The Democratic Candidates
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Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before...._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....0 -
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....0 -
imo thats why there was/is so much push back. most insurance companies being publically traded, there first duty is to the shareholder, whats fucking balls out odd to me is, BUYING insurance is a hedge AGAINST risk. Buying stock is an acceptance of risk....and we allow that to be flipped on its head......mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....
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When is the CNN debate?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Maybe have tax-funded healthcare instead of for-profit healthcare and for-profit insurances then..?mickeyrat said:
imo thats why there was/is so much push back. most insurance companies being publically traded, there first duty is to the shareholder, whats fucking balls out odd to me is, BUYING insurance is a hedge AGAINST risk. Buying stock is an acceptance of risk....and we allow that to be flipped on its head......mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before...."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The whole concept of insurance is.. I'm betting I'm going to break. The insurance company is betting I'm not going to break.mickeyrat said:
imo thats why there was/is so much push back. most insurance companies being publically traded, there first duty is to the shareholder, whats fucking balls out odd to me is, BUYING insurance is a hedge AGAINST risk. Buying stock is an acceptance of risk....and we allow that to be flipped on its head......mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....
And you're right about their first duty. But that's why the public/private option can work. If people are migrating off private into public, they will have to change their pricing.0 -
and yet when we "win" that bet , they find a way to welch on it, or even come back months or even a year later and bill what was initially covered...mrussel1 said:
The whole concept of insurance is.. I'm betting I'm going to break. The insurance company is betting I'm not going to break.mickeyrat said:
imo thats why there was/is so much push back. most insurance companies being publically traded, there first duty is to the shareholder, whats fucking balls out odd to me is, BUYING insurance is a hedge AGAINST risk. Buying stock is an acceptance of risk....and we allow that to be flipped on its head......mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....
And you're right about their first duty. But that's why the public/private option can work. If people are migrating off private into public, they will have to change their pricing.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Agreed. I have heard of this happening. It's not happened to me, but still sucks.mickeyrat said:
and yet when we "win" that bet , they find a way to welch on it, or even come back months or even a year later and bill what was initially covered...mrussel1 said:
The whole concept of insurance is.. I'm betting I'm going to break. The insurance company is betting I'm not going to break.mickeyrat said:
imo thats why there was/is so much push back. most insurance companies being publically traded, there first duty is to the shareholder, whats fucking balls out odd to me is, BUYING insurance is a hedge AGAINST risk. Buying stock is an acceptance of risk....and we allow that to be flipped on its head......mrussel1 said:
Maybe, but it isn't. If you don't qualify for true medicare or medicaid, then you are put in a pool that is bid on by private insurance. That's why the individual mandate is so important. If you don't have healthy, young Americans in the pool, insurance companies don't want to touch it. Choosing medicare can help alleviate that problem. And then people like me that have good insurance through work, can stay on our plans. I feel like it's a win/win and creates true competition.mickeyrat said:
It should be in place from the ACA when it was proposed then....mrussel1 said:
I think Lex is saying that the model offered by Biden and other centrists, where you keep private insurance but allow people who choose to do so, join a public option. If the public option provides equal/better services as a better price, people will gravitate there over time, and eventually force the private sector to be more competitive, or choke them out. It's truly a choice. I think it's the right way to go.mickeyrat said:Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
Has she signed on to M4A? I presume she has, as neither of them can let someone be on their left flank.Lerxst1992 said:dignin said:
Show me the evidence. That's not what the polling shows.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Warren tied with Sanders is scary. She is almost a guarantee to lose to Trump if she gets to the general.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_warren-6251.html
Warren is +2.5 per RCP aggregate, which is almost 1 point worse than hillary was in their aggregate Nov 2016.
Plus this current polling is with minimal attacks. Warren had no reply when Trump mocked her DNA test. Ramp up the attack machine and her numbers will decline.
Plus, we nominate someone who wants to implement medicare for all, we lose.
Warren should be smart enough to know that.
"Look at the business model of an insurance company: it’s to bring as many dollars as they can in premiums, and pay out as few dollars as possible for your healthcare. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising copays, and fights with insurance companies to try to get the healthcare that their doctors say they and their children need. Medicare for All solves that problem. "
Not that I disagree with that comment but I think it's a losing argument against Trump. Let ppl who want to keep their insurance keep it and those that want Medicare get Medicare.so what you are saying a , hmm what to call it or describe.ummm.how about a public option?That somehow feels familiar to me. Like I've heard it mentioned before....
And you're right about their first duty. But that's why the public/private option can work. If people are migrating off private into public, they will have to change their pricing.0 -
Harris is done for. She has angered the Taylor Swift fans. Only pissing off the Bey Hive could be more disastrous for a presidential nomination.
She he might as well retire to a remote cabin and call it a day.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Taylor Swift is my number one choice for president.Jason P said:Harris is done for. She has angered the Taylor Swift fans. Only pissing off the Bey Hive could be more disastrous for a presidential nomination.
She he might as well retire to a remote cabin and call it a day."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Fundraiser with some dude Swift is beefing with I think (not Kanye).mrussel1 said:
What happened?Jason P said:Harris is done for. She has angered the Taylor Swift fans. Only pissing off the Bey Hive could be more disastrous for a presidential nomination.
She he might as well retire to a remote cabin and call it a day.
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Here's a timely article regarding the public option. Trump's Medicare/aid admin puts out a load of BS, claiming it's unfair to have the private insurers compete with the gov't. Medicare +5% is the current proposal. If the privates can't compete with that based on price and level of service, then we should be on M4A. Certainly some will exit the market, but let the people choose.
I think this idea is a real winner, politically and in practice.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/454145-verma-bashes-public-option-as-no-better-than-medicare-for-all
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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says Trump is "inciting Racism" | The View
https://youtu.be/ioMNtHg2d_gRep. Tulsi Gabbard Calls Harris' Exchange with Biden "Underhanded" | The View
https://youtu.be/eCBeS1jVWlo"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Gabbard has the Nancy look
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Yes, I changed it because Trump was kind enough to coalesce the caucus for the Democrats. Also, Biden didn't take the bait on Bernie's staff. Can the progressives also show restraint? We'll see what happens at the next debate.Ledbetterman10 said:Oh so now they're NOT a circular firing squad of dumbasses?0
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