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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,124

    Sorry about forgetting the link, thanks Jeff!!!


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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,815
    In my opinion, The National Review is one of the "journalistic" parties guilty of being a partisan megaphone.  
    Both sides have them, this one just happens to blast the agenda of the Far Right.

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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In my opinion, The National Review is one of the "journalistic" parties guilty of being a partisan megaphone.  
    Both sides have them, this one just happens to blast the agenda of the Far Right.

    No doubt, although I think it is more of a thinking person's right biased publication, especially when compared with Breitbart or FauxNews. They certainly have bias, but the articles aren't written by toothless, hillbilly TrumpHumpers. And there have been plenty of #nevertrump articles in that pub as well. Regardless of the bias, I found this particular article/opinion piece to be a good warning to the Dems about what kind of candidate to put up against Trump.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    F Me In The Brain said:
    In my opinion, The National Review is one of the "journalistic" parties guilty of being a partisan megaphone.  
    Both sides have them, this one just happens to blast the agenda of the Far Right.

    To be fair, the NRO has a pretty wide range of writers.  I am a pretty avid reader of the periodical and while you're right, they are absolutely conservative, there are key writers there that are anti-Trump.  French and Goldberg in particular are highly critical.  Others, like McCarthy, are not.  So it really depends.  But they are influential and I think very thoughtful. I just happen to disagree with most of what they write.  But they don't throw bombs, so I like that (at least French and Goldberg).  
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,815
    Fair enough.  For myself, I am tired of reading pieces I feel like are trying to sell me on something, or to create one narrative with an agenda in mind. 
    Could be that I am overly skeptical of every writer these days.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Fair enough.  For myself, I am tired of reading pieces I feel like are trying to sell me on something, or to create one narrative with an agenda in mind. 
    Could be that I am overly skeptical of every writer these days.

    I wish the left had writers as good as those on NRO and Reason.  The Atlantic is pretty good, but they tend to be more social/culture writers than political.  HuffPo is written by children whose experience consisted of a week of blogging.  New Yorker is good, but I don't feel like they churn as many as I can consume.  
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    F Me In The Brain said:

    Could be that I am overly skeptical of every writer these days.

    No. It's still an opinion piece (backed by no evidence). One from someone who most likely doesn't have the best of intentions for the democratic party. Definitely someone who doesn't want to see the status quo changed.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    dignin said:
    F Me In The Brain said:

    Could be that I am overly skeptical of every writer these days.

    No. It's still an opinion piece (backed by no evidence). One from someone who most likely doesn't have the best of intentions for the democratic party. Definitely someone who doesn't want to see the status quo changed.
    It is definitely an opinion piece (which I mentioned a number of times), and the author is absolutely writing for a primarily conservative audience - National Review readers. I don't think he'd ultimately mind the status quo changing but not with a Dem. But he's also not a big Trump guy. The Atlantic listed him as one of the top 50 political commentators in this country, so my point was that he isn't a TrumpHumper and there can be truths to be gleaned even though there is bias throughout the article. The people on the left who can't find truth in the article are the people who will ultimately assist in Trump's re-election. The TrumpHumpers are a solid lock to vote for Trump. But for everyone else, there has to be a candidate with mass appeal who can take the majority of the votes and send Trump packing.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,265
    The issue I have with the article is that it pretends all of those items of scary, lib socialism are in fact the dem nominee’s position when in reality they’re just different view points from disparate members of the dem party, debating their wants. Now, if the dem nominee stands at the podium spouting support for such nonsense, then it would have merit. It’s a political hack piece to define the dem nominee prior to the dems having selected their candidate.

    One thing repubs have over dems, is the ability to stick to their party’s issues so you don’t have a lot of ugly internal debate leading up to the convention, selection of the nominee and the general. What were the differences between any of the 19 candidates on any policy of significance? 9-9-9 versus lower taxes on corporations. They were all “pro-life.” No major differences in policy and they all fell in goose step with Team Trump Treason. Dems argue amongst themselves even after the election is over.
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The issue I have with the article is that it pretends all of those items of scary, lib socialism are in fact the dem nominee’s position when in reality they’re just different view points from disparate members of the dem party, debating their wants. Now, if the dem nominee stands at the podium spouting support for such nonsense, then it would have merit. It’s a political hack piece to define the dem nominee prior to the dems having selected their candidate.

    One thing repubs have over dems, is the ability to stick to their party’s issues so you don’t have a lot of ugly internal debate leading up to the convention, selection of the nominee and the general. What were the differences between any of the 19 candidates on any policy of significance? 9-9-9 versus lower taxes on corporations. They were all “pro-life.” No major differences in policy and they all fell in goose step with Team Trump Treason. Dems argue amongst themselves even after the election is over.
    Yeah I don't know that I agree with the article at all, even though there may be nuggets of truth in there.  My comments were about the NRO broadly.  I wish the left had competent writers.  And your points are accurate.  
    Plus, I would argue that Sanders is just as consequential.  I don't want to stir up trouble, but I don't think he minded that Hillary lost, nor did his most ardent supporters.   If she won, he would never have been able to run for president in 2020.  
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,478
    When is the next debate? No talks yet on How many people Will be cut?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,478
    edited July 2019
    Biden 22%
    Sanders 16%



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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Don't count out Don't Know...whoever they are, they are right there with Biden???
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,265
    Meltdown99 said:
    Don't count out Don't Know...whoever they are, they are right there with Biden???
    Those are the people not paying attention or who remain undecided. That number will drop as it gets closer to election time. It’s the folks who “don’t know” the day before the election that I worry about.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Don't count out Don't Know...whoever they are, they are right there with Biden???
    One could do a joke about it also being Elisabeth Warren but under her tribal name or whatever. If one would enjoy that kind of jokes about Warren.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Meltdown99 said:
    Don't count out Don't Know...whoever they are, they are right there with Biden???
    Don’t know is amazing. Don’t know yells louder than Bernie, has more plans but than warren, is Gay AND black, and licks women and children’s hair instead of just sniffing them. 
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    Closed for review.
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Hi!
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    edited July 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When is the next debate? No talks yet on How many people Will be cut?
    July 30, 31 Live in the D. Everyone should be there except Eric. No idea if Styer will be there.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,478
    Hi! said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When is the next debate? No talks yet on How many people Will be cut?
    July 30, 31 Live in the D. Everyone should be there except Eric. No idea if Styer will be there.
    No Eric :/
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Hi! said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    When is the next debate? No talks yet on How many people Will be cut?
    July 30, 31 Live in the D. Everyone should be there except Eric. No idea if Styer will be there.
    No Eric :/
    I know. I guess he decided to pass the torch.

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