Don Lemon: 'White men' are biggest terror threat to US, and there is no travel ban on them

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited October 2018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    I personally have no issue with anyone stating a fact.  
    Exactly. If you substituted anything else it would be a lie, making it easy to presume it's a racially motivated statement, because why else would you lie about that? And that would be where the problem is.

    The arguments against generalizing a group (let say for Muslims) was that you can't generalize a large population for a small percentage of wrongdoers in that group.  Would not the same arguments that were used before apply in this case as well with white people? 
    Who assumed that Lemon meant all white men?
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them."

    the problem here is how it was worded. He doesn't quantify it as "SOME" white men, he just says "white men", and then saying "most of them....". that can easily be manipulated by fox news and the like as demonizing the entire group of white men in america to rile up their supporters. 

    it's just really irresponsible editorializing. 
    I don't think it is, at least not for those who understand how language and communication works. I think it was very clear what he meant.
    uh, I understand fully how language and communication work. it is clear to us what he meant, but it is just generalized enough that it can easily be twisted. 
    I actually wasn't suggesting that you don't understand that, lol. I know you do (come on, I hope you know I wouldn't throw a stupid dig like that at you!).
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  • brianlux
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    LOL.  More train humor.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Yawn. 
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    eddiec said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    I personally have no issue with anyone stating a fact.  
    Exactly. If you substituted anything else it would be a lie, making it easy to presume it's a racially motivated statement, because why else would you lie about that? And that would be where the problem is.

    The arguments against generalizing a group (let say for Muslims) was that you can't generalize a large population for a small percentage of wrongdoers in that group.  Would not the same arguments that were used before apply in this case as well with white people? 
    I get what you're saying about making generalisations. But if the question was: Who is the biggest terror threat in the US? and you answer: White men. That's not a generalisation, it's just a fact, no?
    on the other side of the coin, if you ask the question, "who is responsible for most low level crime and violence in the US?". the short answer would start a fucking riot, whether it's true or not. that's the problem, it's a singular quesiton with a multi-faceted answer. answering it singularly is irresponsible, especially for someone in the media, and especially for a black man who should know better. 

    edit: and when I say "for a black man who should know better", before anyone jumps down my gullet, I mean he's probably been on the receiving end of those same types of generalizations, so it's in that context I mean he should know better. both as a professional journalist and also from personal experience. 
    I disagree. The higher crime rate amongst blacks is often brought up in the media. 

    so what are you disagreeing with exactly?
    That people act like it’s a taboo subject never brought up in the news. 
    It’s peoples reaction to that is when it can get ugly. 

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yawn. 
    With all your yawning you really should take a nap.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    cincybearcat said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yawn. 
    With all your yawning you really should take a nap.
    I’m thinking it’s about nap time.  Kind of a dreary Halloween.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    Lerxst1992 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    I personally have no issue with anyone stating a fact.  
    Exactly. If you substituted anything else it would be a lie, making it easy to presume it's a racially motivated statement, because why else would you lie about that? And that would be where the problem is.

    The arguments against generalizing a group (let say for Muslims) was that you can't generalize a large population for a small percentage of wrongdoers in that group.  Would not the same arguments that were used before apply in this case as well with white people? 
    Who assumed that Lemon meant all white men?
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them."

    the problem here is how it was worded. He doesn't quantify it as "SOME" white men, he just says "white men", and then saying "most of them....". that can easily be manipulated by fox news and the like as demonizing the entire group of white men in america to rile up their supporters. 

    it's just really irresponsible editorializing. 


    One side gets to reap whatever lies and BS it wants, the other cites statistically supported fact and that side are the bad guys. He said threat. He was referring to which demographic group is most responsible. It was clear and supported by facts

    .
    I'm aware of that. All I'm saying is he left it open to attack by the WAY he said it. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    Go Beavers said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Go Beavers said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    eddiec said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    I personally have no issue with anyone stating a fact.  
    Exactly. If you substituted anything else it would be a lie, making it easy to presume it's a racially motivated statement, because why else would you lie about that? And that would be where the problem is.

    The arguments against generalizing a group (let say for Muslims) was that you can't generalize a large population for a small percentage of wrongdoers in that group.  Would not the same arguments that were used before apply in this case as well with white people? 
    I get what you're saying about making generalisations. But if the question was: Who is the biggest terror threat in the US? and you answer: White men. That's not a generalisation, it's just a fact, no?
    on the other side of the coin, if you ask the question, "who is responsible for most low level crime and violence in the US?". the short answer would start a fucking riot, whether it's true or not. that's the problem, it's a singular quesiton with a multi-faceted answer. answering it singularly is irresponsible, especially for someone in the media, and especially for a black man who should know better. 

    edit: and when I say "for a black man who should know better", before anyone jumps down my gullet, I mean he's probably been on the receiving end of those same types of generalizations, so it's in that context I mean he should know better. both as a professional journalist and also from personal experience. 
    I disagree. The higher crime rate amongst blacks is often brought up in the media. 

    so what are you disagreeing with exactly?
    That people act like it’s a taboo subject never brought up in the news. 
    It’s peoples reaction to that is when it can get ugly. 

    ok, I guess I haven't seen that outside of honest discussion about statistics and the reason behind them (racism, oppression, etc). 
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  • brianlux
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    cincybearcat said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Yawn. 
    With all your yawning you really should take a nap.
    Hey, can we keep it down around this place?  I'm trying to sleep!
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
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  • unsung
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?
    Ooooooooooowwwwww is that racist? 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,783
    I’d say most of us understand what racism is but most of us don’t know what it feels to be on the receiving end of racism ! 
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  • unsung
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    cincybearcat said:
    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?
    Ooooooooooowwwwww is that racist? 
    Exactly.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    You have to say stuff like this when no one watches your network to attract attention.
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,396
    Don Lemon is great.

    see ya :wave:
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  • CM189191
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    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?

    And some on here give me shit for turning everything into “race.” Well, guess what? Race fucking matters. Every. Single. Day.
     
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  • oftenreading
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    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?

    Why did you turn "should have listened more" to "because I am white"??

    SC didn't say it was due to your race. You did. 
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  • josevolution
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    unsung said:
    Substitute white with anything else and see how that works out for him.  Lemme guess, not racist, right?


    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/don-lemon-biggest-terror-threat-in-this-country-is-white-men_us_5bd9aeeae4b0da7bfc15c504


    You don't seem to understand what racism is. Maybe you should have listened a bit more at your church's sunday school?
    Right, I don't understand racism because I am white, right?

    And some on here give me shit for turning everything into “race.” Well, guess what? Race fucking matters. Every. Single. Day.
     
    Indeed it does !
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