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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    Ahhh, the great state of Texas, where they make it illegal to disclose the location of fertilizer warehouses after one blows up, leveling an apartment complex and killing scores and where they expect you to comply. Leave your civil liberties at the border folks. Wonder if private school kids are required to watch too?

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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So let me get this straight Texas.  Your choices are sticking with Ted Cruz (who I never really liked but thought maybe he actually had principles...that I just didn't align with...but then he works with Trump after what he did to him) and Beto?  A guy that's popular because of what exactly?  Young, energetic and likes the Who?  Gets drive-thru and can play the air drums?  Why is this Beto so popular with the left in Texas, honest question.
    Because he is a decent human being. And has a "decent-thuman-being-that-wants-to-do-good-and-maybe-get-people-normal-fucking-sane-healthcare-like-ALL-other-western-democracies"-glow to him.

    While Ted Cruz wants to deport all dreamers. 

    You know this. And where O'Rourke stands on issues.
    Ummmm, I asked the question for a reason.

    Being a decent human being huh?  Bar is low in the political world, sad.
    The bar is low. But that is not a reason to vore for Ted Cruz. 

    "B-b-b-but Beto is taking away my guns and not live like we're stuck in the 1800s - we can't have that!"
    Yeah, I'm not in texas, but I wouldn't vote for Cruz if I was.  But just wondering if there is really substance behind some of these democratic up and comers.  or, if it's more like find a young likable person that sticks to the decently left of center script (the new Dem platform it seems).  Not saying it's a bad thing, just trying to understand if this is another Obama or just a flash in the pan.  Cause I expected Obama's rise, you could see it, but it came 4-8 years earlier than I thought it would.
    More or less this exactly. He's a thoughtful, charismatic guy with garden variety progressive views. Not my bag, but would certainly be interesting to see how it plays nationally. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    pjl44 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So let me get this straight Texas.  Your choices are sticking with Ted Cruz (who I never really liked but thought maybe he actually had principles...that I just didn't align with...but then he works with Trump after what he did to him) and Beto?  A guy that's popular because of what exactly?  Young, energetic and likes the Who?  Gets drive-thru and can play the air drums?  Why is this Beto so popular with the left in Texas, honest question.
    Because he is a decent human being. And has a "decent-thuman-being-that-wants-to-do-good-and-maybe-get-people-normal-fucking-sane-healthcare-like-ALL-other-western-democracies"-glow to him.

    While Ted Cruz wants to deport all dreamers. 

    You know this. And where O'Rourke stands on issues.
    Ummmm, I asked the question for a reason.

    Being a decent human being huh?  Bar is low in the political world, sad.
    The bar is low. But that is not a reason to vore for Ted Cruz. 

    "B-b-b-but Beto is taking away my guns and not live like we're stuck in the 1800s - we can't have that!"
    Yeah, I'm not in texas, but I wouldn't vote for Cruz if I was.  But just wondering if there is really substance behind some of these democratic up and comers.  or, if it's more like find a young likable person that sticks to the decently left of center script (the new Dem platform it seems).  Not saying it's a bad thing, just trying to understand if this is another Obama or just a flash in the pan.  Cause I expected Obama's rise, you could see it, but it came 4-8 years earlier than I thought it would.
    More or less this exactly. He's a thoughtful, charismatic guy with garden variety progressive views. Not my bag, but would certainly be interesting to see how it plays nationally. 
    What does "garden variety" mean? For someone not native english speaking?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So let me get this straight Texas.  Your choices are sticking with Ted Cruz (who I never really liked but thought maybe he actually had principles...that I just didn't align with...but then he works with Trump after what he did to him) and Beto?  A guy that's popular because of what exactly?  Young, energetic and likes the Who?  Gets drive-thru and can play the air drums?  Why is this Beto so popular with the left in Texas, honest question.
    Because he is a decent human being. And has a "decent-thuman-being-that-wants-to-do-good-and-maybe-get-people-normal-fucking-sane-healthcare-like-ALL-other-western-democracies"-glow to him.

    While Ted Cruz wants to deport all dreamers. 

    You know this. And where O'Rourke stands on issues.
    Ummmm, I asked the question for a reason.

    Being a decent human being huh?  Bar is low in the political world, sad.
    The bar is low. But that is not a reason to vore for Ted Cruz. 

