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  • josevolution
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    How many kids are still in fucking tents Xmas two weeks away and these kids can’t even get a hug , merry fucking Xmas everyone make sure you hug your kid !!!
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    mace1229 said:
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    Seems perfectly reasonable it isn't headline news anyway. There has been nothing new to report for about 2 weeks and has become stale news. Many reached the boarder, some tried to cross anyway, I think it is reasonable to believe without the presence of troops there would have been more chaos than there was.
    I'm not sure where you are getting at by asking if the president was lying? Are you suggesting there was no caravan? Or that the caravan doesn't have intentions of entering? There is more than enough to prove all that is true, so what was he lying about then?
    The facts are still there, that thousands of immigrants traveled in a caravan with intentions of crossing the boarder. Currently they are stopped at the boarder without any significant events to take over headline news on a daily basis like there was for several weeks prior. While currently officials in Tijuana are reporting concerns that many of us had about such a large group traveling together to begin with but were laughed at for bringing it up.
    so then why all the hysteria that they couldn't be processed and it was going to cause a chaotic scene and it was all the fault of the democrats???

    it was the politics of fear. you can't honestly believe it was a coincidence that this was front page/tweet news leading up to the mid terms, and the second the last election was called, CRICKETS. 
    I'm not saying it wasn't exploited for political gain. But I don't think there is anything suspicious about it not being headline news still. It was heavily reported for 2 weeks after the election, it didnt stop the night of.
    Why aren't the California fires headline news still, it was the worst in the state's history, why did those news reports suddenly stop over night?
    Its because there isnt anything new to report. What would you like the headline news to say about the caravan? There havent been any significant changes in 2 weeks worth reporting on.
    Because what passes for news is really just TV programming whose only purpose is to draw ratings to generate ad revenue and has very little interest in actually delivering real news.... you mean that news? Lol

    Did you hear that Kevin Hart made some comments in poor taste 5 years ago??? Oddly, that seemed to overshadow the story that global greenhouse gas emissions are going up like a runaway freight train 
  • The Juggler
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    More tweets from the president this morning. Nothing about the INVASION still....
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited December 2018
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    Seems perfectly reasonable it isn't headline news anyway. There has been nothing new to report for about 2 weeks and has become stale news. Many reached the boarder, some tried to cross anyway, I think it is reasonable to believe without the presence of troops there would have been more chaos than there was.
    I'm not sure where you are getting at by asking if the president was lying? Are you suggesting there was no caravan? Or that the caravan doesn't have intentions of entering? There is more than enough to prove all that is true, so what was he lying about then?
    The facts are still there, that thousands of immigrants traveled in a caravan with intentions of crossing the boarder. Currently they are stopped at the boarder without any significant events to take over headline news on a daily basis like there was for several weeks prior. While currently officials in Tijuana are reporting concerns that many of us had about such a large group traveling together to begin with but were laughed at for bringing it up.
    so then why all the hysteria that they couldn't be processed and it was going to cause a chaotic scene and it was all the fault of the democrats???

    it was the politics of fear. you can't honestly believe it was a coincidence that this was front page/tweet news leading up to the mid terms, and the second the last election was called, CRICKETS. 
    I'm not saying it wasn't exploited for political gain. But I don't think there is anything suspicious about it not being headline news still. It was heavily reported for 2 weeks after the election, it didnt stop the night of.
    Why aren't the California fires headline news still, it was the worst in the state's history, why did those news reports suddenly stop over night?
    Its because there isnt anything new to report. What would you like the headline news to say about the caravan? There havent been any significant changes in 2 weeks worth reporting on.
    It was not heavily covered for two weeks after the election. That's false. The coverage AND Trump's own comments and hysterical tweets dramatically stopped after the dems took the house. Things picked up again right before the special election in a red state. 

    This was billed not just as an immigration issue--it was billed, by the president no less as an I-N-V-A-S-I-O-N !! Think about what that means. If we lived in a normal time in a normal country and we had a normal president who came across the airwaves to warn the country and an imminent INVASION. Think about the hysteria that would cause. Words matter, especially when uttered by the most important person on the face of the planet. 

    Also worth noting that you're apparently cool and gloss over the fact that the president used the military as a political prop to win a midterm election (and failed in doing so).


