Is America the greatest country in the world?

HesCalledDyer · April 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.

EDIT: And I posed the question of what exactly makes it rude. I'm trying to understand because it doesn't make much sense to me to be uptight one way or the other about it.

PJPOWER · April 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

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my2hands said:

Nobody cares what Sweden does, especially with their shoes

Norway is better than Sweden...just sayin’.
And fuck that fika, I’ll take my coffee to go!

"Norwegians are so adamant about their “no shoes inside” policy, they even enforce it at primary schools—so that children learn it from a young age. "

That has no relevance to what I just said...Why are you hung up on shoes? But if shoe wearing is your measure, Norway is definitely way ahead of Sweden!

Because the context of this threads discussion is for the moment different shoe-wearing cultures. Get a grip on how social situations work and how to act within them Cruzie.

And yes, I bet Norway does a lot better than Sweden. Where is the conflict in that?

So you must agree that Norway is better than Sweden since they push taking shoes off more. I don’t have to worry too much about awkward social situations here, as people in general are pleasant with each other and enjoy socializing out in public. I couldn’t handle the Swede’s social awkwardness...just sounds snobby.

You're creating some false narrative here to back me into a corner. What has "pushing harder" to do with anything.

I would think - in the context of shoewearing - that Norway is similar to Sweden -- "it is absurd to wear your outdoor shoes inside your house".

And seems all sane people in this thread agree. Regardless of where they're from.

False narrative? Nothing false about Norway being the better country overall...especially in the shoe wearing contex...Tell me again, what culture is it weird or outside of the cultural norm to take shoes off indoors? Seems that YOU are the one creating a false narrative...pretty “pedi” if you ask me, lol. (Pedi/ petty). I take my shoes off indoors, but personally, I’d rather have a shoe wearer in my house than a snobby Swede with an inferiority
complex, but that is just me...

again, I, nor anyone I know, ever wears shoes indoors, unless it's a separate pair specifically for that purpose.

Exactly, so do many I know in this not greatest country in the world, but it wouldn’t bug me either way if someone did...unless they had dog shit on their shoes or something. It would probably be best if some people left their shoes on, though. There are some nasty footed people out there and I would rather a place not smell like unhygienic feet, lol

it would bug me. I find it rude. it's not snobby at all. it's just rude to walk into someone's house and leave your shoes on.

and I don't understand why people keep saying he has an inferiority complex. if anything, it's the opposite (which I also don't believe).

You find it rude, but as others have stated, it is household by household. I’ll agree to disagree with the last paragraph , but thanks for the laugh!

so this is how it works?

americans think america is the best country in the world-you're right
non-americans think their country is better (but not necessarily the greatest)-they have an inferiority complex

do I have that right?

Not even close, lol
Constantly looking for something to prove in your head that you are superior (especially nit picky things like shoe wearing as validation) reeks of an inferiority complex if one thinks this makes them superior in any fashion or form.
Americans saying that the USA is the best country ever is more related to inflated patriotism or pride or maybe even a little egocentricity.

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.

Walking around with dirty shoes that's used outside inside when you have the pleasant option of taking them off like in other enlightened countries and not walking around in them dirtying things up when not needed - is absurd. Sleep on it. I think you will come to the same conclusion.

In Sweden where it's not the norm, I would say it's rude to take for granted you can dirty someones place up and not ask if its okey to keep your shoes on for whatever reason (like your'e just gonna use the bathroom quick, or you have some problems with your feet)

HesCalledDyer · April 2019

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.

But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

PJPOWER · April 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.
EDIT: And I posed the question of what exactly makes it rude. I'm trying to understand because it doesn't make much sense to me to be uptight one way or the other about it.

Exactly, and the case could be made that the bottom of some people’s shoes may actually be “cleaner” than the fungus harbouring sweaty feet inside of them. Hands are some of the dirtiest things around, but would it not be rude to ask people to put on gloves any time they enter a house? On the other side, some people’s floors are straight up nasty too (ever pull up carpet and catch a whif of the padding underneath?). Is it polite to make people walk shoeless on a gross floor? I agree, there is no norm and the case could be made either way. Definitely not a “your are wrong and I am right” kind of subject...it is...subjective. And in the context of this thread...not a nationality related rule.

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

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PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

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my2hands said:

Nobody cares what Sweden does, especially with their shoes

Norway is better than Sweden...just sayin’.
And fuck that fika, I’ll take my coffee to go!

