Beto O'Rourke
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“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
And I answered it. Beyond that, I have zero interest in comparing rate stats between countries. It's extraordinarily safe here, as I assume it is in Sweden, too.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I asked it earnestly.pjl44 said:
I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.
And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.
but I guess texans have their priorities... ..0 -
Like 20 times less safe in the US when it comes to being killed by a gun.pjl44 said:
And I answered it. Beyond that, I have zero interest in comparing rate stats between countries. It's extraordinarily safe here, as I assume it is in Sweden, too.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I asked it earnestly.pjl44 said:
I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.
And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.
but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
And in both countries you are free to own a gun.
Just added some context to your answer and opinion that it's saver then ever so it's not a time to discuss guns.
Thanks for your answer.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
So?PJPOWER said:
“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
It does depend on the area though. Lots of safe places with guns. Which is part of the problem. Those people don’t understand the need cause it’s safe where they live.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like 20 times less safe in the US when it comes to being killed by a gun.pjl44 said:
And I answered it. Beyond that, I have zero interest in comparing rate stats between countries. It's extraordinarily safe here, as I assume it is in Sweden, too.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I asked it earnestly.pjl44 said:
I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.
And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.
but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
And in both countries you are free to own a gun.
Just added some context to your answer and opinion that it's saver then ever so it's not a time to discuss guns.
Thanks for your answer.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You don’t think dealing with diversity creates unique challenges?Spiritual_Chaos said:
So?PJPOWER said:
“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.hippiemom = goodness0 -
What has that to do with abortion and/or gun laws?cincybearcat said:
You don’t think dealing with diversity creates unique challenges?Spiritual_Chaos said:
So?PJPOWER said:
“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yes, "20x less safe" sounds way scarier than 99.9999538% chance of not being a victim vs. 99.9999981%. As I suspected, and as is so often the case, you're not asking these questions in earnest.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like 20 times less safe in the US when it comes to being killed by a gun.pjl44 said:
And I answered it. Beyond that, I have zero interest in comparing rate stats between countries. It's extraordinarily safe here, as I assume it is in Sweden, too.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I asked it earnestly.pjl44 said:
I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.
And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.
but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
And in both countries you are free to own a gun.
Just added some context to your answer and opinion that it's saver then ever so it's not a time to discuss guns.
Thanks for your answer.
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I can see it havIng a lot to do with abortion laws, but much less so with respect to actual gun violence than some might expect.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What has that to do with abortion and/or gun laws?cincybearcat said:
You don’t think dealing with diversity creates unique challenges?Spiritual_Chaos said:
So?PJPOWER said:
“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I didn't ask a question in that post. And I didn't post anything to make it sound scary.pjl44 said:
Yes, "20x less safe" sounds way scarier than 99.9999538% chance of not being a victim vs. 99.9999981%. As I suspected, and as is so often the case, you're not asking these questions in earnest.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Like 20 times less safe in the US when it comes to being killed by a gun.pjl44 said:
And I answered it. Beyond that, I have zero interest in comparing rate stats between countries. It's extraordinarily safe here, as I assume it is in Sweden, too.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I asked it earnestly.pjl44 said:
I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.
And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.
but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
And in both countries you are free to own a gun.
Just added some context to your answer and opinion that it's saver then ever so it's not a time to discuss guns.
Thanks for your answer.
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Ummm lots of different backgrounds, etc leading to difference of opinions. Tougher to gain consensua on anything really.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What has that to do with abortion and/or gun laws?cincybearcat said:
You don’t think dealing with diversity creates unique challenges?Spiritual_Chaos said:
So?PJPOWER said:
“Normal”...Easy to say coming from a country with very little cultural diversity.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - making the state/country of yours sane.PJPOWER said:
Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on? If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you? Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now? Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives? If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.pjl44 said:
Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.Spiritual_Chaos said:How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education...
The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.
Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I'm gonna have to go write a review for the new Halloween-movie now (MICHAEL MYERS IS BACK!) and after that I'm gonna try to run at the company gym while blasting some Pearl Jam, but I think Pjpower will come around and vote for Beto. In secret maybe. Or he'll let us now he's changed his minds on Ted. Either way is fine."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years? I wonder if the increase in immigration correlates with the increase in violence aka I wonder if the increased cultural diversity has effected the level of violence within the small country?Post edited by PJPOWER on0
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Where have you read this "everything" you are talking about? Your local paper, or what media?PJPOWER said:I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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Two people have been killed by grenades in the last twenty years in Sweden. I would hazard a guess that the number is higher in the USA. And certainly more than two people have died of gun violence in the USA in that time.PJPOWER said:I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years? I wonder if the increase in immigration correlates with the increase in violence aka I wonder if the increased cultural diversity has effected the level of violence within the small country?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
To use our friend @pjl44 rhetoric:PJPOWER said:I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years? I wonder if the increase in immigration correlates with the increase in violence aka I wonder if the increased cultural diversity has effected the level of violence within the small country?
"Sweden is a safe country and is becoming safer. It sees the one who looks at the statistics. The fatal violence has been the same in the last ten years, in international comparisons, low levels. Viewed over a longer period of time, it decreases - if you ignore the interwar period when strong regulation of alcohol consumption reduced fatal violence to levels that Sweden has not seen since."
It's safer than it has ever been."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Not even close:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where have you read this "everything" you are talking about? Your local paper, or what media?PJPOWER said:I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years?
https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombings-grenade-attacks-violent-reality-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/
One of many out there. All you have to do is google “violence in Sweden” and a plethora of articles pop up regarding increased violence there. I thought it was all rainbows and gummy bears in Sweden...maybe not for much longer? Why the grenade violence in Sweden? You don’t hear much of grenade deaths in the US...?Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
As above, two deaths. Two.PJPOWER said:
Not even close:Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where have you read this "everything" you are talking about? Your local paper, or what media?PJPOWER said:I wonder if your odds of being killed by a hand grenade are greater in Sweden than the US? Everything I have read states that gang and gun violence are on the rise in Sweden, especially in inner-cities. What does cultural diversity have to do with gang violence? Why the surge of these things in Sweden over the past 20 or so years?
https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombings-grenade-attacks-violent-reality-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/
One of many out there. All you have to do is google “violence in Sweden” and a plethora of articles pop up regarding increased violence there. I thought it was all rainbows and gummy bears in Sweden...maybe not for much longer? Why the grenade violence in Sweden? You don’t hear much of grenade deaths in the US...?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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