    The election was November 6 I believe. I just checked and the articles I saw report the caravan arriving on November 14. It was headline news for at least several days after the arrival. So yes, it was headline news for at least 10-12 days, if not 2 weeks after the election.
    I haven't disagreed with any of the political use of this. I only disagree with those who say this is suddenly odd that it is not a story anymore. Election or not, I think the coverage is normal. The news would have covered it with or without an election, and stopped covering when when they did.
    Now how the politicians reacted would likely influenced by the election. But I don't know if there has been a larger migrant force in history to the US, of course it was going to be covered. And can you tell me one thing that has changed in the last 2 weeks? I can;t so that's why it is no longer headline news.
  • mace1229
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    PJ_Soul said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Seems perfectly reasonable it isn't headline news anyway. There has been nothing new to report for about 2 weeks and has become stale news. Many reached the boarder, some tried to cross anyway, I think it is reasonable to believe without the presence of troops there would have been more chaos than there was.
    I'm not sure where you are getting at by asking if the president was lying? Are you suggesting there was no caravan? Or that the caravan doesn't have intentions of entering? There is more than enough to prove all that is true, so what was he lying about then?
    The facts are still there, that thousands of immigrants traveled in a caravan with intentions of crossing the boarder. Currently they are stopped at the boarder without any significant events to take over headline news on a daily basis like there was for several weeks prior. While currently officials in Tijuana are reporting concerns that many of us had about such a large group traveling together to begin with but were laughed at for bringing it up.
    so then why all the hysteria that they couldn't be processed and it was going to cause a chaotic scene and it was all the fault of the democrats???

    it was the politics of fear. you can't honestly believe it was a coincidence that this was front page/tweet news leading up to the mid terms, and the second the last election was called, CRICKETS. 
    I'm not saying it wasn't exploited for political gain. But I don't think there is anything suspicious about it not being headline news still. It was heavily reported for 2 weeks after the election, it didnt stop the night of.
    Why aren't the California fires headline news still, it was the worst in the state's history, why did those news reports suddenly stop over night?
    Its because there isnt anything new to report. What would you like the headline news to say about the caravan? There havent been any significant changes in 2 weeks worth reporting on.
    There weren't any significant changes in the status of the caravan leading up to the mid terms, either. 
    Sure there were. It was growing and moving, no one knew if they'd ever arrive or keep going. Just their progress was a significant change. Then they arrive at the boarder and the impact it had on the local communities was enough to report on for a few days, plus you have the ones rushing the gates and protests and so on. There was a lot changing every day, until about 2 weeks ago. That's when the reporting stopped.
    Plus it was headlnoe news on every station, not just the Pro-Trump one(s?). If it was political and not just news, what was the motive of all the other anti-Trump stations then?
    Uh huh... So now what's happening to them? Are you assuming they have all just sat down in the dirt to wait or what? It's pretty weird that you're suggesting nothing has happened to a very large group of human beings, including little kids, for two weeks. I guess they vanished into thin air after the midterms?
    And let's not forget how the caravan was even made BIG NEWS and an INVASION in the first place, and many times more people than that cross the southern border every month of the year. Honestly, it could not be more obvious that that whole story was an election ploy and that that is why the story was dropped the second the election were over. And somehow nobody even seems curious to know wtf happened to all these people, where they stand in the processing, if there even was any processing, what happened to the children... ???????? Are they still at the border? If so, are they not still an invading mob? How aren't they now when they were before? What kind of legal processes are in place for them right now? Are any of them dying? Are the parents and children all still together?