"Norwegians are so adamant about their “no shoes inside” policy, they even enforce it at primary schools—so that children learn it from a young age. "

That has no relevance to what I just said...Why are you hung up on shoes? But if shoe wearing is your measure, Norway is definitely way ahead of Sweden!

Because the context of this threads discussion is for the moment different shoe-wearing cultures. Get a grip on how social situations work and how to act within them Cruzie.

And yes, I bet Norway does a lot better than Sweden. Where is the conflict in that?

So you must agree that Norway is better than Sweden since they push taking shoes off more. I don’t have to worry too much about awkward social situations here, as people in general are pleasant with each other and enjoy socializing out in public. I couldn’t handle the Swede’s social awkwardness...just sounds snobby.

You're creating some false narrative here to back me into a corner. What has "pushing harder" to do with anything.

I would think - in the context of shoewearing - that Norway is similar to Sweden -- "it is absurd to wear your outdoor shoes inside your house".

And seems all sane people in this thread agree. Regardless of where they're from.

False narrative? Nothing false about Norway being the better country overall...especially in the shoe wearing contex...Tell me again, what culture is it weird or outside of the cultural norm to take shoes off indoors? Seems that YOU are the one creating a false narrative...pretty “pedi” if you ask me, lol. (Pedi/ petty). I take my shoes off indoors, but personally, I’d rather have a shoe wearer in my house than a snobby Swede with an inferiority
complex, but that is just me...

again, I, nor anyone I know, ever wears shoes indoors, unless it's a separate pair specifically for that purpose.

Exactly, so do many I know in this not greatest country in the world, but it wouldn’t bug me either way if someone did...unless they had dog shit on their shoes or something. It would probably be best if some people left their shoes on, though. There are some nasty footed people out there and I would rather a place not smell like unhygienic feet, lol

it would bug me. I find it rude. it's not snobby at all. it's just rude to walk into someone's house and leave your shoes on.

and I don't understand why people keep saying he has an inferiority complex. if anything, it's the opposite (which I also don't believe).

You find it rude, but as others have stated, it is household by household. I’ll agree to disagree with the last paragraph , but thanks for the laugh!

so this is how it works?

americans think america is the best country in the world-you're right
non-americans think their country is better (but not necessarily the greatest)-they have an inferiority complex

do I have that right?

Not even close, lol
Constantly looking for something to prove in your head that you are superior (especially nit picky things like shoe wearing as validation) reeks of an inferiority complex if one thinks this makes them superior in any fashion or form.
Americans saying that the USA is the best country ever is more related to inflated patriotism or pride or maybe even a little egocentricity.

You take this thread and/or your country way to serious.

HughFreakingDillon · April 2019

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

Nobody cares what Sweden does, especially with their shoes

Norway is better than Sweden...just sayin’.
And fuck that fika, I’ll take my coffee to go!

"Norwegians are so adamant about their “no shoes inside” policy, they even enforce it at primary schools—so that children learn it from a young age. "

That has no relevance to what I just said...Why are you hung up on shoes? But if shoe wearing is your measure, Norway is definitely way ahead of Sweden!

Because the context of this threads discussion is for the moment different shoe-wearing cultures. Get a grip on how social situations work and how to act within them Cruzie.

And yes, I bet Norway does a lot better than Sweden. Where is the conflict in that?

So you must agree that Norway is better than Sweden since they push taking shoes off more. I don’t have to worry too much about awkward social situations here, as people in general are pleasant with each other and enjoy socializing out in public. I couldn’t handle the Swede’s social awkwardness...just sounds snobby.

You're creating some false narrative here to back me into a corner. What has "pushing harder" to do with anything.

I would think - in the context of shoewearing - that Norway is similar to Sweden -- "it is absurd to wear your outdoor shoes inside your house".

And seems all sane people in this thread agree. Regardless of where they're from.

False narrative? Nothing false about Norway being the better country overall...especially in the shoe wearing contex...Tell me again, what culture is it weird or outside of the cultural norm to take shoes off indoors? Seems that YOU are the one creating a false narrative...pretty “pedi” if you ask me, lol. (Pedi/ petty). I take my shoes off indoors, but personally, I’d rather have a shoe wearer in my house than a snobby Swede with an inferiority
complex, but that is just me...

again, I, nor anyone I know, ever wears shoes indoors, unless it's a separate pair specifically for that purpose.

