America's Gun Violence

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

This is getting a bit silly.  People say that no one needs quick access to a firearm and say that it is “fear” driving them to think someone will break into their house (some say they don’t even lock their doors).  And then in the same breath people are “afraid” of a criminal breaking into someone’s house and stealing their guns and ammo that are stored together in a secure vault?  Lol. Do we fear people breaking in or not???

Lol. Great point 

No it's not. Almost all burglaries are undertaken when nobody is home. So the concern about guns being stolen is a realistic one, while the fear of being invaded while the homeowner is actually there so that they can defend themselves with a gun is not so much. But FWIW, I don't think keeping ammo separate from guns has anything to do with gun theft.

That’s why you get a dog, people will rarely break into places with a dog barking at them.  Those schizophrenia inducing cats won’t protect shit! 

Instead of locking doors, my parents used to keep a light on inside, turn the radio on, and post a beware of dog sign on the door. We never had a dog, lol.

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

but wouldn't you be ok with giving up a hobby if it saves even one life? if I could save anyone's life by giving up something I love doing, I'd do it in a nanosecond. 

You phrase this in a way that will make me sound like a jerk if I disagree with it...  It's the equivalent of asking someone if they still beat their wife.

I'm going to turn the tables around and ask that we all make cars that can only do 65mph because that saves lives.  No more speeding on the highway or roads, racing or motorsports for the sake of saving one life(s).

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Not offended here either, but not necessarily interested in giving a serious response to a condescending anger fueled hypothetical with straw men mixed in.  You may get better responses if you act like an adult...but I could be wrong.  This is the AMT after all!

I'll act how I please, so don't tell me how to. And yes, I'm anger fueled.  I'm angry that time and time again large groups of innocent children, movie-goers, church worshippers, shoppers, office workers, etc, etc, are shot up in public places and not a single fucking thing gets done except thoughts and prayers. Sue me for being a bit pissed off at gun culture in this nation.  You can't be bothered to respond to an honest question just because I'm angry but spend time responding to me anyway to tell me how I should act.  If I don't fit your "worthy of response" criteria, why respond at all?

The question remains and no one has given an answer.  Why are Americans so fascinated with guns?  Why is gun culture so ingrained in the American mind? Why is banning assault weapons so threatening to gun lovers?  And again, pretend the Constitution never existed when forming your answer. I'm not looking for automatic responses like "It's my right" or "The Constitution says" or "Heller says" or "Founding Fathers thought."  What makes people so happy and defensive about their guns?

I've been shooting since I was 9.  Shot my first AR-15 around that time.  Have always been around firearms.  Shot competitively for a while.  Took training classes.  Had a lot of fun with it.  Enjoy the history, evolution of the weapons and the sporting part of it.

Taking away what I do/did for recreation is a big deal to me when all I have ever done is be law abiding and safe with my firearms.  There are a lot of other people that have followed the same path, millions actually, and don't want to give those things up.

but wouldn't you be ok with giving up a hobby if it saves even one life? if I could save anyone's life by giving up something I love doing, I'd do it in a nanosecond. 

What kinds of things do you love doing?  People die in boating accidents all the time, should boats and fishing be illegal to save “even one life”?  I mean, it’s just a hobbie...?  
I grew up similarly to tempo, but being in a farming and ranching family, firearm ownership was well beyond the confides of hobby use and were needed for everyday use (predator control, rattlesnakes, etc).  I don’t claim to know why someone in the inner city may feel the need to own one, just as I don’t expect them to know why a rancher would.  That’s why the only justification you really need is that it is your individual constitutional right to do so.  
But, back to your point, how is tempo giving up his hobbie going to save a life (assuming he does follow safety measures and I have no reason to believe otherwise)?

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And I guess these three kids don’t count in the domestic violence tally.

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/03/19/sheffield-fire-murder-suicide

Not sure if you take everything out of context on purpose or not. The whole domestic violence was brought up as a defense for storing guns and ammo separately, in order to give the victim extra time to flea. Those of us who own and properly store guns don't agree with that assessment. 
Not sure how this is related at all to anything we've been talking about. Are you suggesting if he stored his ammo separately that would have given him extra time to think about his act and he would not have set his house on fire? If not, then it isn't related to the domestic violence discussion that was going on and not sure why it was posted here.

You posted a claim that only 50 women a month die by gunshot as a result of domestic violence and seem to always minimize the carnage caused by gun violence. Again, I wasn’t commenting specifically about gun/ammo storage but your minimization of domestic violence victims. It’s still just around 600 a year, right?

Giving facts is minimizing?
And probably yes. That 600 is the biggest fact, that number won't change much by including fatally shot men and children through domestic violence relationships.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Do these 7 count in your tally or just the estranged wife of the gunman?

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/12/us/texas-plano-mass-shooting-at-cowboys-watch-party/index.html