    No one said they vanished. My guess it is still headline news in Mexico as it is causing problems trying to house that many people there. But Americans move through stories fast, as soon as nothing new is developing, we move one. They arrived at the boarder, some of the cause some problems for a few days and then it settled down. That doesn't mean they aren't there or went back home, it just means there is nothing new to report that hasn't already been said.
    The biggest news events int he last decade were only headline news for a few days Sandy Hook, Vegas shooting and so on, once all the questions have been answered and the body count is final, news moves on. This was headline news for 3 or 4 weeks, that is a very long time in news standards, how much longer does this need to be reported on a daily basis without new changes to report on?
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited December 2018
    I'm not saying it isn't still a problem, or that it has been resolved. Just that the news coverage of this is just like anything else. Nothing fishy about how this was or is being covered by the media.
    This whole string of comments started by me saying just that in  response to comments like the caravan must not really be an issue because the news is no longer covering it. I still disagree with that. This is a normal news cycle of coverage.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    “Nothing fishy at all” that a situation that developed over many weeks and is still ongoing only received significant attention from Trump immediately before the midterms. 
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  • mace1229
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    edited December 2018
    “Nothing fishy at all” that a situation that developed over many weeks and is still ongoing only received significant attention from Trump immediately before the midterms. 
    All news stations were covering it. From CNN to Fox. I don;t know why I've seen several refer to only Trump talking about it, it was headline news for about a month, on all stations. It would be fishy if the White House had a press conference every day and they were the only ones talking about it, but that wasn't the case.
    And yes, it was during the election. But can;t really talk about it ebfore it happened, the caravan was at it's peak in mid October-mid November. There's nothing made up about that.
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  • dignin
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    mace1229 said:
    “Nothing fishy at all” that a situation that developed over many weeks and is still ongoing only received significant attention from Trump immediately before the midterms. 
    All news stations were covering it. From CNN to Fox. I don;t know why I've seen several refer to only Trump talking about it, it was headline news for about a month, on all stations. It would be fishy if the White House had a press conference every day and they were the only ones talking about it, but that wasn't the case.
    And yes, it was during the election. But can;t really talk about it ebfore it happened, the caravan was at it's peak in mid October-mid November. There's nothing made up about that.
    Ha! You probably still think Mexico is going to pay for "the wall".
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    “Nothing fishy at all” that a situation that developed over many weeks and is still ongoing only received significant attention from Trump immediately before the midterms. 
    All news stations were covering it. From CNN to Fox. I don;t know why I've seen several refer to only Trump talking about it, it was headline news for about a month, on all stations. It would be fishy if the White House had a press conference every day and they were the only ones talking about it, but that wasn't the case.
    And yes, it was during the election. But can;t really talk about it ebfore it happened, the caravan was at it's peak in mid October-mid November. There's nothing made up about that.
    The media was covering it because Trump was incessantly tweeting and talking about it. That’s the whole point of this discussion. That’s why people are referring to Trump. And mysteriously, immediately after the election he stopped the tweets. 
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  • mace1229
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    dignin said:
    mace1229 said:
    “Nothing fishy at all” that a situation that developed over many weeks and is still ongoing only received significant attention from Trump immediately before the midterms. 
    All news stations were covering it. From CNN to Fox. I don;t know why I've seen several refer to only Trump talking about it, it was headline news for about a month, on all stations. It would be fishy if the White House had a press conference every day and they were the only ones talking about it, but that wasn't the case.
    And yes, it was during the election. But can;t really talk about it ebfore it happened, the caravan was at it's peak in mid October-mid November. There's nothing made up about that.
    Ha! You probably still think Mexico is going to pay for "the wall".
    I never thought there was going to be a wall to begin with.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited December 2018
    I’m not sure pointing out that the same amount of people cross the border every month is a smart tactic. That tells you how big the problem and while used as “an election ploy” in this case, has been ignored by our leaders for far too long.
    It wasn't a tactic at all in terms of boosting some cause. I was pointing out how sinister the "invasion" propaganda was. And I don't think anyone denies that ILLEGAL immigrants aren't a problem. But that number I mentioned wasn't just about illegal immigrants. It includes the legal ones too, who do go through the process. NOBODY supports people sneaking over the border without going into the system, including those in that caravan, and I don't think anyone could make it any more clear. I don't understand why people persist in pretending that they do somehow.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    my2hands said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Seems perfectly reasonable it isn't headline news anyway. There has been nothing new to report for about 2 weeks and has become stale news. Many reached the boarder, some tried to cross anyway, I think it is reasonable to believe without the presence of troops there would have been more chaos than there was.
    I'm not sure where you are getting at by asking if the president was lying? Are you suggesting there was no caravan? Or that the caravan doesn't have intentions of entering? There is more than enough to prove all that is true, so what was he lying about then?
    The facts are still there, that thousands of immigrants traveled in a caravan with intentions of crossing the boarder. Currently they are stopped at the boarder without any significant events to take over headline news on a daily basis like there was for several weeks prior. While currently officials in Tijuana are reporting concerns that many of us had about such a large group traveling together to begin with but were laughed at for bringing it up.
    so then why all the hysteria that they couldn't be processed and it was going to cause a chaotic scene and it was all the fault of the democrats???

    it was the politics of fear. you can't honestly believe it was a coincidence that this was front page/tweet news leading up to the mid terms, and the second the last election was called, CRICKETS. 
    I'm not saying it wasn't exploited for political gain. But I don't think there is anything suspicious about it not being headline news still. It was heavily reported for 2 weeks after the election, it didnt stop the night of.
    Why aren't the California fires headline news still, it was the worst in the state's history, why did those news reports suddenly stop over night?
    Its because there isnt anything new to report. What would you like the headline news to say about the caravan? There havent been any significant changes in 2 weeks worth reporting on.
    Because what passes for news is really just TV programming whose only purpose is to draw ratings to generate ad revenue and has very little interest in actually delivering real news.... you mean that news? Lol