Exactly, so do many I know in this not greatest country in the world, but it wouldn’t bug me either way if someone did...unless they had dog shit on their shoes or something. It would probably be best if some people left their shoes on, though. There are some nasty footed people out there and I would rather a place not smell like unhygienic feet, lol

it would bug me. I find it rude. it's not snobby at all. it's just rude to walk into someone's house and leave your shoes on.

and I don't understand why people keep saying he has an inferiority complex. if anything, it's the opposite (which I also don't believe).

You find it rude, but as others have stated, it is household by household. I’ll agree to disagree with the last paragraph , but thanks for the laugh!

so this is how it works?

americans think america is the best country in the world-you're right
non-americans think their country is better (but not necessarily the greatest)-they have an inferiority complex

do I have that right?

Not even close, lol
Constantly looking for something to prove in your head that you are superior (especially nit picky things like shoe wearing as validation) reeks of an inferiority complex if one thinks this makes them superior in any fashion or form.
Americans saying that the USA is the best country ever is more related to inflated patriotism or pride or maybe even a little egocentricity.

I took the shoe thing as more of a "poking fun" thing, but since you guys keep getting your panties in a bunch over SC and his posting in this thread, you took it seriously. when I highly doubt that's how it was intended.

PJPOWER · April 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

Nobody cares what Sweden does, especially with their shoes

Norway is better than Sweden...just sayin’.
And fuck that fika, I’ll take my coffee to go!

"Norwegians are so adamant about their “no shoes inside” policy, they even enforce it at primary schools—so that children learn it from a young age. "

That has no relevance to what I just said...Why are you hung up on shoes? But if shoe wearing is your measure, Norway is definitely way ahead of Sweden!

Because the context of this threads discussion is for the moment different shoe-wearing cultures. Get a grip on how social situations work and how to act within them Cruzie.

And yes, I bet Norway does a lot better than Sweden. Where is the conflict in that?

So you must agree that Norway is better than Sweden since they push taking shoes off more. I don’t have to worry too much about awkward social situations here, as people in general are pleasant with each other and enjoy socializing out in public. I couldn’t handle the Swede’s social awkwardness...just sounds snobby.

You're creating some false narrative here to back me into a corner. What has "pushing harder" to do with anything.

I would think - in the context of shoewearing - that Norway is similar to Sweden -- "it is absurd to wear your outdoor shoes inside your house".

And seems all sane people in this thread agree. Regardless of where they're from.

False narrative? Nothing false about Norway being the better country overall...especially in the shoe wearing contex...Tell me again, what culture is it weird or outside of the cultural norm to take shoes off indoors? Seems that YOU are the one creating a false narrative...pretty “pedi” if you ask me, lol. (Pedi/ petty). I take my shoes off indoors, but personally, I’d rather have a shoe wearer in my house than a snobby Swede with an inferiority
complex, but that is just me...

again, I, nor anyone I know, ever wears shoes indoors, unless it's a separate pair specifically for that purpose.

Exactly, so do many I know in this not greatest country in the world, but it wouldn’t bug me either way if someone did...unless they had dog shit on their shoes or something. It would probably be best if some people left their shoes on, though. There are some nasty footed people out there and I would rather a place not smell like unhygienic feet, lol

it would bug me. I find it rude. it's not snobby at all. it's just rude to walk into someone's house and leave your shoes on.

and I don't understand why people keep saying he has an inferiority complex. if anything, it's the opposite (which I also don't believe).

You find it rude, but as others have stated, it is household by household. I’ll agree to disagree with the last paragraph , but thanks for the laugh!

so this is how it works?

americans think america is the best country in the world-you're right
non-americans think their country is better (but not necessarily the greatest)-they have an inferiority complex

do I have that right?

Not even close, lol
Constantly looking for something to prove in your head that you are superior (especially nit picky things like shoe wearing as validation) reeks of an inferiority complex if one thinks this makes them superior in any fashion or form.
Americans saying that the USA is the best country ever is more related to inflated patriotism or pride or maybe even a little egocentricity.

You take this thread and/or your country way to serious.

Ha, I stopped taking this place seriously a looooong time ago!

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.
But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

I don't think anyone sees it as more than being on the bottom, or even being on the list.

I just posted a "funny" video I stumbled upon touching on something that can be looked at, as absurd (agree or not) and certain people in here that has a history of closemindedness started calling me obsessed and a creep while chanting "USA! USA! USA!".

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

Nobody cares what Sweden does, especially with their shoes

Norway is better than Sweden...just sayin’.
And fuck that fika, I’ll take my coffee to go!

