The Democratic Candidates

Lerxst1992 · July 2019

mrussel1 said:

Biden announces his healthcare. It's similar to what we discussed here months ago, allowing people to exit their private insurance and enter a paid medicare market. Here are some bullets and a link to a WashPo about it. I"m not sure I like bullet two, because it appears to reward citizens in states that refuse to expand medicare. Now maybe there's some sort of penalty on the state gov't that isn't in the high level summary. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/15/joe-biden-proposes-radical-leftist-health-care-plan/?utm_term=.a61c7120fe6d

Create a public option “like Medicare” that would be open to anyone, including those who currently have insurance through their employer.
In Republican states that refused to expand Medicaid, allow all eligible people to get the new public option for free.
Automatically enroll low-income people in Medicaid or the public option when they interact with the government.
Increase ACA subsidies to make insurance more affordable.
Force drug companies to negotiate prices with Medicare.

Biden can negotiate with big pharma all he wants. These companies know how to gouge, laugh and flip the bird. And if necessary, bribe Biden. Uh I meant donate millions to his campaign

A fix to the exorbitant drug prices paid by americans to american drug companies would be to implement a price control that would limit prices to 105% of the average rate paid to the drug company by the 20 largest non american countries.

Edit, that's a nice free market solution. It allows americans to pay the rate that big pharma already negotiated freely with foreign countries.

mrussel1 · July 2019

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Biden announces his healthcare. It's similar to what we discussed here months ago, allowing people to exit their private insurance and enter a paid medicare market. Here are some bullets and a link to a WashPo about it. I"m not sure I like bullet two, because it appears to reward citizens in states that refuse to expand medicare. Now maybe there's some sort of penalty on the state gov't that isn't in the high level summary. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/07/15/joe-biden-proposes-radical-leftist-health-care-plan/?utm_term=.a61c7120fe6d

Create a public option “like Medicare” that would be open to anyone, including those who currently have insurance through their employer.
In Republican states that refused to expand Medicaid, allow all eligible people to get the new public option for free.
Automatically enroll low-income people in Medicaid or the public option when they interact with the government.
Increase ACA subsidies to make insurance more affordable.
Force drug companies to negotiate prices with Medicare.

Biden can negotiate with big pharma all he wants. These companies know how to gouge, laugh and flip the bird. And if necessary, bribe Biden. Uh I meant donate millions to his campaign

A fix to the exorbitant drug prices paid by americans to american drug companies would be to implement a price control that would limit prices to 105% of the average rate paid to the drug company by the 20 largest non american countries.

Edit, that's a nice free market solution. It allows americans to pay the rate that big pharma already negotiated freely with foreign countries.

Cynicism on drug prices noted. What about the rest of the plan, compared to the plan of others?

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

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PJPOWER · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would not vote for anyone that acknowledges Cardi B...just sayin’

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would not vote for anyone that acknowledges Cardi B...just sayin’

Cardi B < Ted Cruz

mrussel1 · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would not vote for anyone that acknowledges Cardi B...just sayin’

Cardi B < Ted Cruz

They're both idiots in their own unique way. Her opinion carries zero weight with me too, as do most opinions.

PJPOWER · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would not vote for anyone that acknowledges Cardi B...just sayin’

Cardi B < Ted Cruz

Meh, i’d still probably vote for Cruz over...B(?). Same story with O’Rourke.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I would not vote for anyone that acknowledges Cardi B...just sayin’

Cardi B < Ted Cruz

They're both idiots in their own unique way. Her opinion carries zero weight with me too, as do most opinions.

I agree.

But still Cardi B < Ted Cruz

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

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OnWis97 · July 2019

Is "America will NOT be socialist" enough to defeat any of these candidates? It's picking up a lot of momentum and I think apolitical Americans are likely to be scared by that (moreso that authoritarianism).

So who's the best candidate to try to counter that? Joe Biden-Basic old moderate democrat? Someone like Klobuchar? Or should the Dems just steer into the skid and nominate Bernie and watch him debate his intellectual inferior on the very topic?

I tend to think Biden, but that doesn't account for his failure of the purity test that sends a lot of the hard left to vote 3rd.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe the GOP d to just keeps screaming "socialist" and that's really enough for an easy Trump win.

Fuck it, throw the hail mary; nominate Kamala or Booker and hope for the n-bomb (though that might not be enough, anyway).

what dreams · July 2019

I'm not making my mind up about anything until I see who is actually on the primart ballot in my state. That requires signatures. I have not yet been approached in front of any grocery stores for any signatures. I wonder what each candidate is doing to build their state organizations.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

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Hi! · July 2019

OnWis97 said:

Is "America will NOT be socialist" enough to defeat any of these candidates? It's picking up a lot of momentum and I think apolitical Americans are likely to be scared by that (moreso that authoritarianism).

