PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Yes, they are restricted weapons here.

But what... so now all of a sudden Canada and America are looking fairly equal in terms of gun laws to you? That isn't the case at all.

Explain to me the restricted weapon access.  Do you need a certain level of background checks to get one?  
Maybe i should research since you Canadians can not
And I do think we are more similar than you think, big difference is the training and mag limits imo. 

I don't think we are even close to similar in either way, but like I always say, it's the American gun culture that really makes the most difference by far, and in that way we are worlds apart.

Anyway, here is a link to the RCMP website where it defines these things:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/clas-eng.htm

you guys and the god damn metric system.  ugh. what the hell is 470 mm?!

In the US, we measure in inches. In Canada, they measure in centimeters.  (Yes, this is a dick joke)

30 centimetres baby. No wait... 36 centimetres baby!

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Yes, they are restricted weapons here.

But what... so now all of a sudden Canada and America are looking fairly equal in terms of gun laws to you? That isn't the case at all.

Explain to me the restricted weapon access.  Do you need a certain level of background checks to get one?  
Maybe i should research since you Canadians can not
And I do think we are more similar than you think, big difference is the training and mag limits imo. 

I don't think we are even close to similar in either way, but like I always say, it's the American gun culture that really makes the most difference by far, and in that way we are worlds apart.

Anyway, here is a link to the RCMP website where it defines these things:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/clas-eng.htm

you guys and the god damn metric system.  ugh. what the hell is 470 mm?!

In the US, we measure in inches. In Canada, they measure in centimeters.  (Yes, this is a dick joke)

30 centimetres baby. No wait... 36 centimetres baby!

I don't know the metric system too well but I think he meant millimeters not centimeters. as in 30 or 36 millimeters.  

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown is fake news!

Not to mention that Canada seems to think it is okay to lock them unattended in a car (look at the paragraph below the one you circled)...which was a topic of conversation recently too, lol

Responsible until they aren’t. 

I’m not aware whether or not you can store an #Ptape with them, though, lol 

Funny how you denied “to” but not “with.” LOL.

Um huh?  Are you high?

No, are you?

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The American mentality is a big part of it.  As soon as you say "gun laws" or "gun reform" or "assault weapons ban" about 200 million mouth breathers all shout "DER CANT TAYK AWR GUNZ, S'MY CONSTATOOSHNAL RYYTE!"  instead of actually listening to proprosals, offering constructive input, or even understanding why we want/need reform.  People want to pretend that just because it's in the constitution, it's untouchable.  TImes changes, purposes change, meanings change, function & availability change.  Everything fucking changes.  The reasons the 2nd Amendment were originally written are (mostly) irrelevant & unnecessary today.  I invite everyone who doesn't want change in gun laws... next time you all go to the doctor, have surgery, etc, please make sure to ask your doctor to give you medical advice or perform procedures from the 18th fucking century.  Instead of reaching for some Tylenol when you have a headache, call your doctor and schedule a lobotomy instead.  You wouldn't. And rightfully so, because it's completely fucking archaic.  Just like the 2nd fucking Amendment. So stop hiding behind that god damn skirt (and I'm not saying anyone here in particular is, just talking in general) and do something so our elementary schools, movie theaters, churches, mosques, shopping centers, etc, etc, etc don't get shot the fuck up on a god damn daily basis.

What really is the American fascination with guns anyway?  We NEED to get away from that.  (And before anyone retorts, yes, we really do.)  And "it's my right" isn't a valid answer.  It's your right to protest, right to vote, but I don't see hundreds of million Americans so vehemently expressing how awesome it is do those things nor fighting to keep them.  No we do just the exact polar fucking opposite of those; we try to suppress them.  I want to know exactly what is the mentality, what is the desire, the amazement, what is at the CORE of wanting to many god damn guns?  What makes people feel so threatened if suddenly guns didn't exist?

The founders thought owning firearms was so important that it was the sixth right they listed  (behind the first five in the first amendment).    Training?  Sounds good.  Registration?  Zero problems with it.  Background checks?  Giddy up.  Banning something,  yeah no thanks.  Because after you ban something then the question becomes, what is next?  Oh yeah, senators from Hawaii:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment

Hawaii Democrats Want U.S. Congress to Consider Repeal of Second Amendment

A resolution introduced in the Hawaii Senate this week urges the U.S. Congress to "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right."

The resolution also urges Congress to adopt a proposed constitutional amendment "to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms."

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

The 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller also stated, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

The article continues on the web page I referenced.

You did 100% exactly what I asked not to. I need to know what you personally think. Pretend the 2nd Amendment never existed. Why are Americans so fascinated with guns? Why away are you so threatened if weapons were banned? Forget the Constitution, what’s at the core? Why do Americans jerk off every time they see a gun? 

