A quarter of all kindergartners in Washington county aren’t immunized. Now there’s a measles crisis

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    Why, because they choose to live differently or because you're superior based on a decision you didn't make for yourself when you were a kid? A lot of actual stupid people in this world, but I don't know that I'd call an antivaxxer one. They are fully aware of their choice(s).

    In short, here on the AMT:

    Antivaxxers = stupid
    Trumpers = stupid and toothless
    Gun Owners = responsible until they're not
    Practicing a Religion = stupid

    There isn't a damn measles crisis. We had a measles "crisis" in MN a year or 2 ago. About 75 cases were reported. How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    tbergs said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    Why, because they choose to live differently or because you're superior based on a decision you didn't make for yourself when you were a kid? A lot of actual stupid people in this world, but I don't know that I'd call an antivaxxer one. They are fully aware of their choice(s).

    In short, here on the AMT:

    Antivaxxers = stupid
    Trumpers = stupid and toothless
    Gun Owners = responsible until they're not
    Practicing a Religion = stupid

    There isn't a damn measles crisis. We had a measles "crisis" in MN a year or 2 ago. About 75 cases were reported. How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    It seems like (judging from your ‘short’ section) you’ve learned something on the MT!

    Time well spent.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    tbergs said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    Why, because they choose to live differently or because you're superior based on a decision you didn't make for yourself when you were a kid? A lot of actual stupid people in this world, but I don't know that I'd call an antivaxxer one. They are fully aware of their choice(s).

    In short, here on the AMT:

    Antivaxxers = stupid
    Trumpers = stupid and toothless
    Gun Owners = responsible until they're not
    Practicing a Religion = stupid

    There isn't a damn measles crisis. We had a measles "crisis" in MN a year or 2 ago. About 75 cases were reported. How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    Which makes them stupid, not ignorant.  Fully informed bad decisions are stupid.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    This thread reminds me that I need to get the new Shingrix shingles vaccine.  Thank you AMT.  I don't need no stinkin' shingles!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    This thread reminds me that I need to get the new Shingrix shingles vaccine.  Thank you AMT.  I don't need no stinkin' shingles!
    I hear they are painful.  Good idea, I think I will get that vaccine.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    There's a nationwide shortage for that.  I've been on "the list" for a month now, just waiting to be called.  The photos alone are frightening, let alone the incredible pain I've heard it causes.

    Other than a few basic vaccinations as a kid, I never had any more until I became ill last year.  Now I not only see and embrace that side, but I'm more than thankful to have barriers against some things that could further fuck with my health.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    This thread reminds me that I need to get the new Shingrix shingles vaccine.  Thank you AMT.  I don't need no stinkin' shingles!
    I hear they are painful.  Good idea, I think I will get that vaccine.
    My Pop had shingles.  It was nasty!  Definitely don't want to go there!

    hedonist said:
    There's a nationwide shortage for that.  I've been on "the list" for a month now, just waiting to be called.  The photos alone are frightening, let alone the incredible pain I've heard it causes.

    Other than a few basic vaccinations as a kid, I never had any more until I became ill last year.  Now I not only see and embrace that side, but I'm more than thankful to have barriers against some things that could further fuck with my health.
    Yeah, I forgot that.  I'll have to get back in queue.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mookieblalock
    mookieblalock Posts: 3,571
    tbergs said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    This guy isn’t interested in a cure for cancer. If you’re meant to die, you will die.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    mookieblalock said:
    tbergs said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    This guy isn’t interested in a cure for cancer. If you’re meant to die, you will die.
    A lot of truth to that, but at least the in-between is mine ;) We all have options and will decide what to do with them. Each plays the part on both the world and the human race's existence. 


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    oftenreading said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Not a ringing endorsement for Libertarianism  
    It is a ringing endorsement for Darwinism though.

    I'll play devil's advocate here. 

    The number of vaccines is out of control.  Human bodies were not meant to be assaulted like this during the first 24 months.  It's traumatizing to infants, physically and emotionally.  It's also being driven by big pharma lobbying.  Any idea how much money is made vaccinating entire populations?  (it's a lot)

    The anti-vaxxer movement is a knee-jerk overkill reaction to all of this.  There are way too many vaccines, but they shouldn't be eliminated entirely. 




    First, that chart isn't completely accurate, particularly regarding the influenza vaccination, which is recommended yearly, not every six months.

