Hillary 2020
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Go away Hillary
I just lost a lot of respect for you right here brother...you should be ashamed!Halifax2TheMax said:Who the fuck is Walter Sobchak? I know, Google.0 -
Racists!mace1229 said:
I actually don't blame low black turnout on HiIlary. When you consider that black turnout was a record high only because of who was running the previous 2 elections. Unless there was another black nominee, black voter turnout was going to go down no matter what.my2hands said:She LOST the WHITE FEMALE VOTE... BLACK VOTER turnout PLUMMETED...and UNION HOUSEHOLD support absolutely CRATERED
but yeah, twitter LOL
wake up folks, that's directly on the candidate, not fucking Facebook posts... she will forever be known for losing to an absolute CLOWN... save your tears for Hillary, she can take a hike
Which is my I'm not certain Obama would have won if he was white, but ran the same compaign.0 -
Go away Hillary
Oh for the love of God... you think Trump voters are dumb, yet think memes telling people to vote by text targeted at Democrats helped swing the election?Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.
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Go away Hillary
So then people are dumb? People that believe that shit probably shouldn't be voting anyhow.Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Go away Hillary
And these guys say Republicans are dumb cleetus's lolcincybearcat said:
So then people are dumb? People that believe that shit probably shouldn't be voting anyhow.Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.0 -
Dumb people come in every size, shape, religious background, sexual orientation and yes, color.my2hands said:
Oh for the love of God... you think Trump voters are dumb, yet think memes telling people to vote by text targeted at Democrats helped swing the election?Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.
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So don’t discount the effectiveness of dirty tricks campaigns. Particularly by Putin on the ritz.cincybearcat said:
So then people are dumb? People that believe that shit probably shouldn't be voting anyhow.Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Go away HillaryRight... memes lead to
Trump winning white female voters over a white female candidate
National black voter turnout for the dems to drop 9%
And national union household support for the Democrat to completely crater in only 4 years
union household support for the Democrat in Ohio went from like +35% to -15% in 4 years because of memes?
Just stop, own the loss for what it was.0 -
And you just ignore the evidence and bury your head in the sand.my2hands said:Right... memes lead to
Trump winning white female voters over a white female candidate
National black voter turnout for the dems to drop 9%
And national union household support for the Democrat to completely crater in only 4 years
union household support for the Democrat in Ohio went from like +35% to -15% in 4 years because of memes?
Just stop, own the loss for what it was.0 -
The fact that some on here believe or think they remember thing about Clinton that aren’t actually true demonstrates that socisl media disinformation does work.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Go away Hillary
I might be all for dirty tricks that keep dumbasses from voting!Halifax2TheMax said:
So don’t discount the effectiveness of dirty tricks campaigns. Particularly by Putin on the ritz.cincybearcat said:
So then people are dumb? People that believe that shit probably shouldn't be voting anyhow.Halifax2TheMax said:People keep asking why the turnout among african americans dropped so much? Here's a reason:
House Democrats later released not only the ads but also their “targeting data”—the demographics and the geographic locations of users receiving them—which indicated to Jamieson “whom the Russians were going for.” Among other things, she could discern that the Russians had tried “to minimize the vote of African-Americans.” Bogus Kremlin-sponsored ads that had circulated online—including one depicting a black woman in front of an “african-americans for hillary” sign—had urged voters to tweet or text rather than vote, or to “avoid the line” and “vote from home.”
From the New Yorker article. The modern version of putting flyers on cars outsiode black chuches stating the election day has changed or the polling location is different.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Go away HillaryStill being obsessed with Hillary at this point is akin to being a necrophiliac. She's gone, move on and find someone with a pulse or just move on to Bernie.It's a hopeless situation...0
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Go away Hillary
For example?oftenreading said:The fact that some on here believe or think they remember thing about Clinton that aren’t actually true demonstrates that socisl media disinformation does work.0 -
Go away Hillary
Her comment of course!my2hands said:
For example?oftenreading said:The fact that some on here believe or think they remember thing about Clinton that aren’t actually true demonstrates that socisl media disinformation does work.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Go away Hillary
Sorry to jump off topic a little for a minute but the statement you made above (in bold) really strikes me. It is (for now) true. And why? Can we (as a democracy) change this? If not, why not? (I know, some of these questions are rhetorical in nature.)njnancy said:
She has had a hard time looking inward at her campaign and what could have made a difference.Ledbetterman10 said:
I agree that it's insane to hate her in the way that the morons that chant "lock her up" up Trump rallies do. They probably don't even know why they hate her other than the fact that Trump tells them too. It's basically the Two-Minutes Hate from 1984.njnancy said:
The hatred for her is disturbing, to say the least.
