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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    goldrush said:
    UseUrIllusions said:
    goldrush said:
    It says "Out of Stock. Thanks!" It should really say 'Out of stock. Fuck you!'

    It really fucking sucks when they put limited edition items in the store at 3am Australia time. It constantly amazes me that a band that supposedly loves vinyl makes it so damn hard to actually get hold of it.

    Rant over. Fuck this. Move on.

    But it’s early am in many places. Can’t make everyone happy tho right?
    I get that it will always be early somewhere. This isn't the first time this has happened, and it damn sure won't be the last.
    But when it comes to something that people have been talking about on here since the initial RSD announcement, why make it so limited? Why not do it like the Vault issues and base the manufacturing on the pre-orders?
    exactly 
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    edited July 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    tdawe said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    My problem isn't with how it was dropped now, it was the poor messaging back in the spring. I realize that it wasn't actively misleading - I let my mind fill in the blanks - but I for one passed on the RSD version in reliance on the notion that as a 10 Club member I'd definitely be able to get a club version later. My assumption was that it would be handled like the Vaults - put up a preorder for a month and let any member who wants one sign up, then press 'em and send them around in the fall. I don't know why they wouldn't have done it that way now. 
    This is what I thought as well.
    I got to RSD too late.  They were gone.  I wasn't worried at all under the same impression as you guys...I would easily be able to get the 10c version
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,194
    edited July 2019
    Abe Froman said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
    Bingo, it really isn't that hard.  Take pre-orders for a week then close shop.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited July 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
    Bingo, it really isn't that hard.  Take pre-orders for a week then close shop.
    Yup. 

    No reason not to be fair and work with the fans, instead of whatever this is.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
    Bingo, it really isn't that hard.  Take pre-orders for a week then close shop.
    Yup. 

    No reason not to be fair and work with the fans, instead of whatever this is.
    Its stupid limited fucking bullshit that feeds flippers and "collectors" that have zero interest in spinning the fucking record.

    It blows my mind that a band made up of members that all love vinyl dont make more vinyl available to their own fan club.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,194
    Abe Froman said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
    Bingo, it really isn't that hard.  Take pre-orders for a week then close shop.
    Yup. 

    No reason not to be fair and work with the fans, instead of whatever this is.
    Its stupid limited fucking bullshit that feeds flippers and "collectors" that have zero interest in spinning the fucking record.

    It blows my mind that a band made up of members that all love vinyl dont make more vinyl available to their own fan club.
    Spinning vault 3 as I type and obviously couldn't agree with you more.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,626
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
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  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    mcgruff10 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Abe Froman said:
    whoyouare72 said:
    tdawe said:
    .......but this was poorly done. 
    This was not poorly done!
    This was announced at 10am on the 10th of the month, everyone knows the monthly newsletter release date and time. Also it was available in the Shop for over 2 hours.

    Also, random drops of limited items are key. It is incorrect to assume we would have a better chance of getting a limited item if they announced when limited items will go on sale.
    It was extremely poorly done.  Just take pre orders so everybody that wants one has an opportunity to get it.  Real simple.  
    Bingo, it really isn't that hard.  Take pre-orders for a week then close shop.
    Yup. 

    No reason not to be fair and work with the fans, instead of whatever this is.
    Its stupid limited fucking bullshit that feeds flippers and "collectors" that have zero interest in spinning the fucking record.

    It blows my mind that a band made up of members that all love vinyl dont make more vinyl available to their own fan club.
    Spinning vault 3 as I type and obviously couldn't agree with you more.  
    Great vault!  I just spun vault 4 on Sunday.
  • apirk72
    apirk72 Posts: 506
    You guys know how the they handle the vaults is very rare and there is a reason most bands labels do not do it.  
    Plus they could do that and the same number of people will complain.  When you are a band as big they are you are never going to make everyone happy.
    Some you guys would lose your minds if you were Melvins vinyl collectors
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    drakeheuer14 said:
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
    Whatever.

    They're doing things wrong when they don't have to. 

    "B-b-b-but this is what RSD is all about".

    Bullshit.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,194
    edited July 2019
    drakeheuer14 said:
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
    Since it isn't a Benny you should sell your copy for cost and donate the money to Operation Yellow Ribbon; I'll even match your donation.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    Fucking stand up for something people. 

    Could they make it more fair for fans? YES.

    Period. Stop. No need to find excuses.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,392
    edited July 2019
    drakeheuer14 said:
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
    It's not outrage.  It's simply an opinion that its really fucking dumb the way this dropped.  I have it on cd.  I can listen to it that way.  But I love listening to vinyl.  PJ is one of my favorite bands so I really love listening to them on vinyl.  Therefore, I am a little bummed I couldn't get either copy of this release.  All pretty simple to understand.
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,626
    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
    Since it isn't a Benny you should sell your copy for cost and donate the money to Operation Yellow Ribbon; I'll even match your donation.  
    Because that would make the world fair again, you are right. I don’t think I will be selling this though. Thank you for the recommendation. A donation is probably in order soon though
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,194
    drakeheuer14 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    you would think they dropped Benny again with this outrage. 
    Since it isn't a Benny you should sell your copy for cost and donate the money to Operation Yellow Ribbon; I'll even match your donation.  
    Because that would make the world fair again, you are right. I don’t think I will be selling this though. Thank you for the recommendation. A donation is probably in order soon though
    Nice work on the donation!  Let us know how the vinyl sounds.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    If only Emek had released 9,000 copies of the Santa Barbara poster.....and then a 3,000+ variant edition.  

    Man. Would’ve been much easier to find one. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,194
    cp3iverson said:
    If only Emek had released 9,000 copies of the Santa Barbara poster.....and then a 3,000+ variant edition.  

    Man. Would’ve been much easier to find one. 
    Emek and one of the biggest bands in the world are a little different.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited July 2019
    As a vinyl collector i just don't see the outrage.  12,000 copies pressed is insane.  

    This would have cost you $30-40 on RSD.  My store charged $36.  Its been selling on ebay for between $45-60.   Theres a bunch on discogs for $50-60.  The red was $43 from 10C.  

    You can spin this record by paying $10 more than people did on RSD. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited July 2019
    We need to rebuild this entire fanbase. It is conditioned to condone and defend completely un-needed practises. And it's so surprising - it's not like it is in your own self interest or help your fellow fans. 

    Remember when shit hit the fan during the "we were sabotaged" thing and Kelly Curtis came on to give a bunch of non-answers but still at least had to create an account and face us? Something actually happened that forced a reaction, a response and change.

    I understand it might be hard for some parts of the world to understand the idea of unionising or joining together. But we hold the power for change - together. 

    But as long as people are, for whatever reason, defending un-needed practises that change will be impossible. You being a good boy will not make Eddie Vedder take you out surfing.

    And people will gladly sit and wait for five years for DEEP magazines and holiday singles they've paid for while the band chills out or makes more money on other merch they have to take the time to OK - merch that is not DEEP or holiday singles.

    Bizarre if you stop and think. 

    Maybe it's just me who doesn't feel the need to make money of other fans or build up a portfolio of shit to trade with that makes me feel like "fairness" is something to strive for.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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