    Second, on what scientific basis do you say that the current schedule is "out of control" or excessive? Simply having more vaccines than 35 years ago isn't a reason; maybe the schedule in 1983 was too little. Which ones would you say are unnecessary?

    There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. Everything an infant is exposed to from the time it's born is a new foreign antigen, and bodies deal with that very well. The immune system could handle far more immunization than the current schedule. 
    CDC recommends 2 flu vaccines per year until 8 years old : https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxadmin.htm

    What out of control or excessive might look like : 



    "There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. "

    This statement represents a big fucking problem with US Health Care.  Here we have to prove something is dangerous for public consumption.  Most other Developed Industrialized Nations require companies a product is safe for public consumption.  There's a lot of daylight between those standards.  

    The human body is capable of enduring all sorts of trauma.  You hear about people who are on the autism spectrum, borderline personality disorders, or mild ADD.  Sometimes a traumatic event such as a head injury, severe illness, death of a loved one, etc is enough to push a person from borderline to certified diagnosed.  Now take 36 shots and give them all to 325 million Americans who live all across the mental and health spectrum. 

    I am not an anti-vaxxer.  I do not think we have adequately weighed the cost-benefit analysis when we give twice as many shots as the average and have a terrible infant mortality rate.  

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    CM189191 said:
    oftenreading said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Not a ringing endorsement for Libertarianism  
    It is a ringing endorsement for Darwinism though.

    I'll play devil's advocate here. 

    The number of vaccines is out of control.  Human bodies were not meant to be assaulted like this during the first 24 months.  It's traumatizing to infants, physically and emotionally.  It's also being driven by big pharma lobbying.  Any idea how much money is made vaccinating entire populations?  (it's a lot)

    The anti-vaxxer movement is a knee-jerk overkill reaction to all of this.  There are way too many vaccines, but they shouldn't be eliminated entirely. 




    First, that chart isn't completely accurate, particularly regarding the influenza vaccination, which is recommended yearly, not every six months.

    Second, on what scientific basis do you say that the current schedule is "out of control" or excessive? Simply having more vaccines than 35 years ago isn't a reason; maybe the schedule in 1983 was too little. Which ones would you say are unnecessary?

    There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. Everything an infant is exposed to from the time it's born is a new foreign antigen, and bodies deal with that very well. The immune system could handle far more immunization than the current schedule. 
    CDC recommends 2 flu vaccines per year until 8 years old : https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxadmin.htm

    What out of control or excessive might look like : 



    "There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. "

    This statement represents a big fucking problem with US Health Care.  Here we have to prove something is dangerous for public consumption.  Most other Developed Industrialized Nations require companies a product is safe for public consumption.  There's a lot of daylight between those standards.  

    The human body is capable of enduring all sorts of trauma.  You hear about people who are on the autism spectrum, borderline personality disorders, or mild ADD.  Sometimes a traumatic event such as a head injury, severe illness, death of a loved one, etc is enough to push a person from borderline to certified diagnosed.  Now take 36 shots and give them all to 325 million Americans who live all across the mental and health spectrum. 

    I am not an anti-vaxxer.  I do not think we have adequately weighed the cost-benefit analysis when we give twice as many shots as the average and have a terrible infant mortality rate.  

    What does the “infant mortality rate” include for causes of death? All causes or just those things for which they were immunized for? Further, wouldn’t you have to know total number of immunizations for a certain affliction, measles say, and then the number of corresponding deaths of those immunized for same? You can’t lump them all together and determine efficacy. How many children under 5 die from gun violence in Iceland and are they part of the score?
     
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,242
    Smellyman said:
    USA, where people believe fake science and fake news. (the actual fake news Fox, Breirbart, infowars and qnon bullshit)

    Wonder what percentage of kids not vaccinated have parents who are also flat earthers?
    Here in Austin it’s the super liberal parents who don’t vaccinate- at least that’s my pediatrician’s explanation. The real crunchy types, she said. It’s ridiculous and my baby is in daycare with kids who haven’t been vaccinated.  Drives me bonkers.  
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    CM189191 said:
    oftenreading said:
    CM189191 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Not a ringing endorsement for Libertarianism  
    It is a ringing endorsement for Darwinism though.

    I'll play devil's advocate here. 

    The number of vaccines is out of control.  Human bodies were not meant to be assaulted like this during the first 24 months.  It's traumatizing to infants, physically and emotionally.  It's also being driven by big pharma lobbying.  Any idea how much money is made vaccinating entire populations?  (it's a lot)

    The anti-vaxxer movement is a knee-jerk overkill reaction to all of this.  There are way too many vaccines, but they shouldn't be eliminated entirely. 




