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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,046
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Most other banks will fall in line with paygrades is the definition of collusion no?
    no.   payrolls are not unlimited. is this a difficult concept?  heck even your yankees understand this to a point.


    Never even mildly insinuated so. However with revenue what it is, there is a lot of room to grow. Yankees revenue is up, and payroll is generally down (though higher than last year). Bet you’re pumped Hal has that extra money
    even the Yanks have a payroll limit which just proves my point.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Most other banks will fall in line with paygrades is the definition of collusion no?
    no.   payrolls are not unlimited. is this a difficult concept?  heck even your yankees understand this to a point.


    Never even mildly insinuated so. However with revenue what it is, there is a lot of room to grow. Yankees revenue is up, and payroll is generally down (though higher than last year). Bet you’re pumped Hal has that extra money
    even the Yanks have a payroll limit which just proves my point.
    Nothing proves your point. It’s a self imposed limit to keep more money for themselves. You have no point. You never do


  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    My point: baseball revenue is up so teams should be willing to give lots of money to the best players in the game, especially when they’re young.

    Your point: owners making more money and not spending on payroll, keeping the higher revenues for themselves rather than investing in the product is good
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,046
    edited February 2019
    Cliffy6745 said:
    My point: baseball revenue is up so teams should be willing to give lots of money to the best players in the game, especially when they’re young.

    Your point: owners making more money and not spending on payroll, keeping the higher revenues for themselves rather than investing in the product is good
    huh? i never said the owners were keeping the money for themselves. my original point was that the two asshole agents are holding up teams from signing other players. the agents and players themselves are blaming the owners for guys not being signed. it's not the owners fault. how the fuck can the Phillies figure out their payroll for the season (a season that pre-season is now starting) until they know if either of these guys will sign? again it's not unlimited payrolls for these teams.  and there is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold. 

    are you suggesting it's the owners fault that Harper and Machado aren't signed yet?  you can't possibly think that...
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    edited February 2019
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    My point: baseball revenue is up so teams should be willing to give lots of money to the best players in the game, especially when they’re young.

    Your point: owners making more money and not spending on payroll, keeping the higher revenues for themselves rather than investing in the product is good
    huh? i never said the owners were keeping the money for themselves. my original point was that the two asshole agents are holding up teams from signing other players. the agents and players themselves are blaming the owners for guys not being signed. it's not the owners fault. how the fuck can the Phillies figure out their payroll for the season (a season that pre-season is now starting) until they know if either of these guys will sign? again it's not unlimited payrolls for these teams.  and there is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold. 

    are you suggesting it's the owners fault that Harper and Machado aren't signed yet?  you can't possibly think that...
    If revenue is going up and payrolls aren’t, where is the money going? Charity?

    Lol what? There is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold?! Might want to look that one up again. 

    Of course it is. We don’t know the offers but they are clearly not in the range they find acceptable 
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,046
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    My point: baseball revenue is up so teams should be willing to give lots of money to the best players in the game, especially when they’re young.

    Your point: owners making more money and not spending on payroll, keeping the higher revenues for themselves rather than investing in the product is good
    huh? i never said the owners were keeping the money for themselves. my original point was that the two asshole agents are holding up teams from signing other players. the agents and players themselves are blaming the owners for guys not being signed. it's not the owners fault. how the fuck can the Phillies figure out their payroll for the season (a season that pre-season is now starting) until they know if either of these guys will sign? again it's not unlimited payrolls for these teams.  and there is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold. 

    are you suggesting it's the owners fault that Harper and Machado aren't signed yet?  you can't possibly think that...
    If revenue is going up and payrolls aren’t, where is the money going? Charity?

    Lol what? There is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold?! Might want to look that one up again. 

    Of course it is. We don’t know the offers but they are clearly not in the range they find acceptable 
    yea i misinterpreted that tax rate.  my team hasn't been close to it so can understand my ignorance. figures a yankees fan would know.

    because what they deem acceptable may appear ridiculous to the teams.  giving 10 years is not a smart move even if my Phils might do it.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    My point: baseball revenue is up so teams should be willing to give lots of money to the best players in the game, especially when they’re young.

    Your point: owners making more money and not spending on payroll, keeping the higher revenues for themselves rather than investing in the product is good
    huh? i never said the owners were keeping the money for themselves. my original point was that the two asshole agents are holding up teams from signing other players. the agents and players themselves are blaming the owners for guys not being signed. it's not the owners fault. how the fuck can the Phillies figure out their payroll for the season (a season that pre-season is now starting) until they know if either of these guys will sign? again it's not unlimited payrolls for these teams.  and there is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold. 

    are you suggesting it's the owners fault that Harper and Machado aren't signed yet?  you can't possibly think that...
    If revenue is going up and payrolls aren’t, where is the money going? Charity?

    Lol what? There is a 100% tax if you go over the threshold?! Might want to look that one up again. 