But what about hating her (eh, "hate" is a strong word; let's go with strongly disliking her) for allowing Donald Trump to become President? I mean, she did dismiss the notion of campaigning in swing-states that she thought she couldn't lose. And on the night before the election, she was having a big celebration in Philly while Trump was campaigning in Wilkes-Barre, PA and later that night, in Indiana. That's the thing: If I believed that she was totally screwed by Russian meddling, maybe I'd be sympathetic. But I think she should have won in spite of that. So when Trump does something awful, I tend to sometimes blame Hillary for it. OF COURSE Donald Trump is going to do and say horrible things. One person, the "most qualified candidate ever" could have prevented him from having the power to do that...but she failed...and she has herself to blame.
But of course, as we've seen, she blames everything and everyone except herself. She even went as far as to suggest that women that voted for Trump were forced to by the men in their lives. Gimme a break.
Trump wasn't so much campaigning as getting two last shots of the drug he loves the most before he figured it was all over. If Hillary had gone to those states more, I don't know if that would have made a difference. People in those states liked Obama fine, but they hated her. Why, I cannot answer that since I am not them.
The electoral college is our system and we have to live with it. But I hate that the Democrats have lost 2 recent elections even though they have won the popular vote. (Gore v Bush - and Gore was no stand up comic - he was just as boring and policy oriented as Hilary).
If she had won, no one would have cared where she spent the last day of the election. But she didn't so it's another reason to criticize her.
She made mistakes and she has herself to blame for them. But if I had lost an election with all of the factors that occured in the 2016 election - I might still be walking in the woods.
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She isnt running.
That is a really good question. It would have to be some sort of major law passed by Congress and I'm not sure if it could be started by requests or ballot initiatives in states. It is something that should be re-examined IMO to see if it is truly representing the country .brianlux said:
Sorry to jump off topic a little for a minute but the statement you made above (in bold) really strikes me. It is (for now) true. And why? Can we (as a democracy) change this? If not, why not? (I know, some of these questions are rhetorical in nature.)njnancy said:
She has had a hard time looking inward at her campaign and what could have made a difference.Ledbetterman10 said:
I agree that it's insane to hate her in the way that the morons that chant "lock her up" up Trump rallies do. They probably don't even know why they hate her other than the fact that Trump tells them too. It's basically the Two-Minutes Hate from 1984.njnancy said:
The hatred for her is disturbing, to say the least.
But what about hating her (eh, "hate" is a strong word; let's go with strongly disliking her) for allowing Donald Trump to become President? I mean, she did dismiss the notion of campaigning in swing-states that she thought she couldn't lose. And on the night before the election, she was having a big celebration in Philly while Trump was campaigning in Wilkes-Barre, PA and later that night, in Indiana. That's the thing: If I believed that she was totally screwed by Russian meddling, maybe I'd be sympathetic. But I think she should have won in spite of that. So when Trump does something awful, I tend to sometimes blame Hillary for it. OF COURSE Donald Trump is going to do and say horrible things. One person, the "most qualified candidate ever" could have prevented him from having the power to do that...but she failed...and she has herself to blame.
But of course, as we've seen, she blames everything and everyone except herself. She even went as far as to suggest that women that voted for Trump were forced to by the men in their lives. Gimme a break.
Trump wasn't so much campaigning as getting two last shots of the drug he loves the most before he figured it was all over. If Hillary had gone to those states more, I don't know if that would have made a difference. People in those states liked Obama fine, but they hated her. Why, I cannot answer that since I am not them.
The electoral college is our system and we have to live with it. But I hate that the Democrats have lost 2 recent elections even though they have won the popular vote. (Gore v Bush - and Gore was no stand up comic - he was just as boring and policy oriented as Hilary).
