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I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.0 -
And the NBA's issues are far different than goal size, court size, paint rules, time outs, etc. The NBA's culture has changed dramatically since the advent of the Dream Teams, changing the dynamics of how players interact with each other. Second, the NBA had some built in assumptions about money and how important the contracts were (Bird Rule, etc.) that turned out to be wrong. The NBA never foresaw the super team until Lebron went to Miami.0
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The safety issues for the goalies are getting run into by forwards charging hard to the net, which is a factor as to why goalies like the bigger equipment. The increase net size will benefit the teams with the more skilled shooters, that is similarly what the shootout is not a great idea...but the players and many fans seem to enjoy the shootout, so it stays...mrussel1 said:
I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.
I do not want the net sizes touched until Ovechkin retires...he does not need help passing Gretzky's goal scoring record...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Great point !Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
I’m totally happy leaving things as is , these playoffs have been great no ?jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Absolutely...there is no need to change. The playoffs rock.Give Peas A Chance…0
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The one change I would love to see is if the benches were placed on opposites sides of each other and back in the neutral zone...Give Peas A Chance…0
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Charles Barkley really wanted to watch the finish to Game 7 between the Stars and Blues
https://www.bardown.com/charles-barkley-really-wanted-to-watch-the-finish-to-game-7-between-the-stars-and-blues-1.1302605
Even Charles Barkley knows hockey is more exciting than the NBA...LOLGive Peas A Chance…0 -
So get more skilled players. I don't really understand the issue other than tradition, which is fine. When the NFL changed its PI rules, it changed what teams drafted both in receivers and cornerbacks. It's not like it created some unfair advantage for a team, division or conference. Teams adjust. Same when the NBA reestablished zone defense. Like I said, I'm not particularly an advocate, but I would like the per game, per team scoring to be closer to 3.5 or higher per game. It rarely breaks 3.Meltdown99 said:
The safety issues for the goalies are getting run into by forwards charging hard to the net, which is a factor as to why goalies like the bigger equipment. The increase net size will benefit the teams with the more skilled shooters, that is similarly what the shootout is not a great idea...but the players and many fans seem to enjoy the shootout, so it stays...mrussel1 said:
I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.
I do not want the net sizes touched until Ovechkin retires...he does not need help passing Gretzky's goal scoring record...
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Said by every GM who ever ran a sports team...lol. I am not so sure you can compare the NFL to the NHL in terms of finding skilled players. Like I said part of the problem with goal scoring being down is likely to many teams, 30 years ago many of the 4th line players never got out of the AHL or even left Europe, then there is the NHL salary cap which is quite different than the NFL's...the Cap hinders how many skilled players a team can have, and of course the higher the skill the more that player eats up the cap, and unlike NFL, NHL contracts are guaranteed...mrussel1 said:
So get more skilled players. I don't really understand the issue other than tradition, which is fine. When the NFL changed its PI rules, it changed what teams drafted both in receivers and cornerbacks. It's not like it created some unfair advantage for a team, division or conference. Teams adjust. Same when the NBA reestablished zone defense. Like I said, I'm not particularly an advocate, but I would like the per game, per team scoring to be closer to 3.5 or higher per game. It rarely breaks 3.Meltdown99 said:
The safety issues for the goalies are getting run into by forwards charging hard to the net, which is a factor as to why goalies like the bigger equipment. The increase net size will benefit the teams with the more skilled shooters, that is similarly what the shootout is not a great idea...but the players and many fans seem to enjoy the shootout, so it stays...mrussel1 said:
I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.
