America's Gun Violence
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Then the studies just need to be properly designed and conducted.tempo_n_groove said:
Because that wouldn't be biased. Should go over real well.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m sure Michael Bloomberg would pony up. Maybe Bill and Melinda or Soros.mickeyrat said:we can make a modest start in repealing federal law prohibiting government funded research into guns and gun violence.this should include reporting requirements of all local state and fedral(including nonservice connected incidents among military personnel) incidentsmaybe one of these antigun orgs or philanthropists can privately fund this peer reviewed research as wellmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Because that wouldn't be biased. Should go over reamickeyrat said:Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m sure Michael Bloomberg would pony up. Maybe Bill and Melinda or Soros.mickeyrat said:we can make a modest start in repealing federal law prohibiting government funded research into guns and gun violence.this should include reporting requirements of all local state and fedral(including nonservice connected incidents among military personnel) incidentsmaybe one of these antigun orgs or philanthropists can privately fund this peer reviewed research as wellWhy would that be biased? They could reimburse the CDC, FBI or CRS or pay for the collection of data that then could be open sourced and made available to universities, gun control organizations and god forbid the NRA. Do you see the Koch Brothers funding it?
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oftenreading said:
Then the studies just need to be properly designed and conducted.tempo_n_groove said:
Because that wouldn't be biased. Should go over real well.Halifax2TheMax said:
I’m sure Michael Bloomberg would pony up. Maybe Bill and Melinda or Soros.mickeyrat said:we can make a modest start in repealing federal law prohibiting government funded research into guns and gun violence.this should include reporting requirements of all local state and fedral(including nonservice connected incidents among military personnel) incidentsmaybe one of these antigun orgs or philanthropists can privately fund this peer reviewed research as wellright, peer reviewed....._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I already stated. our expectations of one group simply don't allign with those of another because they are of different political/theological persuasion.oftenreading said:
What, specifically?HughFreakingDillon said:
I see many parallels.oftenreading said:
Because the issues are completely different.HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, I'll probably get thrashed from the "false equivalency" crowd, but why, as liberals, do we:
-say it's not all muslims when a muslim carries out a terrorist attack, and when people lash out at the muslim community for not speaking up against muslim extremists, we say it's not their job to do so, because it's not really islam the terrorist is preaching, etc, yet...
-when someone shoots up a school or a movie theatre, we liberals expect gun owners to step up and fix the gun problem?
With gun control, we expect and hope that gun owners, the so-called good guys, will advocate for effective gun legislation that will help to reduce gun violence.
With terrorist attacks, what sort of legislative change are we expecting or hoping that Muslims would lobby for? What do you see making a difference? I don’t recall actually seeing the Muslim community argue against laws regarding terrorism or taking a pro-terrorism stance the way that gun owners take a pro-gun stance.
Both are societal issues, but I see the two groups reacting quite differently in their responses.Yeah, we can legalize nuclear bombs and 99% of the population can be trusted not to set off their nuclear bomb. That doesn't mean we should legalize nukes. YEah, we can trust 99% of gun owners to not murder somebody but do they need the guns in the first place? Is the benefit that gun owners get from their weapons enough to compensate for all the negatives that gun victims and their families deal with? I don't have gun and maybe I just don't understand what I've been missing.
Yeah, we can trust 99% of Muslims not to be terrorists, but what is the simple action to take like taking a gun from a box in someone's closet? How do you change an ideology as easily as taking an object that is total unnecessary to someone's daily life?
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A thousand guns were found in an LA mansion. Then the mystery deepened
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8e9c352c8607a8a975d2b8664049b6653006accc/0_96_3360_2016/master/3360.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=009a0185129a0c785d32d80e80ec8977
LMFAO...whoever lived here was prepared for war...
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this is old.Meltdown99 said:A thousand guns were found in an LA mansion. Then the mystery deepened
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8e9c352c8607a8a975d2b8664049b6653006accc/0_96_3360_2016/master/3360.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=009a0185129a0c785d32d80e80ec8977
LMFAO...whoever lived here was prepared for war...
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The article was dated May 11 and the tweet May 9...thanks for your input, it was very helpful...LMFAOmickeyrat said:
this is old.Meltdown99 said:A thousand guns were found in an LA mansion. Then the mystery deepened
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8e9c352c8607a8a975d2b8664049b6653006accc/0_96_3360_2016/master/3360.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=009a0185129a0c785d32d80e80ec8977
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How does that “help,” and what’s “old” about it?mickeyrat said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/08/us/massive-seizure-of-guns-la-trnd/index.html
Seems to be two different people and two separate cases, separated by a couple of years? Maybe what’s old and archaic is that someone in the US can still amass such an arsenal and it’s so easily dismissed as routine or no biggie?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Just another “responsible” gun owner being responsible and likely not held “responsible.” It was “just an accident.” He “didn’t mean it.” He’s “suffered enough.”