If she had won, no one would have cared where she spent the last day of the election. But she didn't so it's another reason to criticize her.
She made mistakes and she has herself to blame for them. But if I had lost an election with all of the factors that occured in the 2016 election - I might still be walking in the woods.
Every other election in the country is by popular vote, I have never been comfortable with the most important election NOT being the popular vote. It is representative of everyone in the country because everyone can vote so I don't know.
I would need to look into it more. I think, and I am not sure about this at all, that the electoral college began as a reaction to states with slaves, and slaves not being counted as a full person. But I need to do some investigating to see if that is a myth or not.
It would be hard, that I know. But I think we need something different, something between the two might be more palatable to the country as a whole. I will let you know what I uncover.0 -
Go away Hillarynjnancy said:
That is a really good question. It would have to be some sort of major law passed by Congress and I'm not sure if it could be started by requests or ballot initiatives in states. It is something that should be re-examined IMO to see if it is truly representing the country .brianlux said:
Sorry to jump off topic a little for a minute but the statement you made above (in bold) really strikes me. It is (for now) true. And why? Can we (as a democracy) change this? If not, why not? (I know, some of these questions are rhetorical in nature.)njnancy said:
She has had a hard time looking inward at her campaign and what could have made a difference.Ledbetterman10 said:
I agree that it's insane to hate her in the way that the morons that chant "lock her up" up Trump rallies do. They probably don't even know why they hate her other than the fact that Trump tells them too. It's basically the Two-Minutes Hate from 1984.njnancy said:
The hatred for her is disturbing, to say the least.
But what about hating her (eh, "hate" is a strong word; let's go with strongly disliking her) for allowing Donald Trump to become President? I mean, she did dismiss the notion of campaigning in swing-states that she thought she couldn't lose. And on the night before the election, she was having a big celebration in Philly while Trump was campaigning in Wilkes-Barre, PA and later that night, in Indiana. That's the thing: If I believed that she was totally screwed by Russian meddling, maybe I'd be sympathetic. But I think she should have won in spite of that. So when Trump does something awful, I tend to sometimes blame Hillary for it. OF COURSE Donald Trump is going to do and say horrible things. One person, the "most qualified candidate ever" could have prevented him from having the power to do that...but she failed...and she has herself to blame.
But of course, as we've seen, she blames everything and everyone except herself. She even went as far as to suggest that women that voted for Trump were forced to by the men in their lives. Gimme a break.
Trump wasn't so much campaigning as getting two last shots of the drug he loves the most before he figured it was all over. If Hillary had gone to those states more, I don't know if that would have made a difference. People in those states liked Obama fine, but they hated her. Why, I cannot answer that since I am not them.
The electoral college is our system and we have to live with it. But I hate that the Democrats have lost 2 recent elections even though they have won the popular vote. (Gore v Bush - and Gore was no stand up comic - he was just as boring and policy oriented as Hilary).
If she had won, no one would have cared where she spent the last day of the election. But she didn't so it's another reason to criticize her.
She made mistakes and she has herself to blame for them. But if I had lost an election with all of the factors that occured in the 2016 election - I might still be walking in the woods.
Every other election in the country is by popular vote, I have never been comfortable with the most important election NOT being the popular vote. It is representative of everyone in the country because everyone can vote so I don't know.
I would need to look into it more. I think, and I am not sure about this at all, that the electoral college began as a reaction to states with slaves, and slaves not being counted as a full person. But I need to do some investigating to see if that is a myth or not.
It would be hard, that I know. But I think we need something different, something between the two might be more palatable to the country as a whole. I will let you know what I uncover.The debate is hot and seemingly endless on this one. Those (like me) who believe the electoral college is outmoded believes that a direct popular vote treats all American's votes equally, no matter where they live. That makes sense to me.The more conservative view seems to think the electoral college insures that we will have political equality spread across the vast nation... or some such rhetorical bullshit. Personally, I never bought it. Trump is proof of the fact that the electoral college did not create political equality. It created a disaster. Obviously I'm not a Hillary fan, but compared to Trump, she's an angel.
