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And you just got Giolito. The Sox landed the #1 position prospect and #1 pitching prospect on the same day!Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250
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Finally something to be excited about. Sox have a top 10 farm system in the matter of 2 days...should be ranked even higher after Hahn is done making deals.chiwhitesox said:Yes! There is hope!
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Just give Harper a blank check and let him fill out the amount.0
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Going back 2 years, who was their "can't miss" blue chips? Besides Moancada I can't remember who else?Indifference71 said:Yes! There is hope!
Finally something to be excited about. Sox have a top 10 farm system in the matter of 2 days...should be ranked even higher after Hahn is done making deals.
Moancada has not lived up to expectations...0 -
Eloy Jimenez and Kopech are the other 2 top guys. Jimenez will be up in the big leagues making a difference real soon....the guy is a beast and has torn it up everywhere he has been. Unfortunately Kopech had TJ surgery and is out until 2020....only 22 years old and looked pretty damn good in his limited starts last year.tempo_n_groove said:
Going back 2 years, who was their "can't miss" blue chips? Besides Moancada I can't remember who else?Indifference71 said:Yes! There is hope!
Finally something to be excited about. Sox have a top 10 farm system in the matter of 2 days...should be ranked even higher after Hahn is done making deals.
Moancada has not lived up to expectations...
But yeah, Moncada has been disappointing so far. Still so young though...only 23 so not ready to give up on him yet.Post edited by Indifference71 on0 -
What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.0 -
I have long thought Kenny Williams is a joke, but I don't understand how he can act shocked at this. You offer a contract that could have a value of $350 mil, but you're that worried about the last few years so much that you won't get up to $300 to get a player like this. Meet in the middle for fucks sake. And no opt out because the organization doesn't believe in them. Okay buddy, good luck getting any free agent. The guy is going to go for the most money guaranteed. $300 mil for 10 years would have been a lower AAV but more money promised. What is so difficult about that?Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
I mean, I am annoyed at the Yankees for passing on a player like this with their window to win now and the fact he fits a need, but at least they didn't fake it. I mean, maybe the White Sox didn't fake it and actually thought this was going to get it done which might be worse.0 -
Cliffy6745 said:
I have long thought Kenny Williams is a joke, but I don't understand how he can act shocked at this. You offer a contract that could have a value of $350 mil, but you're that worried about the last few years so much that you won't get up to $300 to get a player like this. Meet in the middle for fucks sake. And no opt out because the organization doesn't believe in them. Okay buddy, good luck getting any free agent. The guy is going to go for the most money guaranteed. $300 mil for 10 years would have been a lower AAV but more money promised. What is so difficult about that?Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
I mean, I am annoyed at the Yankees for passing on a player like this with their window to win now and the fact he fits a need, but at least they didn't fake it. I mean, maybe the White Sox didn't fake it and actually thought this was going to get it done which might be worse.
I know man. It's fucking crazy. I'm not a big fan of Kenny but I think most of this comes from Reinsdorf.....he's so cheap and has such an old school mentality. I'm sure Rick Hahn wanted to give him 300M for 10 years and get it done. They knew exactly what it would take to 100% get it done but they get too fucking cute with the contract with these options at the end. It's really mind-boggling. The Sox are lucky that he was even considering them.....they're not exactly the most attractive destination.0 -
That's fair and agreed. They definitely called them and gave them the number, so just do it. But yeah...Indifference71 said:Cliffy6745 said:
I have long thought Kenny Williams is a joke, but I don't understand how he can act shocked at this. You offer a contract that could have a value of $350 mil, but you're that worried about the last few years so much that you won't get up to $300 to get a player like this. Meet in the middle for fucks sake. And no opt out because the organization doesn't believe in them. Okay buddy, good luck getting any free agent. The guy is going to go for the most money guaranteed. $300 mil for 10 years would have been a lower AAV but more money promised. What is so difficult about that?Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
I mean, I am annoyed at the Yankees for passing on a player like this with their window to win now and the fact he fits a need, but at least they didn't fake it. I mean, maybe the White Sox didn't fake it and actually thought this was going to get it done which might be worse.
I know man. It's fucking crazy. I'm not a big fan of Kenny but I think most of this comes from Reinsdorf.....he's so cheap and has such an old school mentality. I'm sure Rick Hahn wanted to give him 300M for 10 years and get it done. They knew exactly what it would take to 100% get it done but they get too fucking cute with the contract with these options at the end. It's really mind-boggling. The Sox are lucky that he was even considering them.....they're not exactly the most attractive destination.0 -
I read on twitter that the White Sox largest contract ever is $68million? Also read the offer to Machado was 8/250 with incentives up to an add’l 100mill. So basically in the end he chose guaranteed money over being incentivized.
I know which offer I’d choose and that’s work harder and make more in less time.