Just going on record saying that I have never jerked off to a gun...lol

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The American mentality is a big part of it.  As soon as you say "gun laws" or "gun reform" or "assault weapons ban" about 200 million mouth breathers all shout "DER CANT TAYK AWR GUNZ, S'MY CONSTATOOSHNAL RYYTE!"  instead of actually listening to proprosals, offering constructive input, or even understanding why we want/need reform.  People want to pretend that just because it's in the constitution, it's untouchable.  TImes changes, purposes change, meanings change, function & availability change.  Everything fucking changes.  The reasons the 2nd Amendment were originally written are (mostly) irrelevant & unnecessary today.  I invite everyone who doesn't want change in gun laws... next time you all go to the doctor, have surgery, etc, please make sure to ask your doctor to give you medical advice or perform procedures from the 18th fucking century.  Instead of reaching for some Tylenol when you have a headache, call your doctor and schedule a lobotomy instead.  You wouldn't. And rightfully so, because it's completely fucking archaic.  Just like the 2nd fucking Amendment. So stop hiding behind that god damn skirt (and I'm not saying anyone here in particular is, just talking in general) and do something so our elementary schools, movie theaters, churches, mosques, shopping centers, etc, etc, etc don't get shot the fuck up on a god damn daily basis.

What really is the American fascination with guns anyway?  We NEED to get away from that.  (And before anyone retorts, yes, we really do.)  And "it's my right" isn't a valid answer.  It's your right to protest, right to vote, but I don't see hundreds of million Americans so vehemently expressing how awesome it is do those things nor fighting to keep them.  No we do just the exact polar fucking opposite of those; we try to suppress them.  I want to know exactly what is the mentality, what is the desire, the amazement, what is at the CORE of wanting to many god damn guns?  What makes people feel so threatened if suddenly guns didn't exist?

The founders thought owning firearms was so important that it was the sixth right they listed  (behind the first five in the first amendment).    Training?  Sounds good.  Registration?  Zero problems with it.  Background checks?  Giddy up.  Banning something,  yeah no thanks.  Because after you ban something then the question becomes, what is next?  Oh yeah, senators from Hawaii:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment

Hawaii Democrats Want U.S. Congress to Consider Repeal of Second Amendment

A resolution introduced in the Hawaii Senate this week urges the U.S. Congress to "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right."

The resolution also urges Congress to adopt a proposed constitutional amendment "to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms."

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

The 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller also stated, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

The article continues on the web page I referenced.

You did 100% exactly what I asked not to. I need to know what you personally think. Pretend the 2nd Amendment never existed. Why are Americans so fascinated with guns? Why away are you so threatened if weapons were banned? Forget the Constitution, what’s at the core? Why do Americans jerk off every time they see a gun? 

Just going on record saying that I have never jerked off to a gun...lol

There you go JO.

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And here’s why it never changes.

https://apple.news/ACyeMkAxuQ7KT3WJAzHog8w

I m definitely not a fan of this law. Guilty until proven innocent. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mcgruff10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

The American mentality is a big part of it.  As soon as you say "gun laws" or "gun reform" or "assault weapons ban" about 200 million mouth breathers all shout "DER CANT TAYK AWR GUNZ, S'MY CONSTATOOSHNAL RYYTE!"  instead of actually listening to proprosals, offering constructive input, or even understanding why we want/need reform.  People want to pretend that just because it's in the constitution, it's untouchable.  TImes changes, purposes change, meanings change, function & availability change.  Everything fucking changes.  The reasons the 2nd Amendment were originally written are (mostly) irrelevant & unnecessary today.  I invite everyone who doesn't want change in gun laws... next time you all go to the doctor, have surgery, etc, please make sure to ask your doctor to give you medical advice or perform procedures from the 18th fucking century.  Instead of reaching for some Tylenol when you have a headache, call your doctor and schedule a lobotomy instead.  You wouldn't. And rightfully so, because it's completely fucking archaic.  Just like the 2nd fucking Amendment. So stop hiding behind that god damn skirt (and I'm not saying anyone here in particular is, just talking in general) and do something so our elementary schools, movie theaters, churches, mosques, shopping centers, etc, etc, etc don't get shot the fuck up on a god damn daily basis.

What really is the American fascination with guns anyway?  We NEED to get away from that.  (And before anyone retorts, yes, we really do.)  And "it's my right" isn't a valid answer.  It's your right to protest, right to vote, but I don't see hundreds of million Americans so vehemently expressing how awesome it is do those things nor fighting to keep them.  No we do just the exact polar fucking opposite of those; we try to suppress them.  I want to know exactly what is the mentality, what is the desire, the amazement, what is at the CORE of wanting to many god damn guns?  What makes people feel so threatened if suddenly guns didn't exist?

