America's Gun Violence

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    This shit has to stop. I do not understand how anyone can sit there and do nothing.

    I had been moving away from having no go issues when voting....but this one is quickly becoming a new one.

    Fuck the NRA. Fuck any idiot that thinks it’s more important for them to have fun then kids to have their lives. Fuck anyone that thinks it’s more I portent to pretend like they can overthrow the government than it is that kids get to grow up, go to school, go to prom and live a normal life.

    Fuck ‘em. Stick their guns up their ass. Then let them decide if someone should have the right to pull the fucking trigger and kill someone.
    I've kind of ducked this incident having either gotten jaded about these things (not likely) or just fucking fed up (that's the one) with school shootings.  You nailed it here, Cincy.  Absolutely.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,626
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Speaking of sad...
    https://goldentranscript.net/stories/stem-school-students-walk-out-shooting-vigil-amid-frustration,280428
    These kids deserve to vent and be heard well more than politicians and gun control groups.  What a slap in the face to the children that thought they were attending a vigil...instead of a political rally.

    It would be better if neither the vigil or the rally were necessary.  But our gun culture seems to be an impediment to that. 
    No doubt ! 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,436

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,436
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    Liberty is a bloodthirsty bitch. Demanding more and more in payment for freedom......
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.

    How many more school shootings would there need to be to move it from "spin" to reality for you?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited May 2019
    The only reason not to make guns illegal is that there are too many guns out there and only criminals will end up having them.  Otherwise, 99.9% of the population does not need to hunt for food, and we can figure out how to control the deer population.

    But, regarding “spin”, the schools, workplaces, bars, concerts, etc... getting shot up all the time are happening and are why this “spin” is changing people minds.  I say the “spin” is actually a “reality check”.   

    NRA has human blood on its hands.  If you still are a card carrying member that is not voting out the current leadership, you have human blood on your hands.  
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.

    How many more school shootings would there need to be to move it from "spin" to reality for you?
    I guess if we keep thanking the kids for sacrificing their lives for it then it can go on forever.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited May 2019
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I agree with the first sentence in the last paragraph.  We have gone back and forth on here about what can be done.

    My coming into the discussion again was the wording in the poster the man is holding, not about what can, should and won't be done with gun control.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Wish we had this outrage when the hoods were getting shot up... I don't recall it though.

    Saying that a gun owner wants to shoot someone?  Wow.  I guess people that join the military dream of killing people too?  Or a firefighter loves when a building is burning?

    I can only take so many comments like these...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Wish we had this outrage when the hoods were getting shot up... I don't recall it though.

    Saying that a gun owner wants to shoot someone?  Wow.  I guess people that join the military dream of killing people too?  Or a firefighter loves when a building is burning?

    I can only take so many comments like these...
    yeah, I personally don't see how gun owners as a whole deep down long to shoot someone. that's just ludicrous. I'd put that at about .01% of gun owners. 

    I have friends who own guns. Only for hunting. they don't long for anything other than hanging out with their manly friends shooting living things and being manly. LOL. 

    We won't get anywhere with the moderate gun owner crowd if we keep insulting the entire lot. 
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    I do think that anyone that owns a firearm should have training and repeated safety training.  If they have refresher courses in everything else you do to be certified in something then I see no reason why you can't do that too.

    Liability should be on a gun owner too, not a manufacturer or the safety class.  Owning one comes with responsibility, que in H2M's "responsible" quote now please.

    Try and get sensible laws passed like I mentioned and there would be more people to maybe, just maybe follow suit.

    I don't know maybe I'm delusional?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited May 2019
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Wish we had this outrage when the hoods were getting shot up... I don't recall it though.

    Saying that a gun owner wants to shoot someone?  Wow.  I guess people that join the military dream of killing people too?  Or a firefighter loves when a building is burning?

    I can only take so many comments like these...
    yeah, I personally don't see how gun owners as a whole deep down long to shoot someone. that's just ludicrous. I'd put that at about .01% of gun owners. 

    I have friends who own guns. Only for hunting. they don't long for anything other than hanging out with their manly friends shooting living things and being manly. LOL. 

    We won't get anywhere with the moderate gun owner crowd if we keep insulting the entire lot. 
    Gun owners aren’t going to change regardless.
     
    But the alternative is they love hunting so much that they are willing to sacrifice some kids in the process.  So, either you love hunting more than other peoples’ kids, or you are clinging upon all hope that the statistics are wrong and that you will need a gun to kill someone even if that means kids have to go to school fearing their school will be next.  

    I was wondering if some people just don’t get angry about stuff, but I guess being accused of wanting to shoot someone is the bright line.  Kids getting shot up on schools though isn’t enough to get a reaction out of some people. 
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    I do think that anyone that owns a firearm should have training and repeated safety training.  If they have refresher courses in everything else you do to be certified in something then I see no reason why you can't do that too.

    Liability should be on a gun owner too, not a manufacturer or the safety class.  Owning one comes with responsibility, que in H2M's "responsible" quote now please.

    Try and get sensible laws passed like I mentioned and there would be more people to maybe, just maybe follow suit.