"Norwegians are so adamant about their “no shoes inside” policy, they even enforce it at primary schools—so that children learn it from a young age. "

That has no relevance to what I just said...Why are you hung up on shoes? But if shoe wearing is your measure, Norway is definitely way ahead of Sweden!

Because the context of this threads discussion is for the moment different shoe-wearing cultures. Get a grip on how social situations work and how to act within them Cruzie.

And yes, I bet Norway does a lot better than Sweden. Where is the conflict in that?

So you must agree that Norway is better than Sweden since they push taking shoes off more. I don’t have to worry too much about awkward social situations here, as people in general are pleasant with each other and enjoy socializing out in public. I couldn’t handle the Swede’s social awkwardness...just sounds snobby.

You're creating some false narrative here to back me into a corner. What has "pushing harder" to do with anything.

I would think - in the context of shoewearing - that Norway is similar to Sweden -- "it is absurd to wear your outdoor shoes inside your house".

And seems all sane people in this thread agree. Regardless of where they're from.

False narrative? Nothing false about Norway being the better country overall...especially in the shoe wearing contex...Tell me again, what culture is it weird or outside of the cultural norm to take shoes off indoors? Seems that YOU are the one creating a false narrative...pretty “pedi” if you ask me, lol. (Pedi/ petty). I take my shoes off indoors, but personally, I’d rather have a shoe wearer in my house than a snobby Swede with an inferiority
complex, but that is just me...

again, I, nor anyone I know, ever wears shoes indoors, unless it's a separate pair specifically for that purpose.

Exactly, so do many I know in this not greatest country in the world, but it wouldn’t bug me either way if someone did...unless they had dog shit on their shoes or something. It would probably be best if some people left their shoes on, though. There are some nasty footed people out there and I would rather a place not smell like unhygienic feet, lol

it would bug me. I find it rude. it's not snobby at all. it's just rude to walk into someone's house and leave your shoes on.

and I don't understand why people keep saying he has an inferiority complex. if anything, it's the opposite (which I also don't believe).

You find it rude, but as others have stated, it is household by household. I’ll agree to disagree with the last paragraph , but thanks for the laugh!

so this is how it works?

americans think america is the best country in the world-you're right
non-americans think their country is better (but not necessarily the greatest)-they have an inferiority complex

do I have that right?

Not even close, lol
Constantly looking for something to prove in your head that you are superior (especially nit picky things like shoe wearing as validation) reeks of an inferiority complex if one thinks this makes them superior in any fashion or form.
Americans saying that the USA is the best country ever is more related to inflated patriotism or pride or maybe even a little egocentricity.

You take this thread and/or your country way to serious.

Ha, I stopped taking this place seriously a looooong time ago!

How you like "You Are"?

HughFreakingDillon · April 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.
EDIT: And I posed the question of what exactly makes it rude. I'm trying to understand because it doesn't make much sense to me to be uptight one way or the other about it.

of course it's trivial. it all comes down to cultural norms. if you weirdos want to vacuum your house on the daily, go for it. /s

many have answered why it is considered rude in our culture(s).

PJPOWER · April 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.
But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

I don't think anyone sees it as more than being on the bottom, or even being on the list.

I just posted a "funny" video I stumbled upon touching on something that can be looked at, as absurd (agree or not) and certain people in here that has a history of closemindedness started calling me obsessed and a creep while chanting "USA! USA! USA!".

I think it is the pattern of behavior that has people annoyed in regards to being “obsessed”, not this single subject.

my2hands · April 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.
But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

I don't think anyone sees it as more than being on the bottom, or even being on the list.

I just posted a "funny" video I stumbled upon touching on something that can be looked at, as absurd (agree or not) and certain people in here that has a history of closemindedness started calling me obsessed and a creep while chanting "USA! USA! USA!".

Definitely obsessed... i didn't chant anything

my2hands · April 2019

I have one thing to say..........

https://youtu.be/0oa5AWFpgPY

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

my2hands said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.
But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

I don't think anyone sees it as more than being on the bottom, or even being on the list.

I just posted a "funny" video I stumbled upon touching on something that can be looked at, as absurd (agree or not) and certain people in here that has a history of closemindedness started calling me obsessed and a creep while chanting "USA! USA! USA!".

Definitely obsessed... i didn't chant anything

I can hear the chanting like a mantra.