    Did you hear that Kevin Hart made some comments in poor taste 5 years ago??? Oddly, that seemed to overshadow the story that global greenhouse gas emissions are going up like a runaway freight train 
    So you've decided to go full Trump in terms of the news media, eh? FAKE NEWS!!!!!!
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    edited December 2018
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Seems perfectly reasonable it isn't headline news anyway. There has been nothing new to report for about 2 weeks and has become stale news. Many reached the boarder, some tried to cross anyway, I think it is reasonable to believe without the presence of troops there would have been more chaos than there was.
    I'm not sure where you are getting at by asking if the president was lying? Are you suggesting there was no caravan? Or that the caravan doesn't have intentions of entering? There is more than enough to prove all that is true, so what was he lying about then?
    The facts are still there, that thousands of immigrants traveled in a caravan with intentions of crossing the boarder. Currently they are stopped at the boarder without any significant events to take over headline news on a daily basis like there was for several weeks prior. While currently officials in Tijuana are reporting concerns that many of us had about such a large group traveling together to begin with but were laughed at for bringing it up.
    so then why all the hysteria that they couldn't be processed and it was going to cause a chaotic scene and it was all the fault of the democrats???

    it was the politics of fear. you can't honestly believe it was a coincidence that this was front page/tweet news leading up to the mid terms, and the second the last election was called, CRICKETS. 
    I'm not saying it wasn't exploited for political gain. But I don't think there is anything suspicious about it not being headline news still. It was heavily reported for 2 weeks after the election, it didnt stop the night of.
    Why aren't the California fires headline news still, it was the worst in the state's history, why did those news reports suddenly stop over night?
    Its because there isnt anything new to report. What would you like the headline news to say about the caravan? There havent been any significant changes in 2 weeks worth reporting on.
    It was not heavily covered for two weeks after the election. That's false. The coverage AND Trump's own comments and hysterical tweets dramatically stopped after the dems took the house. Things picked up again right before the special election in a red state. 

    This was billed not just as an immigration issue--it was billed, by the president no less as an I-N-V-A-S-I-O-N !! Think about what that means. If we lived in a normal time in a normal country and we had a normal president who came across the airwaves to warn the country and an imminent INVASION. Think about the hysteria that would cause. Words matter, especially when uttered by the most important person on the face of the planet. 

    Also worth noting that you're apparently cool and gloss over the fact that the president used the military as a political prop to win a midterm election (and failed in doing so).


    The election was November 6 I believe. I just checked and the articles I saw report the caravan arriving on November 14. It was headline news for at least several days after the arrival. So yes, it was headline news for at least 10-12 days, if not 2 weeks after the election.
    I haven't disagreed with any of the political use of this. I only disagree with those who say this is suddenly odd that it is not a story anymore. Election or not, I think the coverage is normal. The news would have covered it with or without an election, and stopped covering when when they did.
    Now how the politicians reacted would likely influenced by the election. But I don't know if there has been a larger migrant force in history to the US, of course it was going to be covered. And can you tell me one thing that has changed in the last 2 weeks? I can;t so that's why it is no longer headline news.
    No you're wrong. Fox had reporters embedded in the invader's caravan leading up to the election. They broadcasted shows directly from the border leading up to the election. Trump had his head of homeland security down there before the election. Trump was talking and tweeting about it nonstop right up to the election. It was WALL TO WALL coverage. Immediately after the election? Yeah, not so much....until we got to the days leading up to the MS special election a few weeks later. After that? Not so much. 

    Here is some light reading regarding the news coverage before and after the midterms:



    https://www.thewrap.com/migrant-caravan-coverage-drops-sharply-after-midterms

    .https://qz.com/1467663/the-media-coverage-of-the-migrant-caravan-nearly-stopped-after-the-us-midterms/

    .https://www.politico.com/media/newsletters/morning-media/2018/11/12/2018-election-continues-caravan-coverage-fades-fox-news-civil-war-boycott-001647

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/09/caravan-has-all-vanished-cable-news/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2dc9035cd844

    https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Migrant-Caravan-Coverage-Plummeted-After-Midterms-13393188.php

    https://www.apnews.com/417018f53fee4482af315948dc7313b9

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Trump-hardly-mentions-caravan-after-election-13400405.php

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/15/media/obama-trump-caravan/index.html

    https://theweek.com/articles/807694/press-needs-stop-letting-trump-lead-around-by-nose


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