    I don't know maybe I'm delusional?
    “Responsible” gun owners get lumped in because they’re not telling the NRA to fuck off or vote the idiots in office out in significant enough numbers to make a difference, despite polling showing they support common sense gun control reform. The “responsible” gun owner remains part of the problem even if they don’t dream of shooting anyone or ever fire their guns.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    edited May 2019
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Wish we had this outrage when the hoods were getting shot up... I don't recall it though.

    Saying that a gun owner wants to shoot someone?  Wow.  I guess people that join the military dream of killing people too?  Or a firefighter loves when a building is burning?

    I can only take so many comments like these...
    yeah, I personally don't see how gun owners as a whole deep down long to shoot someone. that's just ludicrous. I'd put that at about .01% of gun owners. 

    I have friends who own guns. Only for hunting. they don't long for anything other than hanging out with their manly friends shooting living things and being manly. LOL. 

    We won't get anywhere with the moderate gun owner crowd if we keep insulting the entire lot. 
    Gun owners aren’t going to change regardless.
     
    But the alternative is they love hunting so much that they are willing to sacrifice some kids in the process.  So, either you love hunting more than other peoples’ kids, or you are clinging upon all hope that the statistics are wrong and that you will need a gun to kill someone even if that means kids have to go to school fearing their school will be next.  

    I was wondering if some people just don’t get angry about stuff, but I guess being accused of wanting to shoot someone is the bright line.  Kids getting shot up on schools though isn’t enough to get a reaction out of some people. 
    "Sacraficing kids"= spin, stop it.

    First sentence says it all so what are we doing here?

    I do agree with you that sometimes people do not get angry at things.  People whom are, motivate and organize to make change and that is how things get done.

    Certain things don't get me angry and I don't understand why it does for others but I guess that is their passion?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    mickeyrat said:

    The spin on this is very good.  I completely disagree but it is very good.
    It’s perfect. It’s reality. They are on the front lines.
    It is spin.

    We act like going to school here is the same as in Israel or some other war torn country, it's not.

    Insert "school children" with any other type of person you'd like and it would fit and still be spin, be it police, military, clergy men, take your pick.

    It's spin on a situation that the author and a bunch of you apparently agree with which is a shame.  This is what good propaganda and press does to manipulate a way of thinking.

    Coming on here always bothers me and I forget that.  I really need to stay off here...

    Happy Friday everyone.
    Happy Friday.  I don’t really understand your point about spin. I mean everything is spun by anyone using data to make a point.  

    But the reality is we Us we have a gun problem in the US. And we have a powerful organization that wants people to fear the government and do whatever it takes, even when that involves putting children at school at risk, putting people in the workplace at risk, putting people at movies at risk, putting people at concerts at risk, to keep their guns and unlimited ammo. 

    When your stance on gun control in the face of this reality is to not even budge a little. Then you (the general you) are the problem. To have an incident of any type and not do anything to prevent future instances is to be negligent and part of the problem 
    I didn’t read your post before my reply.  Completely agree that the “wait and see” or “no action is needed” crowd are deeply, deeply ignorant of what is happening, or putting their irrational love of their guns over the lives of other people.  Gun owners deep down long for the day they can shoot an intruder that statistically is never going to come.  Otherwise, they wouldn’t sit on their hands when schools keep getting shot up.

    Signed,
    37 year old who has defied the odds to live this long without owning a gun
    Wish we had this outrage when the hoods were getting shot up... I don't recall it though.

    Saying that a gun owner wants to shoot someone?  Wow.  I guess people that join the military dream of killing people too?  Or a firefighter loves when a building is burning?

    I can only take so many comments like these...
    yeah, I personally don't see how gun owners as a whole deep down long to shoot someone. that's just ludicrous. I'd put that at about .01% of gun owners. 

    I have friends who own guns. Only for hunting. they don't long for anything other than hanging out with their manly friends shooting living things and being manly. LOL. 

    We won't get anywhere with the moderate gun owner crowd if we keep insulting the entire lot. 
    Gun owners aren’t going to change regardless.
     
    But the alternative is they love hunting so much that they are willing to sacrifice some kids in the process.  So, either you love hunting more than other peoples’ kids, or you are clinging upon all hope that the statistics are wrong and that you will need a gun to kill someone even if that means kids have to go to school fearing their school will be next.  

    I was wondering if some people just don’t get angry about stuff, but I guess being accused of wanting to shoot someone is the bright line.  Kids getting shot up on schools though isn’t enough to get a reaction out of some people. 
    "Sacraficing kids"= spin, stop it.

    First sentence says it all so what are we doing here?

    I do agree with you that sometimes people do not get angry at things.  People whom are, motivate and organize to make change and that is how things get done.

    Certain things don't get me angry and I don't understand why it does for others but I guess that is their passion?
    I am being an ass, I know.  You are a good dude.  But action is needed and the gun crowd or the powerful, connected part of the crowd will never let it happen.  Even small steps like background checks or some sort of limit on automatic weapons.    The more people die, and no action is taken, the rhetoric will continue to grow stronger and stronger against gun proponents.
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