Du kan höra henne fråga samma fråga om igen
Vet du vägen ut ur
Ja du vet var
Och jag mumlar som ett mantra mitt svar
Ingenstans dit jag inte ska

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

P.S. I also never boast about being American, chant "USA! USA! USA!," drape myself in the flag, pride myself in gun & war culture, nor ever express being better than any other country or put them or their people or cultures down. Been to Canada, love it. Would love to visit many other countries but I can't afford to travel the world.
But, being an American (i.e. born & raised here by no choice of my own) I can say we've got it pretty well, but we're certainly not without a ton of troubling issues, either. Shoes on or off in a house is certainly near the bottom of my list of worries.

I don't think anyone sees it as more than being on the bottom, or even being on the list.

I just posted a "funny" video I stumbled upon touching on something that can be looked at, as absurd (agree or not) and certain people in here that has a history of closemindedness started calling me obsessed and a creep while chanting "USA! USA! USA!".

I think it is the pattern of behavior that has people annoyed in regards to being “obsessed”, not this single subject.

It's okey.

Meltdown99 · April 2019

How many pages is this on shoes? LOL.

PJPOWER · April 2019

Meltdown99 said:

How many pages is this on shoes? LOL.

Shoe many!

HesCalledDyer · April 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.
EDIT: And I posed the question of what exactly makes it rude. I'm trying to understand because it doesn't make much sense to me to be uptight one way or the other about it.

of course it's trivial. it all comes down to cultural norms. if you weirdos want to vacuum your house on the daily, go for it. /s

many have answered why it is considered rude in our culture(s).

Conversely, if I wear socks or go barefoot inside the bottoms of my socks or feet get dirty. So it's not like carpets and floors don't already harbor their own dirt & debris. I vacuum & broom sweep about every two weeks, seems to work out well enough. :i_dunno: Vacuuming every day would definitely classify someone as a weirdo, though! (also /s)

Bottom line is, respect the homeowner's wishes. I'm certainly not trying to argue a for-or-against point, I just don't think it's a big deal whereas I know some people are super strict about it (which is weird to me).

Spiritual_Chaos · April 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HesCalledDyer said:

What exactly is this "rudeness" of leaving your shoes on? How exactly does that insult the homeowner or what about it makes the homeowner feel offended other than "it's just what you do?" This is another one of those trivial, old-timey, customary tradition things that, when you really think about it, probably had a meaning centuries ago but makes no sense in modern times. Like taking your hat off indoors. Who the fuck is bothered by leaving a hat on?
I mean, obviously, if you have mud, snow, poop, or paint etc on your shoes, you don't want to track it all through the place. I get that. But if it's a clear, dry day or you're only stopping by for a few minutes what does it really matter? And obviously, if the homeowner asks, I'm not going to defy them. Honestly, I usually ask anyway because I know people do take offense to it. But it's just weird to me to say that it's rude without even really thinking about why it's rude, other than "that's what I was taught" etc.
Me, personally, I couldn't care less if you leave them on in my house.

What exactly is the rudeness in taking them off as the normal?

Many people in here are awfully black and whit (not saying you are), I guess that comes with being draped in the flag and therefore lacking critical thinking - I don't think anyone stops anyone from having the shoes on if they are to run in and catch the car keys they forgot or just gonna pop in quickly with the groceries they helped carry. Or even a new years eve party when @PJ_Soul comes with her high heels matching the dress.

But there is no logic in walking around in outdoor shoes inside your or your friends houses. It's not a Europe or Sweden VS US thing. It's about normal VS absurd.

Never said it was rude or unnormal to take them off. I said it was trivial, as in, it doesn't make a difference nor is it absurd either way.
EDIT: And I posed the question of what exactly makes it rude. I'm trying to understand because it doesn't make much sense to me to be uptight one way or the other about it.

of course it's trivial. it all comes down to cultural norms. if you weirdos want to vacuum your house on the daily, go for it. /s

many have answered why it is considered rude in our culture(s).

Conversely, if I wear socks or go barefoot inside the bottoms of my socks or feet get dirty. So it's not like carpets and floors don't already harbor their own dirt & debris. I vacuum & broom sweep about every two weeks, seems to work out well enough. :i_dunno: Vacuuming every day would definitely classify someone as a weirdo, though! (also /s)
Bottom line is, respect the homeowner's wishes. I'm certainly not trying to argue a for-or-against point, I just don't think it's a big deal whereas I know some people are super strict about it (which is weird to me).

But, would you say there is some kind of difference between the dust that is being created in your sock-walking home and the dirt and stuff that's under the shoes you've been walking in at Burger King, the gun ranch, the strip mall, the gravel road to the pet sematary, Etc?

Is America the greatest country in the world?

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