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Go away Hillary
Brian - this made me laugh.brianlux said:njnancy said:
That is a really good question. It would have to be some sort of major law passed by Congress and I'm not sure if it could be started by requests or ballot initiatives in states. It is something that should be re-examined IMO to see if it is truly representing the country .brianlux said:
Sorry to jump off topic a little for a minute but the statement you made above (in bold) really strikes me. It is (for now) true. And why? Can we (as a democracy) change this? If not, why not? (I know, some of these questions are rhetorical in nature.)njnancy said:
She has had a hard time looking inward at her campaign and what could have made a difference.Ledbetterman10 said:
I agree that it's insane to hate her in the way that the morons that chant "lock her up" up Trump rallies do. They probably don't even know why they hate her other than the fact that Trump tells them too. It's basically the Two-Minutes Hate from 1984.njnancy said:
The hatred for her is disturbing, to say the least.
But what about hating her (eh, "hate" is a strong word; let's go with strongly disliking her) for allowing Donald Trump to become President? I mean, she did dismiss the notion of campaigning in swing-states that she thought she couldn't lose. And on the night before the election, she was having a big celebration in Philly while Trump was campaigning in Wilkes-Barre, PA and later that night, in Indiana. That's the thing: If I believed that she was totally screwed by Russian meddling, maybe I'd be sympathetic. But I think she should have won in spite of that. So when Trump does something awful, I tend to sometimes blame Hillary for it. OF COURSE Donald Trump is going to do and say horrible things. One person, the "most qualified candidate ever" could have prevented him from having the power to do that...but she failed...and she has herself to blame.
But of course, as we've seen, she blames everything and everyone except herself. She even went as far as to suggest that women that voted for Trump were forced to by the men in their lives. Gimme a break.
Trump wasn't so much campaigning as getting two last shots of the drug he loves the most before he figured it was all over. If Hillary had gone to those states more, I don't know if that would have made a difference. People in those states liked Obama fine, but they hated her. Why, I cannot answer that since I am not them.
The electoral college is our system and we have to live with it. But I hate that the Democrats have lost 2 recent elections even though they have won the popular vote. (Gore v Bush - and Gore was no stand up comic - he was just as boring and policy oriented as Hilary).
If she had won, no one would have cared where she spent the last day of the election. But she didn't so it's another reason to criticize her.
She made mistakes and she has herself to blame for them. But if I had lost an election with all of the factors that occured in the 2016 election - I might still be walking in the woods.
Every other election in the country is by popular vote, I have never been comfortable with the most important election NOT being the popular vote. It is representative of everyone in the country because everyone can vote so I don't know.
I would need to look into it more. I think, and I am not sure about this at all, that the electoral college began as a reaction to states with slaves, and slaves not being counted as a full person. But I need to do some investigating to see if that is a myth or not.
It would be hard, that I know. But I think we need something different, something between the two might be more palatable to the country as a whole. I will let you know what I uncover.The debate is hot and seemingly endless on this one. Those (like me) who believe the electoral college is outmoded believes that a direct popular vote treats all American's votes equally, no matter where they live. That makes sense to me.The more conservative view seems to think the electoral college insures that we will have political equality spread across the vast nation... or some such rhetorical bullshit. Personally, I never bought it. Trump is proof of the fact that the electoral college did not create political equality. It created a disaster. Obviously I'm not a Hillary fan, but compared to Trump, she's an angel.
1) What I think is awesome
2) What others think is rhetorical bullshit!
It is a big, diverse nation. I'm unsure if the electoral college is the best system, but surely it's better than a few cities picking leaders for the entire country. Cause just like those darn country bumkins don't understand the city folk....those city folk certainly don't understand the huge plot of land between Philadelphia and LA. Except for maybe a few small spots like Chicago, Houston, Denver and Las Vegas!
So I think an electoral college of some sorts is kinda important or you completely remove a vast part of your nation from the political process. I mean - why is it that the senate is the more respected house of congress? Equal representation requires compromise and more level headed thinking...in general.
