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HesCalledDyer · November 2018

How is JD Martinez not an MVP finalist?

MayDay10 · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

In what should have been the glory years of me being a Cleveland fan, he all but ruined those teams for me. Roided out jerk face shit head. I just could not root for an asshole of those depths

cutz · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

cutz · November 2018

HesCalledDyer said:

How is JD Martinez not an MVP finalist?

Baseball writers should be a shamed of themselves.

cutz · November 2018

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cutz · November 2018

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Report: D-Backs willing to listen to offers for Goldschmidt, Greinke

Bryan Mcwilliam

3h ago

Ralph Freso / Getty Images Sport / Getty

PHOENIX AZ - SEPTEMBER 09 Paul Goldschmidt 44 of the Arizona Diamondbacks looks on during a pitching change during the ninth inning of an MLB game against the Atlanta Braves at Chase Field on September 9 2018 in Phoenix Arizona

The Arizona Diamondbacks are willing to listen to trade offers for anyone on their team, including their two biggest stars in first baseman Paul Goldschmidt and right-hander Zack Greinke, reports Fancred Sports' Jon Heyman.

One rival executive suggested to Heyman a trade for Goldschmidt was still remote, while another said he thought the Diamondbacks would have to pay a significant portion of Greinke's salary to trade him.

Arizona's signings of Greinke and outfielder Yasmany Tomas (six years, $68.5 million), who was arrested in January for speeding and spent all of 2018 in the minor leagues, continue to hamstring the organization financially, according to The Athletic's Jeff Wiser, who adds the Diamondbacks are caught between playing in a tough division and payroll constraints.

The 31-year-old Goldschmidt has been one of the National League's best players since 2013, appearing in six straight All-Star games and finishing third or higher in MVP voting on three occasions.

He's eligible for free agency at the end of 2019 and will earn $14.5 million next season, so a trade while his value is still high could net the Diamondbacks a nice return.

Greinke, 35, has three years and $104.5 million remaining on the six-year contract he signed with Arizona prior to the 2016 season.

Since signing with the Diamondbacks, the veteran starter owns a 45-25 record with a 3.53 ERA and 1.13 WHIP. However, as Wiser points out, the deal weighs heavily on the team's payroll and they'd almost surely like to get out from under the contract if they can.

tempo_n_groove · November 2018

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

cutz · November 2018

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1646362

Report: Mariners considering teardown

Bryan Mcwilliam

23m ago

Stephen Brashear / Getty Images Sport / Getty

SEATTLE, WA - MAY 3: Seattle Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto (R) talks with manager Scott Servais before a game between the Oakland Athletics and the Seattle Mariners at Safeco Field on May 3, 2018 in Seattle, Washington. The Mariners won the game 4-1.

The Seattle Mariners are considering a complete teardown this winter, league sources told Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.

Seattle told other teams virtually no Mariners players would be untouchable in a robust trade market, Passan reported Tuesday. If that market materializes, he added, the team is willing to take a multi-year approach to a rebuild.

"They're going to blow it up," a source told MLB.com's Mark Feinsand.

Complicating matters are the potential returns the Mariners would receive for some of their best players.

Shortstop Jean Segura's no-trade clause would need to be reworked for a deal to occur. Seattle would also expect massive returns for outfielder Mitch Haniger and pitchers James Paxton and Edwin Diaz, Passan notes.

It appears the Mariners intend to keep Haniger, Diaz, and pitcher Marco Gonzales, reports Jon Heyman of Fancred Sports, who hears "everyone else is up for grabs."

Seattle is already in discussions with the Tampa Bay Rays regarding catcher Mike Zunino, sources told The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal.

Seattle placed third in the American League West in 2018, despite finishing 16 games over .500. The Mariners haven't qualified for the postseason since 2001.

The club has close to $132 million committed to payroll (before arbitration) for 2019.

cutz · November 2018

cutz said:

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1645917

I say yes to this. Never made sense that you can trade for a player with less then 30 games left of a 162 game schedule. And while ther at it, they can get rid of the Roster expansion in September too.

Report: MLB expected to discuss move to uniform mid-August trade deadline
Jason Wilson
2h ago
Jason Miller / Getty Images Sport / Getty
Major League Baseball could be eyeing a significant change to its midsummer-transaction landscape.
At this week's general manager meetings, officials from the commissioner's office and executives from teams are expected to discuss the elimination of trade waivers in favor of a uniform trade deadline, which could land in mid-August, according to Jon Paul Morosi of MLB.com.
The current non-waiver trade deadline is July 31 at 4 p.m. ET. Afterward, players need to pass through waivers to be traded, and must be acquired by the end of Aug. 31 to be eligible for postseason rosters.
While the league is apparently weighing interest in a uniform deadline, any changes would require the approval of the MLB Players Association.
The GM meetings open Tuesday and are scheduled to conclude Thursday in Carlsbad, Calif.

cutz · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.

Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB

162 Game Avg. 162 703 616 103 182 41 2 40 130 9 4 72 101 .295 .369 .564 . 933 144 347

Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml

Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.

tempo_n_groove · November 2018

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.

Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
162 Game Avg. 162 703 616 103 182 41 2 40 130 9 4 72 101 .295 .369 .564 . 933 144 347

Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml

Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.

Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.

Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.

Had 3000 hits.

Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.

He also won 4GG.

He belongs in.

Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.

tempo_n_groove · November 2018

Again, the only one on that list that should be considered is Lee Smith.

cutz · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.

Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
162 Game Avg. 162 703 616 103 182 41 2 40 130 9 4 72 101 .295 .369 .564 . 933 144 347

Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml

Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.

Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.

Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.

Had 3000 hits.

Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.

He also won 4GG.

He belongs in.

Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.

Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.

I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.

cutz · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

Again, the only one on that list that should be considered is Lee Smith.

I'm lukewarm on Lee Smith.

mfc2006 · November 2018

HesCalledDyer said:

How is JD Martinez not an MVP finalist?

I thought the same thing. I thought Bregman had a chance to get in the final 3 as well.

dankind · November 2018

mfc2006 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

How is JD Martinez not an MVP finalist?

I thought the same thing. I thought Bregman had a chance to get in the final 3 as well.

DH snub, maybe.

tempo_n_groove · November 2018

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.

Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
162 Game Avg. 162 703 616 103 182 41 2 40 130 9 4 72 101 .295 .369 .564 . 933 144 347

Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml

Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.

Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.

Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.

Had 3000 hits.

Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.

He also won 4GG.

He belongs in.

Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.

Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.

I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.

By that logic Mattingly should be in then.

Nope.

Ryan Howard should get in.

Nope.

Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.

None of them should be in.

There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...

Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.

But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.

igotid88 · November 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I unearthed this little gem too
In 2001, following his retirement, the New York Daily News' columnist Bill Madden wrote:
"Sorry, there'll be no words of sympathy here for Albert Belle. He was a surly jerk before he got hurt and now he's a hurt surly jerk....He was no credit to the game. Belle's boorish behavior should be remembered by every member of the Baseball Writers' Associationwhen it comes time to consider him for the Hall of Fame."

And that's why he's not in the HOF(which is BS), because based on his numbers he's a HOFer. Steve Carlton & Jim Rice weren't all warm & fuzzy with reporters.

He doesn't have the numbers to be IN the HOF.

Hall worthy numbers?

Hits? 1700, nope.
HR? 381, nope.
Runs? 974, nope.
SB? 88, nope. Vince Coleman had more his rookie year...

What stats does he have that places him in the HOF? It really is becoming the Hall pf Good with thinking like this.

For a batter you need to have 3000 or 500 as numbers. If not you'd better have a whole bunch of RBI's and Runs... All of which Mr.Belle did not.

So, Craig Biggio was better then Albert Belle? I loved Biggio, but he was a compiler. He's a prime example of when 3,000 hits in a career doesn't belong in then HOF. Biggio is a prime example of someone who belongs in the Hall Of Very Good. Albert Belle only played 12 years(which hurt his chances at compiling more stats), but in 10 of those years he was a dominant player. In his last season he had 23 HR's & 103 RBI's. Ask John Hart who was the most feared hitter on those Tribe teams and he'll tell you it was Albert Belle, and that's when the Tribe had Jim Thome, Manny Ramierez, etc.

Belle's Stats (He averaged, for his career, based on a 162 games .295 40 HR 130 RBI's) >Probably a few players in the HOF who do NOT have those averages?

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG. OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB
162 Game Avg. 162 703 616 103 182 41 2 40 130    9 4 72 101 .295 .369 .564 . 933 144    347

Check out his stats and notice he has a lot of Bold print: https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/belleal01.shtml

Trust me i'm no Albert Belle , or a Tribe fan, but he's a HOFer for me.

Biggio is a perfect example, thank you.

Biggio has the Modern Major League Record for HBP just 2 shy of the record.

Had 3000 hits.

Had 400+ SB's, 600 plus dbls, is 15th all time in runs. The other 14 above him are or will be in the HOF and the other 14 below him are or will be in the HOF.

He also won 4GG.

He belongs in.

Belle's career was cut short but does not belong in, sorry... Longevity maters in Baseball unless you're Sandy Koufax.

Yes, Biggio is a good example ...of a compiler. How many Stats did he lead during a season? HBP? Okay, i guess. He lead in Runs a couple of years, 2B's 3 years , & SB one year. No other stats of signifcance. Biggio's high in RBI's is 88(he averaged 67RBI/season). He wasn't a dominant player.

I gave you Belles stats, and yes his career was only 12 years, but he was dominant for 10 of those years. That equals a HOFer to me.

By that logic Mattingly should be in then.

Nope.

Ryan Howard should get in.

Nope.

Writers use your logic as of late, they have with Guerrero, Trammel, Morris, Hoffman and Raines.

None of them should be in.

There are a few more over the years that I scratch my head at also...

Again Biggio is 15th all-time in runs. Take a look at the five others below him.

But hey, we can disagree. I know you're wrong, lol.

Mattingly should get in

mfc2006 · November 2018

McCullers out next season for TJ surgery. Damnit. I had a feeling...

Cliffy6745 · November 2018

mfc2006 said:

McCullers out next season for TJ surgery. Damnit. I had a feeling...

Good chance you guys bring back Morton now?

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