I do not want the net sizes touched until Ovechkin retires...he does not need help passing Gretzky's goal scoring record...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Agreed that expansion likely dilutes the talent, although the game is more international than ever so that's probably an offset at some level.Meltdown99 said:
Said by every GM who ever ran a sports team...lol. I am not so sure you can compare the NFL to the NHL in terms of finding skilled players. Like I said part of the problem with goal scoring being down is likely to many teams, 30 years ago many of the 4th line players never got out of the AHL or even left Europe, then there is the NHL salary cap which is quite different than the NFL's...the Cap hinders how many skilled players a team can have, and of course the higher the skill the more that player eats up the cap, and unlike NFL, NHL contracts are guaranteed...mrussel1 said:
So get more skilled players. I don't really understand the issue other than tradition, which is fine. When the NFL changed its PI rules, it changed what teams drafted both in receivers and cornerbacks. It's not like it created some unfair advantage for a team, division or conference. Teams adjust. Same when the NBA reestablished zone defense. Like I said, I'm not particularly an advocate, but I would like the per game, per team scoring to be closer to 3.5 or higher per game. It rarely breaks 3.Meltdown99 said:
The safety issues for the goalies are getting run into by forwards charging hard to the net, which is a factor as to why goalies like the bigger equipment. The increase net size will benefit the teams with the more skilled shooters, that is similarly what the shootout is not a great idea...but the players and many fans seem to enjoy the shootout, so it stays...mrussel1 said:
I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.
I do not want the net sizes touched until Ovechkin retires...he does not need help passing Gretzky's goal scoring record...0 -
A good example of a potentially problematic contract is Carey Price...Montreal still owes him 7 years of the 8 years 84 million contract he signed...for a goalie that has been injured a bit the last 2-3 years...this looks like it could be a bad contract and hinder Montreal down the road. Now the CBA is coming up for renewal so I am sure the owners will get to buyout some bad contracts after the new deal is done...Give Peas A Chance…0
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Yeah I’ve always thought that it should be that way , I wonder why it’s not ..Meltdown99 said:The one change I would love to see is if the benches were placed on opposites sides of each other and back in the neutral zone...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Expansion hasnt diluted talent. Thats a myth. The amount of people participating and developing in hockey, plus europeans is a much larger pool than previous eras. Players are also overall better trained, more efficient/studied, nutrition is at a different, stronger, faster etc than previously.
The problem is players across the board are too efficient, and coached to prevent goals. Collapsing in the d zone to completely limit scoring opportunities. That, and goalies are like spreadsheets. Not so much reactive skill anymore, but knowing analytical data on where to be and how to cut down chances/angle, and make themselves bigger in every situation
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Don Cherry has explained why I will see if I can find the explanation...if I'm no mistake, part of it had to do with TV...josevolution said:
Yeah I’ve always thought that it should be that way , I wonder why it’s not ..Meltdown99 said:The one change I would love to see is if the benches were placed on opposites sides of each other and back in the neutral zone...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
WHY IS GOAL SCORING UP SO MUCH? WE’VE GOT THE ANSWER.mrussel1 said:
Agreed that expansion likely dilutes the talent, although the game is more international than ever so that's probably an offset at some level.Meltdown99 said:
Said by every GM who ever ran a sports team...lol. I am not so sure you can compare the NFL to the NHL in terms of finding skilled players. Like I said part of the problem with goal scoring being down is likely to many teams, 30 years ago many of the 4th line players never got out of the AHL or even left Europe, then there is the NHL salary cap which is quite different than the NFL's...the Cap hinders how many skilled players a team can have, and of course the higher the skill the more that player eats up the cap, and unlike NFL, NHL contracts are guaranteed...mrussel1 said:
So get more skilled players. I don't really understand the issue other than tradition, which is fine. When the NFL changed its PI rules, it changed what teams drafted both in receivers and cornerbacks. It's not like it created some unfair advantage for a team, division or conference. Teams adjust. Same when the NBA reestablished zone defense. Like I said, I'm not particularly an advocate, but I would like the per game, per team scoring to be closer to 3.5 or higher per game. It rarely breaks 3.Meltdown99 said:
The safety issues for the goalies are getting run into by forwards charging hard to the net, which is a factor as to why goalies like the bigger equipment. The increase net size will benefit the teams with the more skilled shooters, that is similarly what the shootout is not a great idea...but the players and many fans seem to enjoy the shootout, so it stays...mrussel1 said:
I don't understand why a larger net would make the game less competitive. Increased scoring isn't going to help one team over another, other than the existing advantage of a larger goaltender. I'm certainly not passionate about larger nets, my point was that if safety is a concern about reducing equipment size, you could offset it by proportionally adjusting the goal.Meltdown99 said:
I know it won't happen. The same as they will only tinker with goalie equipment...and there is no way I want the nets increased 12-18 inches as you want...that'll never happen. You do not like the competitive NHL playoffs. Hows that NBA garbage working, the best I can tell after game 1...the Celtics were only ever close at opening tip-off, what a wonderful game 6 in Philly...must have been so exciting. I'll take competitive be NHL playoffs over what the NBA produce...mrussel1 said:
You know that won't happen, and should not.Meltdown99 said:The NHL is never going to increase the size of the nets...they enjoy something that Basketball and Baseball don't...competitive games. If you wanna shrink goalie equipment, fine...then you need to re-introduce the solid pipes holding the nets in place...if these forwards want to drive to the net full tilt and the goalie has reduced protection, then the players need to know that when you hit the net with your body, it will hurt...
