Russia's Influence On The American Election

my2hands said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8

Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections?  The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world.  Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets.   And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse.  Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...

Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.

You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally).  It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world.  Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power?  You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.

There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.  

But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.

There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear).  The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it.  I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.  

But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.

That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!! 

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8

Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections?  The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world.  Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets.   And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse.  Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...

Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.

You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally).  It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world.  Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power?  You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.

There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.  

But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.

There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear).  The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it.  I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.  

Yes, if he was involved then something would have to be done.  If he was, that would be treason, would it not?  And if it is treason, why have they left Trump in power?  I would think, efforts would be made to remove him.

Both the US and Russia abused their superpower status plenty since WW2...neither country is innocent and both countries have plenty of war criminals that will never be prosecuted because of their status as a superpowers.  

But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8

Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections?  The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world.  Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets.   And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse.  Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...

Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.

You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally).  It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world.  Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power?  You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.

There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.  

But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.

There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear).  The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it.  I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.  

But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.

That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!! 

Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8

Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections?  The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world.  Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets.   And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse.  Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...

Ummm america should still care no? Why wouldn’t they? You don’t have to. Lots of weird other points made here that don’t really go together.

You can not go on and on about Russia when your government is doing the same and usually worse (not you personally).  It's the game that the superpowers are partaking in...but by far the US has committed plenty of war crimes the past 60 + years in their need to control and bully the world.  Also if Trump has committed treasonous acts like some say, why he is still in power, if the team of lawyers investigating him have any evidence that trump or his campaign were traitors, then why is Trump still in power?  You mean those lawyers who are investigating him found evidence of treason and did not get him removed from power would make absolute 0 sense.

There are some Americans who seriously need to take a close in-depth look at their own country and the corruptness in both parties.  

But 2hands is right about one thing, this is entertainment gold to me.

There is a distinction though.. I don't blame Russia for trying it (although they are a gangster regime, let's be clear).  The important part is whether the Trump campaign was aware, complicit or conspired to be part of it.  I think you can admit that's a bridge too far.  

But I will never sympathize with US, Snowdon has enlightened people.

That's when Democrats and progressives loved Wikileaks!!! 

Fuck Snowden. He should be in prison.

$20 says you didn't say that in 2010 about Wikileaks

my2hands said:

The Juggler said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

my2hands said:

dignin said:

The Juggler said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

The Juggler said:

Report's not even out and people are already making declarations about what's in it. Ha.

Tell that to the mainstream media... I'm just reading between the lines 

If they had evidence of collusion or being compromised, it would have been out long ago and they would have taken him down... instead we have porn stars and whacky Roger Stone talking to Wikileaks... that's it from what I can tell, all the other indictments have nothing to do with Trump or the campaign, or am I missing something?

Well wacky Stone coordinating the release of stolen emails on behalf of the campaign is a criminal conspiracy.  The cyber theft is serious.  I don't know that Trump will be personally implicated since here doesn't use emails,  but members of his campaign would likely be,  including Stone.  You don't find that appalling and serious?

So that's your smoking gun? That's the result of a 2 year investigation? Roger f'ing Stone talking to Wikileaks is it?

If that's it, this is all a fail

Talking and coordinating are very different.  You are using verbs that deliberately downplay a criminal conspiracy.  Second,  you continue to ignore the multitude of crimes that have been prosecuted.   Third,  you are listening to talking heads that need something to discuss 24/7. How about letting it play out before you render judgment? That would be novel. 

I am not listening to any talking heads... I see headlines and I read between the lines... trust me, I dont waste my time listening to paid pundits who say anything to support their team

Ok... coordinating... if that's all you've got, it's a fail and wont effect Trump in the slightest 

I'm not ignoring the other prosecutions, they have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, collusion, or being compromised.... so yeah, they mean squat at the end of the day

If you read the actual articles instead of just the headlines, maybe you’d know more. Like how the Stormy Daniels issue is unrelated to the Russia investigation. 

Exactly. Someone's way out of their depth. They let the cat out of the bag when they bragged about how they ignore mainstream news.