    "B-b-b-but Beto is taking away my guns and not live like we're stuck in the 1800s - we can't have that!"
    Yeah, I'm not in texas, but I wouldn't vote for Cruz if I was.  But just wondering if there is really substance behind some of these democratic up and comers.  or, if it's more like find a young likable person that sticks to the decently left of center script (the new Dem platform it seems).  Not saying it's a bad thing, just trying to understand if this is another Obama or just a flash in the pan.  Cause I expected Obama's rise, you could see it, but it came 4-8 years earlier than I thought it would.
    More or less this exactly. He's a thoughtful, charismatic guy with garden variety progressive views. Not my bag, but would certainly be interesting to see how it plays nationally. 
    What does "garden variety" mean? For someone not native english speaking?
    Standard or run-of-the-mill
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2018
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 

    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 



    https://betofortexas.com/issues

    Guns
    • Require background checks for all gun sales to ensure that firearms only get into the hands of responsible, law-abiding individuals. This means finally closing the gun show, online, and boyfriend loopholes.
    • Stop selling weapons of war and high-capacity magazines to ensure that firearms designed to kill as effectively and efficiently as possible on the battlefield aren’t used in our schools, our streets, our churches, and our concerts.    
    • Block the erosion of Texas’ license to carry standards by opposing Concealed Carry Reciprocity, which would force Texas to allow anyone from states with weak to nonexistent conceal carry laws to disregard our own public safety requirements.
    • Fully support federal research on gun violence so that we can better understand and address its root causes.

    Women's Health
    • Ensuring that a woman’s right to choose is not compromised by limited access to safe and legal abortion services or family planning help.
    • Expanding Medicaid and funding family planning centers in order to prevent another mother dying needlessly due to complications before or after childbirth.
    • Supporting policies that guarantee a woman’s access to birth control and emergency contraception.
    • Protecting the Title X Family Planning Program that ensure millions of low-income Americans can afford access to reproductive health services, such as cervical and breast cancer screenings and well-woman exams.
    That crazy bastard
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    CM189191 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 



    https://betofortexas.com/issues

    Guns
    • Require background checks for all gun sales to ensure that firearms only get into the hands of responsible, law-abiding individuals. This means finally closing the gun show, online, and boyfriend loopholes.
    • Stop selling weapons of war and high-capacity magazines to ensure that firearms designed to kill as effectively and efficiently as possible on the battlefield aren’t used in our schools, our streets, our churches, and our concerts.    
    • Block the erosion of Texas’ license to carry standards by opposing Concealed Carry Reciprocity, which would force Texas to allow anyone from states with weak to nonexistent conceal carry laws to disregard our own public safety requirements.
    • Fully support federal research on gun violence so that we can better understand and address its root causes.

    Women's Health
    • Ensuring that a woman’s right to choose is not compromised by limited access to safe and legal abortion services or family planning help.
    • Expanding Medicaid and funding family planning centers in order to prevent another mother dying needlessly due to complications before or after childbirth.
    • Supporting policies that guarantee a woman’s access to birth control and emergency contraception.
    • Protecting the Title X Family Planning Program that ensure millions of low-income Americans can afford access to reproductive health services, such as cervical and breast cancer screenings and well-woman exams.
    That crazy bastard
    It's the second bullet under Guns that sounds good as rhetoric, but concerns people because it leaves a broad interpretation of what he might support. How does "weapon of war" translate into written legislation? Full autos are already illegal.

    And high capacity magazines? Make a bunch of equipment non-compliant and force people to purchase replacements? Quite a sales boon for firearms manufacturers with no real practical impact.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Yeah I don’t get it really. I’m not sure why people are so concerned with the government taking their guns away....yet they get pissed if the government doesn’t tell you what bathroom to use.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    edited October 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 

    Why would abortion even be such a big issue for you... instead of lets say the environment or education etc. What makes the right so fixated on guns and abortion... do you get like slowly shaped into focusing on those specific things through Fox News or something..?  

    (or has the abortion thing to do with religious beliefs for you maybe(?))

    Abortion and guns are like (pretty much) non-issues in Sweden (except for maybe "how can we stop guns from being smuggled in from the balkans"). And I bet the average woman and man are happier and healthier in Sweden than in the US.