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i'm not sure where all this came from. this has nothing to do with my original statement. i abhor guns. in a perfect world, they'd be illegal.bootlegger10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I already stated. our expectations of one group simply don't allign with those of another because they are of different political/theological persuasion.oftenreading said:
What, specifically?HughFreakingDillon said:
I see many parallels.oftenreading said:
Because the issues are completely different.HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, I'll probably get thrashed from the "false equivalency" crowd, but why, as liberals, do we:
-say it's not all muslims when a muslim carries out a terrorist attack, and when people lash out at the muslim community for not speaking up against muslim extremists, we say it's not their job to do so, because it's not really islam the terrorist is preaching, etc, yet...
-when someone shoots up a school or a movie theatre, we liberals expect gun owners to step up and fix the gun problem?
With gun control, we expect and hope that gun owners, the so-called good guys, will advocate for effective gun legislation that will help to reduce gun violence.
With terrorist attacks, what sort of legislative change are we expecting or hoping that Muslims would lobby for? What do you see making a difference? I don’t recall actually seeing the Muslim community argue against laws regarding terrorism or taking a pro-terrorism stance the way that gun owners take a pro-gun stance.
Both are societal issues, but I see the two groups reacting quite differently in their responses.Yeah, we can legalize nuclear bombs and 99% of the population can be trusted not to set off their nuclear bomb. That doesn't mean we should legalize nukes. YEah, we can trust 99% of gun owners to not murder somebody but do they need the guns in the first place? Is the benefit that gun owners get from their weapons enough to compensate for all the negatives that gun victims and their families deal with? I don't have gun and maybe I just don't understand what I've been missing.
Yeah, we can trust 99% of Muslims not to be terrorists, but what is the simple action to take like taking a gun from a box in someone's closet? How do you change an ideology as easily as taking an object that is total unnecessary to someone's daily life?
all i said was, we have different expectations of groups where a very small portion of said group commits heinous acts. for gun owners, when a mass shooting happens, we expect them to bend over backwards to fix the problem. when an extremist kills a bunch of people, the right calls for muslims to condemn them and stand up and do something about it. the left says it isn't their responsibility.
often says i'm comparing apples to oranges (paraphrasing), but i'm just talking about our expectations of the moral obligations of groups of people seem to be different depending on our views of each group.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
No, you’re not getting it. It’s got nothing to do with expectations of condemnation. I am not asking gun owners to condemn the actions of those who commit gun violence. I’m fact, I’m sick of the useless condemnation without action. What I want is for gun owners to be willing to take ACTION that will make actual change, by lobbying for and voting for effective gun control measures.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm not sure where all this came from. this has nothing to do with my original statement. i abhor guns. in a perfect world, they'd be illegal.bootlegger10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I already stated. our expectations of one group simply don't allign with those of another because they are of different political/theological persuasion.oftenreading said:
What, specifically?HughFreakingDillon said:
I see many parallels.oftenreading said:
Because the issues are completely different.HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, I'll probably get thrashed from the "false equivalency" crowd, but why, as liberals, do we:
-say it's not all muslims when a muslim carries out a terrorist attack, and when people lash out at the muslim community for not speaking up against muslim extremists, we say it's not their job to do so, because it's not really islam the terrorist is preaching, etc, yet...
-when someone shoots up a school or a movie theatre, we liberals expect gun owners to step up and fix the gun problem?
With gun control, we expect and hope that gun owners, the so-called good guys, will advocate for effective gun legislation that will help to reduce gun violence.
With terrorist attacks, what sort of legislative change are we expecting or hoping that Muslims would lobby for? What do you see making a difference? I don’t recall actually seeing the Muslim community argue against laws regarding terrorism or taking a pro-terrorism stance the way that gun owners take a pro-gun stance.
Both are societal issues, but I see the two groups reacting quite differently in their responses.Yeah, we can legalize nuclear bombs and 99% of the population can be trusted not to set off their nuclear bomb. That doesn't mean we should legalize nukes. YEah, we can trust 99% of gun owners to not murder somebody but do they need the guns in the first place? Is the benefit that gun owners get from their weapons enough to compensate for all the negatives that gun victims and their families deal with? I don't have gun and maybe I just don't understand what I've been missing.
Yeah, we can trust 99% of Muslims not to be terrorists, but what is the simple action to take like taking a gun from a box in someone's closet? How do you change an ideology as easily as taking an object that is total unnecessary to someone's daily life?
all i said was, we have different expectations of groups where a very small portion of said group commits heinous acts. for gun owners, when a mass shooting happens, we expect them to bend over backwards to fix the problem. when an extremist kills a bunch of people, the right calls for muslims to condemn them and stand up and do something about it. the left says it isn't their responsibility.
often says i'm comparing apples to oranges (paraphrasing), but i'm just talking about our expectations of the moral obligations of groups of people seem to be different depending on our views of each group.
Similarly, I have no interest in expecting muslims to condemn terrorism. First, they are already doing that, from what I’ve seen, but again what does that actually do? So my question to you, again, that you haven’t addressed, is what do think the comparable ask is for the Muslim community that they aren’t already doing? I don’t see a legislative fix for that, but clearly gun control requires a legislative fix.
