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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,451

    APPROVED RULING: If a spectator clearly prevents a fielder from catching a fly ball, the umpire shall declare the batter out.

    …Rule 3.16 Comment: There is a difference between a ball which has been thrown or batted into the stands, touching a spectator thereby being out of play even though it rebounds onto the field and a spectator going onto the field or reaching over, under or through a barrier and touching a ball in play or touching or otherwise interfering with a player. In the latter case it is clearly intentional and shall be dealt with as intentional interference as in Rule 3.15. Batter and runners shall be placed where in the umpire’s judgment they would have been had the interference not occurred.

    No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence, railing, rope or into a stand to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk. However, should a spectator reach out on the playing field side of such fence, railing or rope, and plainly prevent the fielder from catching the ball, then the batsman should be called out for the spectator’s interference.

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    When are the home fans going to realize that you have to get out of the way?  Crazy.  Tough to say Betts would not have made that catch but that clearly was a homer if he had been able to try w/o fans interfering and he did not make the catch.
    Tough pill to swallow for Astros fans, I am sure.

    Some really good plays made in the game.
    But it doesn’t matter if he was going to make the catch. Once the ball is over the wall, there is no interference. 
    Is that the rule? (I don't know, just asking...)
    It does look to me like Betts reached into the stands to make the catch, so if that is the actual rule, perhaps it should have been a home run.
    Common sense (at least the way I am viewing it) would be that the player had a chance to catch the ball and was legitimately interfered with.
    What would your opinion be if he reached into the same spot, the ball was going into his glove (instead of next to his glove, which was being blocked by a fan), and a fan visibly moved his glove while trying to catch the souvenir headed straight for their lap?

    I think the guy should have a chance to catch the ball when he makes a great play like that....however that is an "I think" and does not have any official rules knowledge about this call and who hates the Red Sox.  :)
    It is. I am about to get those seats and start smacking the glove out of people's hands.

    Rule 6.01(e) in the Official Baseball Rules states, “No interference shall be allowed when a fielder reaches over a fence . . . to catch a ball. He does so at his own risk.”
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    That ball looks out of play to me. His body is pretty much against the wall and his arm is obviously further back.
    His body is still a away from the wall.

    There are hands IN FRONT of Betts' glove touching the ball so that would be interference.
    Image result for astros interference
    Here his body is still 3 feet away from the wall so his arm is clearly not over the wall yet.

    Does this pic change anybody's mind?
    Still think that ball is out, but agree that it is probably not enough to overturn.

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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    the contact with the glove started to be made before that shot though.

    If anything, we are talking like a miniscule millimeter difference over the yellow.  Even in that case, the 'spirit' of that rule seems to imply something clearly out of play.  For all intents and purposes, the ball was very much in play there and it looks like Betts was going to make the catch.


    I don't have a skin in the game here.  If anyone, I hope the Astros win.  I think it would have been a joke to award an HR there
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    edited October 2018
    F Me In The Brain said:
    When are the home fans going to realize that you have to get out of the way?  Crazy.  Tough to say Betts would not have made that catch but that clearly was a homer if he had been able to try w/o fans interfering and he did not make the catch.
    Tough pill to swallow for Astros fans, I am sure.

    Some really good plays made in the game.
    When are people going to realize the fans don't have to get out of the way?  If the ball is out of the field of play, it's as much the fans' as any fielder's.  A player cannot leave the field of play in attempt to make a catch (only if momentum carries them once the attempt is made).  He can reach out of play for the ball, but it can't be interference at that point.

    That picture of Betts from behind isn't convincing because of the angle. The ball also touched the fans hand AFTER Betts' glove closed and rebounded off it. The picture in front isn't convincing at all.

    Also, the whole "enough evidence to overturn" stipulation is and always has been dumb.  If you're going to replay, you're obviously unsure of the call on the field in the first place, that instrinsically means the call is doubtful in the first place and the call on the field should be void at that point.  The point of replay should be to get the call right, not "is it enough evidence to overturn?"
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Point being replay sucks.

    If the officials fuck it up, they fuck it up. It's a game played by human beings, goddamn it, not cameras.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,820
    Some passion and fire from non-Astros fans.  (Just anti-Sox?)  :lol:
    I still think the fan should not have touched and that the call should be interference/out.
    A tough call and I feel for Astros fans. 
    The different angles do make it appear two different ways. 
    I am on record as hating on the Sox but I cast my vote for 'correct ruling'.
    I also hate that fat bastard West.

    Our votes mean nothing but it is interesting to see how strongly different people feel on opposite sides of this.
    Sounds kind of like the shitshow going on everywhere in our country.  I am sure there must be an AMT asshat to make this about politics, somehow, right?
    :lol:

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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    I am rooting for Houston but I'm not anti-Sox; rather pro-getting-the-call-correct.
    Mookie Betts is one of my favorite MLB players.
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,820
    HesCalledDyer said:
    I am rooting for Houston but I'm not anti-Sox; rather pro-getting-the-call-correct.
    Mookie Betts is one of my favorite MLB players.
    I share the desire to have the calls be right -- especially if they are going to go full robot on us with reviews.
    We just disagree.  :)
    Mookie's throw to 2nd was awesome
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,820
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
    God damn right!


  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,820
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
    God damn right!


    :lol:
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
    God damn right!


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  • F Me In The Brain
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,451
    HesCalledDyer said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    When are the home fans going to realize that you have to get out of the way?  Crazy.  Tough to say Betts would not have made that catch but that clearly was a homer if he had been able to try w/o fans interfering and he did not make the catch.
    Tough pill to swallow for Astros fans, I am sure.

    Some really good plays made in the game.
    When are people going to realize the fans don't have to get out of the way?  If the ball is out of the field of play, it's as much the fans' as any fielder's.  A player cannot leave the field of play in attempt to make a catch (only if momentum carries them once the attempt is made).  He can reach out of play for the ball, but it can't be interference at that point.

    That picture of Betts from behind isn't convincing because of the angle. The ball also touched the fans hand AFTER Betts' glove closed and rebounded off it. The picture in front isn't convincing at all.

    Also, the whole "enough evidence to overturn" stipulation is and always has been dumb.  If you're going to replay, you're obviously unsure of the call on the field in the first place, that instrinsically means the call is doubtful in the first place and the call on the field should be void at that point.  The point of replay should be to get the call right, not "is it enough evidence to overturn?"
    That is why it IS convincing...

    The guy with the tattoo's elbow is at the plane of the wall.

    His hand is in front of his elbow.

    Betts' glove is in front of his elbow.

    I work with angles and view points all the time so I will see it differently than others.
  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,894
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
    God damn right!


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    I thought Cliffy was Jeffrey Maier
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  • Wobbie
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    letsongsprotest said:
    Wow, likely a Boston vs LA world series.  Great....  

    I love baseball, but not sure how much of that i'll be able to stomach and watch.  

    it's enough to make me root for boston. blech!
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Poncier said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Now that this rule is out and known known. I am all about the fans taking a more active role.  Take the glove right off the players hand, smack the ball out of it.  Do what you gotta do!  When the ball is out of play that is.
    Yankees fan perspective!  ;)
    God damn right!


    Is that Jeffrey Maier all grown up?

    I thought Cliffy was Jeffrey Maier
    Dude, I wish!  At least 9 year old Maier or whatever. I like my life now.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,451
    Oldy but goody story on that GIF
    https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/5/31/2995814/yankeesfans-gif-animated-yankee-enthusiasts-story

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