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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Schilling ahead of Clemens & Bonds. I think we need to drug test the writers.
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Schilling ahead of Clemens & Bonds. I think we need to drug test the writers.
    Absolutely 
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,595
    igotid88 said:

    find out tomorrow who gets in
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,955
    Love that the Reds are active, love the idea of getting Gray, not sure what their strategy is overall and am interested to see how it plays out . 
    If their division wasn't so tough I think they could contend.  Will take top seasons from their SPs to allow for that, but pretty much anything is better than sucking.  Glad for the guys who suffered through the last few years that they can be competitive again for a bit.
    (And signing Harper would be ok.  :lol: )
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,759
    Edgar Martinez, Roy Halladay, Mike Mussina, and Mariano Rivera
    I miss igotid88
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,759
    Mariano 100%
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,595
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    Congrats! Well deserved as are the others.
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,595
    Bonds - career WAR 163

    Martinez 68, while playing half the game.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,044
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,064
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,044
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


    agree it's a good argument. it comes down to the premise of do you value longevity and numbers or being dominant for at least a small amount of time. personally I prefer dominant for shorter amount of time than good for a long time.  Mussina was very good but never really dominant or "must-see" type of pitcher. 
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited January 2019
    Mussina, never was the best pitcher in the league. Didn’t get 300 wins when it was still achievable. No on the Hall

    Halladay. Best pitcher for a solid 5 or 6 years. I’d personally give him the nod over Mussina but his career numbers don’t blow my hair back.


    At this point I was hoping no one would get 100%. I don’t feel like “if anybody deserves it, it’s him” like I’m reading a lot of.
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,595
    HOW ABOUT FUCKING DOMINANT FOR A LONG FUCKING TIME??????? :angry:

    I’m actually fine with this class. It’s the last class of juicers (pudge, bagwell, piazza) that these sanctimonious cocksuckers put in, while denying bonds and clemens, that pisses me off.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,064
    Wobbie said:
    HOW ABOUT FUCKING DOMINANT FOR A LONG FUCKING TIME??????? :angry:

    I’m actually fine with this class. It’s the last class of juicers (pudge, bagwell, piazza) that these sanctimonious cocksuckers put in, while denying bonds and clemens, that pisses me off.
    I agree with this. I love this class

    ill pick this back up tomorrow after I get some sleep, but looking bad for Clemens and bonds. It’s crap
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,595
    harold baines > barry bonds.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Wobbie said:
    harold baines > barry bonds.
    Are you drinking again?
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


    agree it's a good argument. it comes down to the premise of do you value longevity and numbers or being dominant for at least a small amount of time. personally I prefer dominant for shorter amount of time than good for a long time.  Mussina was very good but never really dominant or "must-see" type of pitcher. 
    DewieCox said:
    Mussina, never was the best pitcher in the league. Didn’t get 300 wins when it was still achievable. No on the Hall

    Halladay. Best pitcher for a solid 5 or 6 years. I’d personally give him the nod over Mussina but his career numbers don’t blow my hair back.


    At this point I was hoping no one would get 100%. I don’t feel like “if anybody deserves it, it’s him” like I’m reading a lot of.
    The longevity thing I agree with.

    I'm also noticing if a player killed it for 10 years they are getting in.  They might not necessarily have the 500, 300, 3000 etc but for 10 years they put up monsters they are getting in.

    Still trying to figure out how Baines got in though...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,064
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


    agree it's a good argument. it comes down to the premise of do you value longevity and numbers or being dominant for at least a small amount of time. personally I prefer dominant for shorter amount of time than good for a long time.  Mussina was very good but never really dominant or "must-see" type of pitcher. 
    So I generally lead towards peak being more important, but that is also the Don Mattingly argument, and he never got in. I have said a number of times that I always though Halladay is borderline and I have probably said I don't think Mussina is a hall of famer.  That said, If Halladay gets in, I am more than fine with Mussina getting in. I am fine with them both getting in.

    Like I said, I am a big fan of this class in general.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,814
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    Halladay was clearly more dominant, but there is something to be said for the longevity and numbers Moose put up.  Halladay was clearly more dominant in his prime, but if Halladay had to play another 120 games, he wouldn't have Mussina's numbers.   I think they are both extremely borderline but not sure how you can pick one over the other.  It's a good argument.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mussimi01.shtml

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml


    agree it's a good argument. it comes down to the premise of do you value longevity and numbers or being dominant for at least a small amount of time. personally I prefer dominant for shorter amount of time than good for a long time.  Mussina was very good but never really dominant or "must-see" type of pitcher. 
    So I generally lead towards peak being more important, but that is also the Don Mattingly argument, and he never got in. I have said a number of times that I always though Halladay is borderline and I have probably said I don't think Mussina is a hall of famer.  That said, If Halladay gets in, I am more than fine with Mussina getting in. I am fine with them both getting in.

    Like I said, I am a big fan of this class in general.
    Donnie Baseball only had 5 great years though right?

    I loved Mattingly but no way he ever goes in.

    I'm fine w Rivera and Martinez finally getting in.

    Halladay and Mussina I am not so happy with...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,497
    pjhawks said:
    igotid88 said:
    Mariano 100%
    while it's fully deserved it's a bit strange that for years the writers were against anyone being unanimous and they chose a reliever to be the 1st unanimous one.

    Personally I don't think Mussina is a Hall of Famer.  Really good pitcher but don't think he was ever top enough to be in the Hall.  Just my opinion.
    I agree. It seems they are watering down the class because they are unwilling to take guys like Clemens and Bonds so instead you get Martinez, Mussina and Halladay, who 20 years ago wouldn't have had a chance at getting in with their up and down careers and not achieving any of the big milestones. How many years did it take Blyleven to get in and he has very similar numbers to Moose, but with more K's and wins. I would have taken McGriff over Mussina, Martinez and maybe Halladay (good short career, but not that impressive). That guy killed it in the 90's. He had 7 straight years of 30 plus homers and 11 overall in his career. Loved that guy. He sits at 493 and doesn't get in. Wow.
    It's a hopeless situation...

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