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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I think baseball is trying too hard to get people who will never like baseball to like baseball.  
    As well as trying to get people who used to like baseball to like it again. And it seems like a tall task to get people to follow the entire MLB like people do the NFL. I can only speak for myself, but I don't watch any baseball other than the Phillies and the postseason. 
    Football's league wide popularity is built off fantasy. No one who doesn't play fantasy football is watching some random out of conference game.

    So you are exactly what baseball wants.  There are 162 baseball games.  No one expects anyone but absolute die hards to watch anything but their local team and the playoffs.  If there were 20 teams trying to compete, paying good players and there were 20 markets that were heavily invested in their team, baseball would be thrilled.

    Also, baseball revenue is higher than it has ever been...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Right - baseball is completely regional. I actually cock my head when people say they like watching any baseball game. It's kinda weird.
    Completely regional. It is and always has been this way.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I think baseball is trying too hard to get people who will never like baseball to like baseball.  
    As well as trying to get people who used to like baseball to like it again. And it seems like a tall task to get people to follow the entire MLB like people do the NFL. I can only speak for myself, but I don't watch any baseball other than the Phillies and the postseason. 
    Football's league wide popularity is built off fantasy. No one who doesn't play fantasy football is watching some random out of conference game.
    I don’t think that second part is true. I’ve never played fantasy or even thought about it and I don’t know anyone that’s a die hard fantasy nerd and we’re always chatting about random games outside of our personal favorites and maybe the other regional teams.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    The Juggler said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Plus, starters pitched 6 innings minimum, and closers went the rest of the way.  One pitching change unlike today's 4-6 per game.
    True. Hitters also rarely stepped out of box between pitches back then. Little stuff like that adds up .
    What about using a new ball EVERY time it hits the dirt?  That seems to happen a bunch of times during a game which will disrupt a rhythm.

    Ball hits dirt catcher waits with hand out for ball, throws back to pitcher, pitcher steps off rubber rubbing ball to get the feel back.

    Just an idea.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I think baseball is trying too hard to get people who will never like baseball to like baseball.  
    As well as trying to get people who used to like baseball to like it again. And it seems like a tall task to get people to follow the entire MLB like people do the NFL. I can only speak for myself, but I don't watch any baseball other than the Phillies and the postseason. 
    Football's league wide popularity is built off fantasy. No one who doesn't play fantasy football is watching some random out of conference game.

    So you are exactly what baseball wants.  There are 162 baseball games.  No one expects anyone but absolute die hards to watch anything but their local team and the playoffs.  If there were 20 teams trying to compete, paying good players and there were 20 markets that were heavily invested in their team, baseball would be thrilled.

    Also, baseball revenue is higher than it has ever been...
    I agree about the impact of fantasy football, but I don't think only fantasy players watch games not involving their teams. 

    And speaking of the high revenue of baseball, I saw a breakdown of Harper's contract this morning. He's going to make in three innings what I make in a year. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,534
    Anyway, the three pitcher minimum is fucking stupid.

    Did they limit the amount of times catchers can meet with the pitcher? I know they limited the amount coaches & managers can but didn't know about random conferences on the mound. That stuff is the worst.

    Get rid of the countdown between innings. It's made my entertainment from the Phanatic to be SHIT.

    I don't mind a pitch clock for pitchers, though I'll say what pitcher doesn't want to speed up the game? It's in your favor as the pitcher.

    If they implement a rule to get rid of the shift my head may explode.

    And the league wants more offense but shorter games? That is not a thing.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,868
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Kris Bryant has had a bad last 2 years.  He was hurt last year but the year before he had some drops in production.

    You guys that follow the cubbies closely have any idea why?

    Hoping the Angels bring up some of their farm team this year.  Maitan I'm talking to you!I
    I am really hoping he is healthy and goes back to his MVP form. He is just too damned good to have mediocre seasons.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Anyway, the three pitcher minimum is fucking stupid.

    Did they limit the amount of times catchers can meet with the pitcher? I know they limited the amount coaches & managers can but didn't know about random conferences on the mound. That stuff is the worst.

    Get rid of the countdown between innings. It's made my entertainment from the Phanatic to be SHIT.

    I don't mind a pitch clock for pitchers, though I'll say what pitcher doesn't want to speed up the game? It's in your favor as the pitcher.

    If they implement a rule to get rid of the shift my head may explode.

    And the league wants more offense but shorter games? That is not a thing.
    That is most definitely not a thing!

    Catchers or coaches going to the mound is a mound visit.

    I don't hate the 3 batter minimum as much as I thought I would based on what I have read. Only certain teams abuse it. I posted this yesterday, but the Yankees only faced that situation 2 times last year where a pitcher either didn't face 3 batters or finish an inning.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I think baseball is trying too hard to get people who will never like baseball to like baseball.  
    As well as trying to get people who used to like baseball to like it again. And it seems like a tall task to get people to follow the entire MLB like people do the NFL. I can only speak for myself, but I don't watch any baseball other than the Phillies and the postseason. 
    Football's league wide popularity is built off fantasy. No one who doesn't play fantasy football is watching some random out of conference game.