The founders thought owning firearms was so important that it was the sixth right they listed  (behind the first five in the first amendment).    Training?  Sounds good.  Registration?  Zero problems with it.  Background checks?  Giddy up.  Banning something,  yeah no thanks.  Because after you ban something then the question becomes, what is next?  Oh yeah, senators from Hawaii:
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hawaii-democrats-want-us-congress-consider-repeal-second-amendment

Hawaii Democrats Want U.S. Congress to Consider Repeal of Second Amendment

A resolution introduced in the Hawaii Senate this week urges the U.S. Congress to "consider and discuss whether the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution should be repealed or amended to clarify that the right to bear arms is a collective, rather than individual, constitutional right."

The resolution also urges Congress to adopt a proposed constitutional amendment "to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms."

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2008 that the Second Amendment "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home."

The 5-4 ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller also stated, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

The article continues on the web page I referenced.

You did 100% exactly what I asked not to. I need to know what you personally think. Pretend the 2nd Amendment never existed. Why are Americans so fascinated with guns? Why away are you so threatened if weapons were banned? Forget the Constitution, what’s at the core? Why do Americans jerk off every time they see a gun? 

Just going on record saying that I have never jerked off to a gun...lol

There you go JO.

Well, guns cannot jerk off, so...But really, this is what you came up with?  Wow...weak...
But since you are prone to carry this shit on forever...No, I have never and do not ever plan on jerking off “with” a gun either.  Satisfied #Ptape?

I don’t believe your lies.

Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And here’s why it never changes.

https://apple.news/ACyeMkAxuQ7KT3WJAzHog8w

I m definitely not a fan of this law. Guilty until proven innocent. 

I don't interpret that in such a way. Unless there is a trial involved, that concept doesn't apply IMO. But either way, in this context it's simply about putting public safety ahead of individual rights, which I'm all for, and in most cases, so are Americans in general as far as I can tell. And with the obvious dangers brought to the public when it comes to people who shouldn't have guns having guns, this kind of legislation makes all the sense in the world to me.

I ll have to do more research on it.  Maybe I am missing something. 

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

There are several reasons it wouldn't happen, but the biggest one is cost. I rarely hear anyone talk about the cost of a buyback program. If it is not voluntary, but mandatory then it isn't right to only offer $100 a gun, it would have to be the fair market value. And it is not uncommon for guns to cost $1000 or more. The $5.5 billion that many laughed at to build the wall is probably what a buyback program would cost. Who here wants to donate a ten thousands dollars to support this?

Statistics show that about 43% of American households have at least one gun and I'm guessing that's low.  So think about how many people would have to be hired to go out and confiscate all those guns.  Basically half the country would be confiscating guns from the other half and nothing else would get done. 

So the logical thing to do is to start by banning assault rifles and then, even more importantly, work on making life better (and by better I don't mean just being able to buy more stuff) so that people will be happier and feel safer and then maybe opt not to buy yet another goddamn gun in the first place. 

Would the half that gets to confiscate the guns get danger pay.  I can not imagine what could go wrong by trying to confiscate guns from people that have plenty of ammo and are pissed that they are having their guns confiscated...lol

I guess the trick is to just ask nicely.

Seriously though, there are just too many gun owners who literally see it as their God-given right to possess fire arms and most of whom are no way just going to hand over their fire arms.  No, the answer is very complicated and complex- more education, build safer communities, stronger background checks and registration including gun safety courses, banning of automatic weapons.  Even just one of those is a big goal.  Unfortunately, I don't see how this gun issue will ever be resolved. 

That is so true.  That's why disarming them is not a real feasible goal.  Tougher gun laws would be a start, better background checks.  

Background checks is a hot talking point.

What should a background check consist of?  

What would you like to see done?

I am a Canadian.  

In Canada, you must take a firearms safety course and pass before purchasing unrestricted firearms.  You must also take a hunters safety course before you can hunt legally.

Firearms Safety Training

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/safe_sur/index-eng.htm

You can own restricted weapons, but 1st must apply for a restricted weapons permit, and if you get restricted weapons permit, the rules involved in transporting your gun are stiff.  Upon purchasing your restricted weapon, you would be placed on the restricted weapons registry.

Canadian Firearms Registry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry

And all guns must be in the locked cabinet and stored separately from the ammo.

Once again this does nothing to stop the criminal, and we have our fair share of gun crime.

Good ole
meltdown started this one. 

Geez Meltdown, no wonder you're a Ford and Scheer supporter. You've got all your facts fucked up.