There is a reason they have a rules committee...they have studies the net, over and over...they have not changed it.
Were you not advocating for bigger ice? And you want more scoring? Bigger ice means less scoring and boring European style. I just got done watching Canada v Finland in an exciting 2-1 game, actually, it was a boring game as most international hockey is...
Scoring is down partly from the equipment, but mostly because teams play in the system...systems that coach like. But then again, maybe not, the scoring started to drop as teams added cookie cutter arenas, scoring could be down because there are just not enough quality players to fill 31/32 NHL rosters. 30 years ago, most teams 4th line players now would never be NHL, they'd be in the AHL.
There could be any multitude of reasons why scoring is down.
It's easy for us to sit at home and say make the goalies go back to the early nineties equipment size...but then a bunch of other rules need to be changed back to the day as well...hockey is the fastest game played, goalies need to be protected from these collisions as well.
I do not want the net sizes touched until Ovechkin retires...he does not need help passing Gretzky's goal scoring record...
https://www.thepointhockey.com/why-is-goal-scoring-up-so-much-weve-got-the-answer/
Scoring is up in the NHL and everyone — even goalies — seems happy about it
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/tim-wharnsby-nhl-scoring-increase-1.4972079
Here are a couple of good articles that have goal scoring up and trending in that direction... let's see how this plays out maybe...
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How Overexpansion Has Ruined the NHL
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1178376-how-overexpansion-has-ruined-the-nhl
The NHL overestimated the available talent overseas...that was the basis for this aggressive expansion they have been undertaking...hopefully Seattle is the last team they add...the only way I want Quebec to get a team is to buy an eventual US team that is bound to fail and move it to Quebec.
As far as I'm concerned most of these 4th line players belong in the AHL, and some Europeans should have stayed in Europe...and 30 years ago, they would have...
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That article claims the "watered" down talent opens the door for goons
The reality is, the game has gotten too fast and skilled to allow for goons.
4th liners in 2019 would scorch a 4th line when there were 21 teams.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/nhl-players-keep-getting-faster-stronger-and-more-skilled-how-far-can-hockey-evolution-go
I do agree to a point about too many markets, such as "forcing it" in sunrise, florida or Carolina the 19 years out of 20 they aren't cup contenders. They do want a full coverage footprint on the united states though to maximize television contract revenue. I would bet the next (if any) relocated team goes to Houston and not Quebec City. I would like to see Quebec City, but i don't think it happens.
I also dont believe the nhl will dare be the first league to breach the 32 team mark.Post edited by MayDay10 on0 -
josevolution said:
Yeah I’ve always thought that it should be that way , I wonder why it’s not ..Meltdown99 said:The one change I would love to see is if the benches were placed on opposites sides of each other and back in the neutral zone...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mippnByWsrM
About the 1:30 mark Don starts talking about the benches and how dangerous the doors are...Give Peas A Chance…0
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