And let's not forget Manafort was giving detailed polling data to Russian agents. Yeah, nothing to see here, all a giant fail. Let's pack up and go home.

I'm way out of my depth? You're an f'ing Canadian obsessed with American politics and have a Trump avatar... c'mon now poser, you don't really give AF, it's just entertainment to you... you don't add squat here, you just seem to follow me around and make wise ass comments in between nodding in agreement with the echo chamber

And you can use my name, no need to be a coward when you talk smack

Let me show you how to do it, nice and direct.... do you have a problem with me signing? If so, speak up 

That goes for almost ALL of you.... you turn into a bunch of pricks when someone dare not agree or go with the bullshit echo chamber in here... you gang up, you talk shit, and you literally circle that person and try to bully them... been watching it, tried to call you guys out on it,  but now it's time to not play so nice... and it's always the same clowns... here's my advice, get off my jock... 

Disagree with me respectfully, or keep it moving... otherwise I'm calling your ass out

I’m not buying what you’re selling, sale denied. Okay, say you’re right. So what?
 

He claims victory... is on the ballot in 2020 clean... and has a chance at re-election

All the eggs have been put into the Mueller basket, and it's just not going to resonate with the average voter... and will likely energize the GOP heading into the election... 

That's what

I disagree.  Pelosi never argued impeachment and has aggressively kept the caucus in line about it.  She remembers the 90s. Democrats won't run on Russia. They didn't at the midterms. The danger right now is the party being painted as too socialist.  That's a much graver concern than a weak Mueller report. 

She hasnt argued impeachment because they have nothing... which is my whole point I'm trying to make to the Muellerites in here 

They didnt run on Russia, because again, they have nothing to run with that on

I agree on the last part, far too many Americans think socialism is evil and dont realize we are almost there any damn way... I have the same concern.... but when the focus for 2 years has been Russia and the Mueller report, and it doesnt deliver, that's a huge fucking problem 

In one post, you say all their eggs are in the Russia basket. In another you admit they didn’t run on Russia (which is correct).


You are all over the map, fella. 

Was Trump on the ballot? Was the investigation completed? When it gets completed, if Trump isnt touched, you can expect a massive fucking victory lap by him that will.ladt through November 2020

You're one of the main cheerleaders in here going on and on and on about this report.... pretty sure you've also gleefully waited for impeachment as a result of this investigation..... so I think it's fair to say you personally have a lot of eggs in the Mueller basket, just like the rest of us.... and now you are even starting to hedge your bet on this, because you know my concerns just might be valid

Also........ you voted for W twice........ sooooo, yeah. Talk about being all over the map 🤣

Lerxst1992 said:

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Meltdown99 said:

America’s long history of meddling in other countries’ elections
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/americas-long-history-of-meddling-in-other-countries-elections?fbclid=IwAR11_88hHsrgZOpCMc0UxAGtNROu3NSox5QEd7qrDch7JizkTxcsUdLY8u8

Why should anyone care if the Russians meddled in US elections?  The US does nothing but meddle, interfere and bully the world.  Not to mention the sanctions imposed in Venezuela that I am sure has played a role in the near collapse of another country that apparently does not play ball like the rest of the American puppets.   And if you voted for W, then you supported a war criminal, if you voted twice for him, you knew he was a war criminal and there was no excuse.  Voting for W a 2nd time is far worse than voting for Trump...

The point is not that Russia meddled, as that has happened often in the past as you point out.

The point is that an American candidate publicly invited and encouraged them to attack an American citizen and commit felonies on American soil. 

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Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

Now you are traitor if you are an ex-pat living in Russia...LMFAO.

That’s not what I said but nice projection on your part. Resurrect the Snowden thread if you really want to get into it. Or start a new one.

Nope.  Snowdon fits in here perfectly.  But you can start a thread about how he is a traitor.  He is far from a traitor.  He let you in America know what your crooked government is doing, both democrats and republicans.  And you said he was traitor because of his address.  Not me.

How does Snowden fit in perfectly with, “Russia’s Influence on the American Election?”

He’s a traitor for violating the Espionage Act and fleeing to Moscow. There, feel better?