So who's the best candidate to try to counter that? Joe Biden-Basic old moderate democrat? Someone like Klobuchar? Or should the Dems just steer into the skid and nominate Bernie and watch him debate his intellectual inferior on the very topic?

I tend to think Biden, but that doesn't account for his failure of the purity test that sends a lot of the hard left to vote 3rd.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe the GOP d to just keeps screaming "socialist" and that's really enough for an easy Trump win.

Fuck it, throw the hail mary; nominate Kamala or Booker and hope for the n-bomb (though that might not be enough, anyway).

If we’re gonna throw a Hail Mary, I’m going with Buddha/Abrams.
I still think Biden/Bernie would be interesting.

OnWis97 · July 2019

Hi! said:

OnWis97 said:

Is "America will NOT be socialist" enough to defeat any of these candidates? It's picking up a lot of momentum and I think apolitical Americans are likely to be scared by that (moreso that authoritarianism).

So who's the best candidate to try to counter that? Joe Biden-Basic old moderate democrat? Someone like Klobuchar? Or should the Dems just steer into the skid and nominate Bernie and watch him debate his intellectual inferior on the very topic?

I tend to think Biden, but that doesn't account for his failure of the purity test that sends a lot of the hard left to vote 3rd.

Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe the GOP d to just keeps screaming "socialist" and that's really enough for an easy Trump win.

Fuck it, throw the hail mary; nominate Kamala or Booker and hope for the n-bomb (though that might not be enough, anyway).

If we’re gonna throw a Hail Mary, I’m going with Buddha/Abrams.
I still think Biden/Bernie would be interesting.

150 years of life experience!

Age aside, that would be interesting. It would show unity between two parts of the party and, assuming the hard left could live with the VP role, might be the best combo to keep people from staying at home.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Hi! · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Who knows? But I actually think his age is a reason to do it. How much longer does he have in the senate? Why not help out and beat Trump? That’s the most important thing.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Who knows? But I actually think his age is a reason to do it. How much longer does he have in the senate? Why not help out and beat Trump? That’s the most important thing.

I think Bernie would eye-roll himself through those eight years behind Bidens back.

"This visionless losah! I can't take this anymoh"

Hi! · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Who knows? But I actually think his age is a reason to do it. How much longer does he have in the senate? Why not help out and beat Trump? That’s the most important thing.

I think Bernie would eye-roll himself through those eight years behind Bidens back.

"This visionless losah! I can't take this anymoh"

Lol
IDK, I think Bernie has shown some discipline this cycle. I thought he was pretty respectful and patient in the first debate. But you’re right, and as Biden puts it, him and his vp need to be “simpatico”.
IDK, I feel like Biden/Bernie would generate a lot of enthusiasm on the campaign trail.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Who knows? But I actually think his age is a reason to do it. How much longer does he have in the senate? Why not help out and beat Trump? That’s the most important thing.

I think Bernie would eye-roll himself through those eight years behind Bidens back.

"This visionless losah! I can't take this anymoh"

Lol
IDK, I think Bernie has shown some discipline this cycle. I thought he was pretty respectful and patient in the first debate. But you’re right, and as Biden puts it, him and his vp need to be “simpatico”.
IDK, I feel like Biden/Bernie would generate a lot of enthusiasm on the campaign trail.

I guess they wouldn't widen their demographic and all that jazz - but seeing Warren and Bernie tag team would be amazing.

Hi! · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Hi! said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I seriously doubt Bernie ever bowing down to Biden and take a VP slot.

Not as his age, when he can't advance to President in 8 years.

Who knows? But I actually think his age is a reason to do it. How much longer does he have in the senate? Why not help out and beat Trump? That’s the most important thing.

I think Bernie would eye-roll himself through those eight years behind Bidens back.

"This visionless losah! I can't take this anymoh"

Lol
IDK, I think Bernie has shown some discipline this cycle. I thought he was pretty respectful and patient in the first debate. But you’re right, and as Biden puts it, him and his vp need to be “simpatico”.
IDK, I feel like Biden/Bernie would generate a lot of enthusiasm on the campaign trail.

I guess they wouldn't widen their demographic and all that jazz - but seeing Warren and Bernie tag team would be amazing.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see, lol. Sometimes I feel like Biden and Bernie won’t even make it out of the debates alive. Warren and Bernie? Seems risky, not sure they could win.

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