    Of course it is. We don’t know the offers but they are clearly not in the range they find acceptable 
    yea i misinterpreted that tax rate.  my team hasn't been close to it so can understand my ignorance. figures a yankees fan would know.

    because what they deem acceptable may appear ridiculous to the teams.  giving 10 years is not a smart move even if my Phils might do it.
    Because of age, there is only really one contract you can compare. All the other 10 year contracts signed by players over 30 are irrelevant. Now don’t get me wrong, neither of these guys are Arod, by any stretch, and this contract didn’t run it’s course with the opt out, but....



    Read this contract is worth upwards of $450 mil in today’s dollars. If this is $450 mil, $300 mil plus doesn’t seem unreasonable 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,819
    I wouldn't sign ANY player to a 10 year deal in his 30's.

    I would consider it for a guy in his mid 20's though.

    Also no pitcher is worth 10 years no matter what the age is.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I wouldn't sign ANY player to a 10 year deal in his 30's.

    I would consider it for a guy in his mid 20's though.

    Also no pitcher is worth 10 years no matter what the age is.

    I'd sign Trout.

    Harper and Machado are both risks given their character. I wouldn't want either player if they came at great expense.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,960
    Arod evaluation needs to include the roids.  ;)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,819
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I wouldn't sign ANY player to a 10 year deal in his 30's.

    I would consider it for a guy in his mid 20's though.

    Also no pitcher is worth 10 years no matter what the age is.

    I'd sign Trout.

    Harper and Machado are both risks given their character. I wouldn't want either player if they came at great expense.
    Everyone loves Trout.

    Squeaky clean.  He will be a Philly soon though... Boo Angels.

    Harper and Machado I would sign too.  They are young enough but Harper has been accident prone the last 3 years, no?
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    edited February 2019
    HesCalledDyer said:
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.
    I get the Manny hustle and dirty play stuff, but people keep saying he's a bad teammate.  Have you ever heard one of his teammates say something bad about him?  Buck for that matter?  Blown way out of proportion.  Granted I think he is a punk and a baby in general, but the bad teammate stuff seems inaccurate.
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,764
    HesCalledDyer said:
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.
    These past 2 seasons many players have gone unsigned late. That's why some had to sign 1 year deals
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Cliffy6745 said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.
    I get the Manny hustle and dirty play stuff, but people keep saying he's a bad teammate.  Have you ever heard one of his teammates say something bad about him?  Buck for that matter?  Blown way out of proportion 
    I have not heard any such thing.  And I know quite a few Orioles fans & insiders.  The hustle comment was definitely overblown.  I know Boston fans have an issue with him because of Pedroia, but Pedey himself is over it.  And I quote:
    "What is this, high school? I'm a grown-ass man, dude. Come on. I'm just working hard to get healthy." - Dustin Pedroia, 2018.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,065
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.
    I get the Manny hustle and dirty play stuff, but people keep saying he's a bad teammate.  Have you ever heard one of his teammates say something bad about him?  Buck for that matter?  Blown way out of proportion 
    I have not heard any such thing.  And I know quite a few Orioles fans & insiders.  The hustle comment was definitely overblown.  I know Boston fans have an issue with him because of Pedroia, but Pedey himself is over it.  And I quote:
    "What is this, high school? I'm a grown-ass man, dude. Come on. I'm just working hard to get healthy." - Dustin Pedroia, 2018.
    Agreed.  I did add to my post that I think he is a baby.  He cries a lot.  But bad teammate, no.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    What’s the best offer Harper has got? $400 mil would be an absurd expectation even if every season he played matched his best season.

    Machado did enough on the field to deserve stupid money but what kinda dipshit sees such an anticipated huge payday and douches it up on the national stage like he did?
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,046
    DewieCox said:
    What’s the best offer Harper has got? $400 mil would be an absurd expectation even if every season he played matched his best season.

    Machado did enough on the field to deserve stupid money but what kinda dipshit sees such an anticipated huge payday and douches it up on the national stage like he did?
    supposedly Harper turned down 10 years $300 million from the Nats last season. 
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,924
    HesCalledDyer said:
    How these two remain unsigned is borderline insanity.  Two of the best talents in the game. Bryce isn't the hot-headed 20 year old he once was, so his character should not come into question at all.  I get that Manny comes with some attitude flaws but he's THE best defender on the left side of the infield in the game and has the offense to go with it.  The good far, far outweighs the bad.  It's just asinine.

    Yeah it's pretty wild.  Are there really concerns out there about Harper's character?  The guy was one of the most hyped up baseball players in recent memory and was in the big leagues at 19...of course he's going to be a cocky asshole.  All that seems to have gone away.  

    Machado has some flaws but his talent is incredible.  If the White Sox don't end up with him I am going to be livid.  Guys as good as these 2 don't become free agents this young very often.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,612
    David Samson of all people should STFU:

    https://deadspin.com/mlb-players-keep-calling-out-bullshit-excuses-for-playe-1832558172

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