    So you are exactly what baseball wants.  There are 162 baseball games.  No one expects anyone but absolute die hards to watch anything but their local team and the playoffs.  If there were 20 teams trying to compete, paying good players and there were 20 markets that were heavily invested in their team, baseball would be thrilled.

    Also, baseball revenue is higher than it has ever been...
    I agree about the impact of fantasy football, but I don't think only fantasy players watch games not involving their teams. 

    And speaking of the high revenue of baseball, I saw a breakdown of Harper's contract this morning. He's going to make in three innings what I make in a year. 
    So maybe not just fantasy but gambling in general.  Gambling has a massive impact on football's popularity.

    But that is precisely the only problem baseball has.  Less than half the league is trying to win.  It is a regional sport and how can you expect people to invest the time into baseball when the team stinks and is terrible to watch.  You can in football because it's once a week.  If there were more teams in the mix for Harper, god knows any team can afford him, then baseball would be in a better spot in areas it's not in a good place in.  He makes a ton of money, but good for him. Rather him make the money than Middleton.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-hit-by-pitch-on-foot-limps-off-field

    Ruh roh Raggy!! 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    DewieCox said:
    https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-hit-by-pitch-on-foot-limps-off-field

    Ruh roh Raggy!! 
    Oh c'mon, really?!?
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    That sounded nasty. Like it was right on the ankle bone. 
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Kris Bryant has had a bad last 2 years.  He was hurt last year but the year before he had some drops in production.

    You guys that follow the cubbies closely have any idea why?

    Hoping the Angels bring up some of their farm team this year.  Maitan I'm talking to you!
    I disagree on Bryant.  His 2017 season was as good if not better than his MVP campaign the year prior.  HR & RBI were down but he improved in practically every other offensive category over 2016.  Have to remember, too, that Maddon REFUSED to take Kyle Schwarber out of the leadoff spot until June despite batting .140 and striking out 30% of the time.  Kris can't drive empty bases in.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited March 2019
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Kris Bryant has had a bad last 2 years.  He was hurt last year but the year before he had some drops in production.

    You guys that follow the cubbies closely have any idea why?

    Hoping the Angels bring up some of their farm team this year.  Maitan I'm talking to you!
    I disagree on Bryant.  His 2017 season was as good if not better than his MVP campaign the year prior.  HR & RBI were down but he improved in practically every other offensive category over 2016.  Have to remember, too, that Maddon REFUSED to take Kyle Schwarber out of the leadoff spot until June despite batting .140 and striking out 30% of the time.  Kris can't drive empty bases in.
    HR and RBI were down, everything else looks about the same. Few more walks, few fewer SO. I’m not counting him out.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    HesCalledDyer said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Kris Bryant has had a bad last 2 years.  He was hurt last year but the year before he had some drops in production.

    You guys that follow the cubbies closely have any idea why?

    Hoping the Angels bring up some of their farm team this year.  Maitan I'm talking to you!
    I disagree on Bryant.  His 2017 season was as good if not better than his MVP campaign the year prior.  HR & RBI were down but he improved in practically every other offensive category over 2016.  Have to remember, too, that Maddon REFUSED to take Kyle Schwarber out of the leadoff spot until June despite batting .140 and striking out 30% of the time.  Kris can't drive empty bases in.
    His WAR would disagree with you.

    He went down in Runs, hits, HR, RBI and SB's.

    Slight uptick in avg, 2b, 3b, obp and walks.

  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    WAR isnt a stat.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    HesCalledDyer said:
    WAR isnt a stat.
    Didn't say it was ace.

    His WAR would disagree that his 2017 season was better than his 2016...
  • DewieCox
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    That sounded nasty. Like it was right on the ankle bone. 
    Oh geez, I hadn’t watched it yet. 96mph and it hit something hard and I doubt he even has a limp if it was part of his shoe that was hit.
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    He also struck out a lot less.  Clever wording, too.  "Slight uptick" to describe his improvements, but 10 runs (which could all be accounted for in HR differential), 14 hits, & 1 fewer SB are just "went down."  Also, I wouldn't really call 20 walks and a 24 point improvement in OBP as "slight" upticks.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    HesCalledDyer said:
    He also struck out a lot less.  Clever wording, too.  "Slight uptick" to describe his improvements, but 10 runs (which could all be accounted for in HR differential), 14 hits, & 1 fewer SB are just "went down."  Also, I wouldn't really call 20 walks and a 24 point improvement in OBP as "slight" upticks.
    Fair enough.  His OBP went up because his ab's went down and walks went up not because he struck out less.

    But anywho, if you use WAR as a tool he was a whole point lower his MVP year.  

    Last year his performance really suffered.  He did have almost 3/4 of the ab's in previous years but didn't put anything together.

    Is it because he was hurt last year?  People expect a huge comeback from him this year.

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