As a Cubs fan, I was really hoping we’d get rid of Russell and go after Manny. Once that was off the table I was lowkey pulling for him to end up on the South Side. I expect the Sox to be competitive very soon and it would’ve been great to heat up the rivalry over the next few years!Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
There are two guys you should look at in Madrigal and Luis Robert. Robert did really good in the fall league so there is talk about him.Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
Give it another year or two and if they continue the way they have been you will be happy, but you are waiting for it.0 -
Yep. $68M is what they gave Abreu when they first signed him and that was for 6 years!!! Such a joke of an organization. This has turned into a situation like old man Wirtz with the Blackhawks....nothing is going to change until Reinsdorf is gone.HesCalledDyer said:I read on twitter that the White Sox largest contract ever is $68million? Also read the offer to Machado was 8/250 with incentives up to an add’l 100mill. So basically in the end he chose guaranteed money over being incentivized.
I know which offer I’d choose and that’s work harder and make more in less time.
As a Cubs fan, I was really hoping we’d get rid of Russell and go after Manny. Once that was off the table I was lowkey pulling for him to end up on the South Side. I expect the Sox to be competitive very soon and it would’ve been great to heat up the rivalry over the next few years!0 -
I'm well aware of Madrigal and Robert. And Cease and Basabe and Adolfo and all these guys in the minors. But with Moncada and Giolito looking like complete busts so far it's just hard to feel good about anything with this team right now. They've proven over and over again that they aren't willing to spend money on elite talent...so frustrating.tempo_n_groove said:
There are two guys you should look at in Madrigal and Luis Robert. Robert did really good in the fall league so there is talk about him.Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
Give it another year or two and if they continue the way they have been you will be happy, but you are waiting for it.0 -
Ol’ Dollar Bill has to be the biggest cheapskate owner in the history of American professional sports. I hope it doesn’t get to the point that Jerry is selling off your World Series banner for personal income!Indifference71 said:
Yep. $68M is what they gave Abreu when they first signed him and that was for 6 years!!! Such a joke of an organization. This has turned into a situation like old man Wirtz with the Blackhawks....nothing is going to change until Reinsdorf is gone.HesCalledDyer said:I read on twitter that the White Sox largest contract ever is $68million? Also read the offer to Machado was 8/250 with incentives up to an add’l 100mill. So basically in the end he chose guaranteed money over being incentivized.
I know which offer I’d choose and that’s work harder and make more in less time.
As a Cubs fan, I was really hoping we’d get rid of Russell and go after Manny. Once that was off the table I was lowkey pulling for him to end up on the South Side. I expect the Sox to be competitive very soon and it would’ve been great to heat up the rivalry over the next few years!Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 250 -
I would agree with Sale trade.Indifference71 said:
I'm well aware of Madrigal and Robert. And Cease and Basabe and Adolfo and all these guys in the minors. But with Moncada and Giolito looking like complete busts so far it's just hard to feel good about anything with this team right now. They've proven over and over again that they aren't willing to spend money on elite talent...so frustrating.tempo_n_groove said:
There are two guys you should look at in Madrigal and Luis Robert. Robert did really good in the fall league so there is talk about him.Indifference71 said:What an absolute disaster. They had a chance to sign a 26 year old elite talent and once again Reinsdorf proved too cheap to get it done. Offer him 10 years and 300M 2 months ago and they could have had him. But instead they fuck around with option years at the end of the contract...absolutely absurd. Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams and Hahn are all delusional if they really thought that deal was going to work. They knew what would get it done and they chose to get too cute with the contract.
Besides Eloy Jimenez, this whole rebuild has been a bust so far. Giolito and Moncada were both horrible last year and Kopech is out all of this year. Not much to be excited about right now except Eloy. Going to be another year of an empty stadium with an absolute garbage lineup. Such a joke.
And Reinsdorf is a horrible owner. The only sustained success either of his teams have had is because of Michael Jordan....nothing to do with him. As great as 2005 was for the Sox, it's clear that it was a fluke as they have never been consistent contenders since he has owned the team. Cannot wait until he is gone.
Give it another year or two and if they continue the way they have been you will be happy, but you are waiting for it.
I'm still waiting for the Angels to do something.
They have the best player in baseball and can't do shit...0 -
First place White Sox?!? This lineup is dangerous. Robert is an absolute freak....has lived up to the hype and then some so far. Starting pitching is a bit of a concern after Giolito and Keuchel. Just nice to watch meaningful baseball games again....has been far too long for this team.
Funny to read my rants from 18 months ago about this team....things sure have changed.0 -
Not much action on this thread. Looks like Eloy is back....funny how he always kills the Cubs. And now Robert is coming back tonight. Grandal back soon and this team is looking damn good for the playoffs.0
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Eloy is a great talent and it pains me to watch both he and Cease dominate the Cubs last night. Someone got the better end of that trade. The Sox have the pieces in place to contend it looks like.
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I can't believe they seem to be cool with Fossil the Drunkard running the team. My predictions are very wrong thus far.Totally rooting for them in the AL, despite my feelings about LaRedass.The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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