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Go away Hillary
It’s really a pretty easy concept to understand if you are not butthurt about Hillary losing. It represents people across cultures and states instead of certain highly concentrated regions over representing. I agree, it has its caveats, but regions around the country have different needs and concerns than New York City or LA. Let’s say 75 % of the US population lived in TX, for an extreme example. Would you want that region having 75% of the US vote?cincybearcat said:
Brian - this made me laugh.brianlux said:njnancy said:
That is a really good question. It would have to be some sort of major law passed by Congress and I'm not sure if it could be started by requests or ballot initiatives in states. It is something that should be re-examined IMO to see if it is truly representing the country .brianlux said:
Sorry to jump off topic a little for a minute but the statement you made above (in bold) really strikes me. It is (for now) true. And why? Can we (as a democracy) change this? If not, why not? (I know, some of these questions are rhetorical in nature.)njnancy said:
She has had a hard time looking inward at her campaign and what could have made a difference.Ledbetterman10 said:
I agree that it's insane to hate her in the way that the morons that chant "lock her up" up Trump rallies do. They probably don't even know why they hate her other than the fact that Trump tells them too. It's basically the Two-Minutes Hate from 1984.njnancy said:
The hatred for her is disturbing, to say the least.
But what about hating her (eh, "hate" is a strong word; let's go with strongly disliking her) for allowing Donald Trump to become President? I mean, she did dismiss the notion of campaigning in swing-states that she thought she couldn't lose. And on the night before the election, she was having a big celebration in Philly while Trump was campaigning in Wilkes-Barre, PA and later that night, in Indiana. That's the thing: If I believed that she was totally screwed by Russian meddling, maybe I'd be sympathetic. But I think she should have won in spite of that. So when Trump does something awful, I tend to sometimes blame Hillary for it. OF COURSE Donald Trump is going to do and say horrible things. One person, the "most qualified candidate ever" could have prevented him from having the power to do that...but she failed...and she has herself to blame.
But of course, as we've seen, she blames everything and everyone except herself. She even went as far as to suggest that women that voted for Trump were forced to by the men in their lives. Gimme a break.
Trump wasn't so much campaigning as getting two last shots of the drug he loves the most before he figured it was all over. If Hillary had gone to those states more, I don't know if that would have made a difference. People in those states liked Obama fine, but they hated her. Why, I cannot answer that since I am not them.
The electoral college is our system and we have to live with it. But I hate that the Democrats have lost 2 recent elections even though they have won the popular vote. (Gore v Bush - and Gore was no stand up comic - he was just as boring and policy oriented as Hilary).
If she had won, no one would have cared where she spent the last day of the election. But she didn't so it's another reason to criticize her.
She made mistakes and she has herself to blame for them. But if I had lost an election with all of the factors that occured in the 2016 election - I might still be walking in the woods.
Every other election in the country is by popular vote, I have never been comfortable with the most important election NOT being the popular vote. It is representative of everyone in the country because everyone can vote so I don't know.
I would need to look into it more. I think, and I am not sure about this at all, that the electoral college began as a reaction to states with slaves, and slaves not being counted as a full person. But I need to do some investigating to see if that is a myth or not.
It would be hard, that I know. But I think we need something different, something between the two might be more palatable to the country as a whole. I will let you know what I uncover.The debate is hot and seemingly endless on this one. Those (like me) who believe the electoral college is outmoded believes that a direct popular vote treats all American's votes equally, no matter where they live. That makes sense to me.The more conservative view seems to think the electoral college insures that we will have political equality spread across the vast nation... or some such rhetorical bullshit. Personally, I never bought it. Trump is proof of the fact that the electoral college did not create political equality. It created a disaster. Obviously I'm not a Hillary fan, but compared to Trump, she's an angel.
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It is a big, diverse nation. I'm unsure if the electoral college is the best system, but surely it's better than a few cities picking leaders for the entire country. Cause just like those darn country bumkins don't understand the city folk....those city folk certainly don't understand the huge plot of land between Philadelphia and LA. Except for maybe a few small spots like Chicago, Houston, Denver and Las Vegas!
So I think an electoral college of some sorts is kinda important or you completely remove a vast part of your nation from the political process. I mean - why is it that the senate is the more respected house of congress? Equal representation requires compromise and more level headed thinking...in general.
No, but if it were CA, everyone is fine with it...?Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
She isnt running.i read a headline quickly but didn't click the link yesterday saying hillary was expected to announce her 2020 run. was this a joke? i can't find any info on it now.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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