That’s why I think your comparison is invalid.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
And of course, all of the above is separate from the ridiculous notion that you can equate possession of an inanimate, unnecessary object with a core feature of a person’s identity and culture.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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i've already expressed it, and you can say i'm not getting it all you want, but i think you're ignoring what i'm actually saying. that's fine. moving on.oftenreading said:
No, you’re not getting it. It’s got nothing to do with expectations of condemnation. I am not asking gun owners to condemn the actions of those who commit gun violence. I’m fact, I’m sick of the useless condemnation without action. What I want is for gun owners to be willing to take ACTION that will make actual change, by lobbying for and voting for effective gun control measures.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm not sure where all this came from. this has nothing to do with my original statement. i abhor guns. in a perfect world, they'd be illegal.bootlegger10 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I already stated. our expectations of one group simply don't allign with those of another because they are of different political/theological persuasion.oftenreading said:
What, specifically?HughFreakingDillon said:
I see many parallels.oftenreading said:
Because the issues are completely different.HughFreakingDillon said:I mean, I'll probably get thrashed from the "false equivalency" crowd, but why, as liberals, do we:
-say it's not all muslims when a muslim carries out a terrorist attack, and when people lash out at the muslim community for not speaking up against muslim extremists, we say it's not their job to do so, because it's not really islam the terrorist is preaching, etc, yet...
-when someone shoots up a school or a movie theatre, we liberals expect gun owners to step up and fix the gun problem?
With gun control, we expect and hope that gun owners, the so-called good guys, will advocate for effective gun legislation that will help to reduce gun violence.
With terrorist attacks, what sort of legislative change are we expecting or hoping that Muslims would lobby for? What do you see making a difference? I don’t recall actually seeing the Muslim community argue against laws regarding terrorism or taking a pro-terrorism stance the way that gun owners take a pro-gun stance.
Both are societal issues, but I see the two groups reacting quite differently in their responses.Yeah, we can legalize nuclear bombs and 99% of the population can be trusted not to set off their nuclear bomb. That doesn't mean we should legalize nukes. YEah, we can trust 99% of gun owners to not murder somebody but do they need the guns in the first place? Is the benefit that gun owners get from their weapons enough to compensate for all the negatives that gun victims and their families deal with? I don't have gun and maybe I just don't understand what I've been missing.
Yeah, we can trust 99% of Muslims not to be terrorists, but what is the simple action to take like taking a gun from a box in someone's closet? How do you change an ideology as easily as taking an object that is total unnecessary to someone's daily life?
all i said was, we have different expectations of groups where a very small portion of said group commits heinous acts. for gun owners, when a mass shooting happens, we expect them to bend over backwards to fix the problem. when an extremist kills a bunch of people, the right calls for muslims to condemn them and stand up and do something about it. the left says it isn't their responsibility.
often says i'm comparing apples to oranges (paraphrasing), but i'm just talking about our expectations of the moral obligations of groups of people seem to be different depending on our views of each group.
Similarly, I have no interest in expecting muslims to condemn terrorism. First, they are already doing that, from what I’ve seen, but again what does that actually do? So my question to you, again, that you haven’t addressed, is what do think the comparable ask is for the Muslim community that they aren’t already doing? I don’t see a legislative fix for that, but clearly gun control requires a legislative fix.
That’s why I think your comparison is invalid.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
again, not what i was saying. but i've explained it enough.oftenreading said:And of course, all of the above is separate from the ridiculous notion that you can equate possession of an inanimate, unnecessary object with a core feature of a person’s identity and culture.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
mickeyrat said:we can make a modest start in repealing federal law prohibiting government funded research into guns and gun violence.this should include reporting requirements of all local state and fedral(including nonservice connected incidents among military personnel) incidentsmaybe one of these antigun orgs or philanthropists can privately fund this peer reviewed research as wellThis. If gun-lovers are so sure guns are not the problem, I would think that broad research into gun violence (not just the guns, but the psychology, etc.) would vindicate them. Maybe it is "mental health." Prohibiting government research, I have no choice but to believe, is an NRA-owned-politican-driven initiative because they fear the result.Everyone, whatever they think of guns, should want to get to the bottom of a growing problem that's kinda unique to our country. That seems like broad research and maybe the "exact truth" is hard to pin down...but "doing nothing" is not really getting it done.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine 2013 Wrigley 2014 St. Paul 2016 Fenway, Fenway, Wrigley, Wrigley 2018 Missoula, Wrigley, Wrigley 2021 Asbury Park 2022 St Louis 2023 Austin, Austin 2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley 2025 Nashville (II)0
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Well, one aspect of gun violence has been studied.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/11/us/school-shootings-united-states.html
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Here s my thing, guns have been around forever. For decades you could walk into a hardware store and buy a semi automatic weapon that was used in ww2 for $15 without any sort of background check. These weapons were literally in barrels and there were no school shootings. Shit my uncle bought a god damn bazooka in the 1960s lol.
So today we have the equivalent weapons being sold with background checks; so why are kids shooting up schools. What has changed?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
What has changed? Why are kids so angry that they result to killing?
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