose which ingredients not to discuss, while they’re likely to ruin the cake (like tax hikes to make that reality). Enjoy your ride.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
    Over here we seem to do a lot better than you folks, like Sanders suggests. So no need to look at anything. Your poverty stats paint a picture of what country works the best using taxes. Which smart and empathetic people like Sanders, not being trapped in a bubble of 'murica, can see.

    Other countries can, like Sanders suggest, make a society work for its people. Weird if the US would be incapable.

    I'm on the Sanders train again. *choo choo* 
    So you really don't know your tax code?  It's not progressive,  it's two tier basically. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,220
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
    Over here we seem to do a lot better than you folks, like Sanders suggests. So no need to look at anything. Your poverty stats paint a picture of what country works the best using taxes. Which smart and empathetic people like Sanders, not being trapped in a bubble of 'murica, can see.

    Other countries can, like Sanders suggest, make a society work for its people. Weird if the US would be incapable.

    I'm on the Sanders train again. *choo choo* 
    So you really don't know your tax code?  It's not progressive,  it's two tier basically. 
    whatever it is, none of those benefits are free. the money for them doesn't appear out of the ether....

    but its easy to say things are free on the back end, sounds good. Reality says this was paid for upfront.....
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited July 2019
    Almost half of house Democrats now support impeaching the president.

    Edit: wrong thread
    Post edited by dignin on
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    I hope that this is the last round of debates with so many candidates. It’s time to narrow the field a bit.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited July 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Where did that 2004 graph come from?  We like sources cited here on the AMT.  Mcgruff’s cited data above tells a different story and is a lot more current.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Look at your own tax code. 
    Over here we seem to do a lot better than you folks, like Sanders suggests. So no need to look at anything. Your poverty stats paint a picture of what country works the best using taxes. Which smart and empathetic people like Sanders, not being trapped in a bubble of 'murica, can see.

    Other countries can, like Sanders suggest, make a society work for its people. Weird if the US would be incapable.

    I'm on the Sanders train again. *choo choo* 
    You’re on whatever train brings Swedish culture to the States; that much is abundantly clear. You cherry-pick ingredients (like health care) and choose which ingredients not to discuss, while they’re likely to ruin the cake (like tax hikes to make that reality). Enjoy your ride.
    You mean it's not intellectually honest to only look at the benefit side,  ignoring the cost? You don't say....
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    That graph is 15 years old with no source link.

    All current data suggest that the graph is not accurate...

    But that does not matter, for months I have been reading how Sweden is such a great model for the world on how to run a country.  All poverty should have been eliminated by now...what's up with that?
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    edited July 2019
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Where did that 2004 graph come from?  We like sources cited here on the AMT.  Mcgruff’s cited data above tells a different story and is a lot more current.
    It looks like it is from the total war center forum board:  http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?754323-The-merits-and-the-disadvantages-of-social-security/page3
    I think it is from a book : " In this seminal book,Link: (click to download), the poverty researcher Peter Townsend examined relative deprivation covering a wide range of aspects of living standards, both material and social."
    book:      http://www.poverty.ac.uk/free-resources-books/poverty-united-kingdom
    Pretty cool a rock star wrote a book on poverty.

    Although the book was written in 1979 so I am not sure where the graph came from.  Damn I am confused.
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    "Have you been to Scandinavia? So what do we have, just take a look at a country like Norway. You have a baby in Norway - what do you get? You either get 12 months paid leave at 80% of your pay or 10 months of at all of your pay. You have excellent quality and affordable child care. You have a strong and very good public public education system. Do you know how much college cost in Finland, or Denmark or Sweden? It's free. So is that really so radical?"

    - Bernie "sense and decency" Sanders
    At the low,  low price of 60% taxes every year,  not the year you have a baby.  What a deal. 


    I don't know where you get that magic 60% number from - but here is how people and children live in your magic country with your taxes.
    Where did that 2004 graph come from?  We like sources cited here on the AMT.  Mcgruff’s cited data above tells a different story and is a lot more current.
    It looks like it is from the total war center forum board:  http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?754323-The-merits-and-the-disadvantages-of-social-security/page3
    I think it is from a book : " In this seminal book,Link: (click to download), the poverty researcher Peter Townsend examined relative deprivation covering a wide range of aspects of living standards, both material and social."
    book:  http://www.poverty.ac.uk/free-resources-books/poverty-united-kingdom
    Pretty cool a rock star wrote a book on poverty.

    Although the book was written in 1979 so I am not sure where the graph came from.  Damn I am confused.
    No wonder he is afraid to cite it...looks like many on that forum have pointed to discrepancies in the methodology.  I think it is safe to disregard any un-cited graphs or charts SC contributes due to obvious extreme bias.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    I understand that every candidate deserves a voice.  I also understand that the media, etc shouldn't be picking who the front runners are and who should be on stage.  But it is a pain to have so many candidates.  The last time a party had this many candidates they ended up nominating TRUMP!!!!
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,220
    cincybearcat said:
    I understand that every candidate deserves a voice.  I also understand that the media, etc shouldn't be picking who the front runners are and who should be on stage.  But it is a pain to have so many candidates.  The last time a party had this many candidates they ended up nominating TRUMP!!!!
    thats what bernie is hoping for, trump was the populist non-republican. Bernie is the populist non-democrat......
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited July 2019
    people in here:

    https://gfycat.com/hugespiffybedlingtonterrier
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    people in here:

    https://gfycat.com/hugespiffybedlingtonterrier
    That kid is pretty smart. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    But dumb parents who don't know how to spell "Donny"!
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