    First, that chart isn't completely accurate, particularly regarding the influenza vaccination, which is recommended yearly, not every six months.

    Second, on what scientific basis do you say that the current schedule is "out of control" or excessive? Simply having more vaccines than 35 years ago isn't a reason; maybe the schedule in 1983 was too little. Which ones would you say are unnecessary?

    There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. Everything an infant is exposed to from the time it's born is a new foreign antigen, and bodies deal with that very well. The immune system could handle far more immunization than the current schedule. 
    CDC recommends 2 flu vaccines per year until 8 years old : https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxadmin.htm

    What out of control or excessive might look like : 



    "There's no scientific basis to a claim that human bodies can't deal with this level of immunization. "

    This statement represents a big fucking problem with US Health Care.  Here we have to prove something is dangerous for public consumption.  Most other Developed Industrialized Nations require companies a product is safe for public consumption.  There's a lot of daylight between those standards.  

    The human body is capable of enduring all sorts of trauma.  You hear about people who are on the autism spectrum, borderline personality disorders, or mild ADD.  Sometimes a traumatic event such as a head injury, severe illness, death of a loved one, etc is enough to push a person from borderline to certified diagnosed.  Now take 36 shots and give them all to 325 million Americans who live all across the mental and health spectrum. 

    I am not an anti-vaxxer.  I do not think we have adequately weighed the cost-benefit analysis when we give twice as many shots as the average and have a terrible infant mortality rate.  


    No, you're misrepresenting the available data on safety and efficacy.

    And your infant mortality rate has little, if anything, to do with the presence of vaccinations and much to do with generally abysmal prenatal and postnatal care which is tied to the for-profit health insurance system, and lack of supports and education for new parents.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,422
    I love this white house. Always gives me something to laugh about and someone to laugh at.
    But still it's  sad that people believe this ignorant shite.......

    Wife of White House communications director pushes false anti-vaccination claims https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/13/politics/darla-shine-measles-anti-vaccination/index.html
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tbergs said:
    mookieblalock said:
    tbergs said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    Stupid antivaxxers. 
    How many billios of people live on the planet again? It'll all be ok. It's a great chance for pharma to push people to get even more vaccinations, even if you aren't at risk. :money:

    This guy isn’t interested in a cure for cancer. If you’re meant to die, you will die.
    A lot of truth to that, but at least the in-between is mine ;) We all have options and will decide what to do with them. Each plays the part on both the world and the human race's existence. 


    pretty safe bet your opinion would change if you had a loved one you call "weak". 

    getting a disease is not a "weakness". my daughter was stronger at 6 years old than most grown men. no bullshit. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    and same with my mom. polio at 4 years old (so one leg is basically an ornament). MS for the past 30. she's also one of the toughest hombres I have ever known. 

    "weak". fuck that. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and same with my mom. polio at 4 years old (so one leg is basically an ornament). MS for the past 30. she's also one of the toughest hombres I have ever known. 

    "weak". fuck that. 
    That's terrible.  Sorry to hear that your Mom had to deal with that.  My Mom, RIP, could not tolerate those anti-vaxxers because she remembers 1st hand what polio was like.  And she always said if people saw 1st hand their opinion would change.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Meltdown99 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and same with my mom. polio at 4 years old (so one leg is basically an ornament). MS for the past 30. she's also one of the toughest hombres I have ever known. 

    "weak". fuck that. 
    That's terrible.  Sorry to hear that your Mom had to deal with that.  My Mom, RIP, could not tolerate those anti-vaxxers because she remembers 1st hand what polio was like.  And she always said if people saw 1st hand their opinion would change.
    my mom got it in her leg, her sister got it in her back. luckily, my aunt's went away on its own. no such luck for my mom. but she's a trooper. always a smile no matter what. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Meltdown99 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    and same with my mom. polio at 4 years old (so one leg is basically an ornament). MS for the past 30. she's also one of the toughest hombres I have ever known. 

    "weak". fuck that. 
    That's terrible.  Sorry to hear that your Mom had to deal with that.  My Mom, RIP, could not tolerate those anti-vaxxers because she remembers 1st hand what polio was like.  And she always said if people saw 1st hand their opinion would change.

    Exactly. Those who minimize the dangers of infectious diseases are those that were lucky enough not to live during the centuries where the average family lost at least one child to these diseases.
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