    In the US, it's like nothing is more important. Raise your view a bit maybe texans.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 

    Why would abortion even be such a big issue for you... instead of lets say the environment or education etc. What makes the right so fixated on guns and abortion... do you get like slowly shaped into focusing on those specific things... 

    (or has the abortion thing to do with religious beliefs for you maybe(?))

    Abortion and guns are like (pretty much) non-issues in Sweden (except for maybe "how can we stop guns from being smuggled in from the balkans"). And I bet the average woman and man are happier and healthier in Sweden than in the US.

    In the US, it's like nothing is more important. Raise your view a bit maybe texans.
    I think you are making light of an actual life/death issue. Abortion is not a trivial matter to either side. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    cincybearcat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 

    Why would abortion even be such a big issue for you... instead of lets say the environment or education etc. What makes the right so fixated on guns and abortion... do you get like slowly shaped into focusing on those specific things... 

    (or has the abortion thing to do with religious beliefs for you maybe(?))

    Abortion and guns are like (pretty much) non-issues in Sweden (except for maybe "how can we stop guns from being smuggled in from the balkans"). And I bet the average woman and man are happier and healthier in Sweden than in the US.

    In the US, it's like nothing is more important. Raise your view a bit maybe texans.
    I think you are making light of an actual life/death issue. Abortion is not a trivial matter to either side. 
    In what way am I making light of any issue?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    edited October 2018
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
    And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.

    So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.

    And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.

    but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,533
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
    And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.

    So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.

    And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.

    but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
    I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
    And still - US: 4.62 fire-arm homocides per 100.000. Sweden 0,19 per 100.000.

    So, "All in a time" might just be the time to still try to change things. And lowest point in 60 years could be seen as moot.

    And yes, in both countries you are allowed to own guns.

    but I guess texans have their priorities... ..
    I can guarantee no one on a Pearl Jam message board is going to change my views on 2A much and I'm also pretty sure I can't change yours. Best I can do is frame the argument and answer the question if you're asking it earnestly.
    I asked it earnestly.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    Here's the latest debate. I know this will change @PJPOWERs mind!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDBS_sOaZ4 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2018
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
    Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on?  If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you?  Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now?  Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives?  If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more votes.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Not going to lie, I do like O’Rourke’s stance on marijuana legalization.  He needs to back off some of the other stances (gun control, abortion on demand) to get my vote, though.  I imagine a lot of other Texans feel the same.  
    If he came out and said “Hey guys, I really just want to get weed legalized, that’s all”, I would probably vote for him, lol. 

    Why would abortion even be such a big issue for you... instead of lets say the environment or education etc. What makes the right so fixated on guns and abortion... do you get like slowly shaped into focusing on those specific things through Fox News or something..?  

    (or has the abortion thing to do with religious beliefs for you maybe(?))

    Abortion and guns are like (pretty much) non-issues in Sweden (except for maybe "how can we stop guns from being smuggled in from the balkans"). And I bet the average woman and man are happier and healthier in Sweden than in the US.

    In the US, it's like nothing is more important. Raise your view a bit maybe texans.
    Is it safe to say that you do not understand the cultural differences between Sweden and Texas?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,473
    edited October 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    pjl44 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How can guns be such a big thing for americans.... it's just... I mean... it's not the environment, health care, education... 
    Everything you listed is a pretty big issue here. As far as guns go, it's one part sport and one part self defense. Fully automatic weapons have been outlawed and background check systems implemented - no one really bat an eye on that except the serious hardliners.

    The reason there is so much debate recently is people keep pushing to ban stuff and aren't clear about what they're calling to ban. A "weapon of war" or "assault rifle" are general terms that you couldn't write into an actual law. I could show you two guns that work exactly the same mechanically - one would look like granpa's hunting rifle and the other would be super scary.

    Without going on and on, the reason this persists is because it's really easy to have strong rhetoric on either side of the debate and really hard to write a law that will make any practical difference without seizing hundreds of millions of dollars of personal property. All in a time where our violent crime rate is at it's lowest point in 60 years.
    Exactly, and if abortions and guns are “not that big of issues”, then why are they a couple of the major stances that O’Rourke is running on?  If the environment, teacher pay, etc are of more importance, why throw in what spiritual chaos described as meaningless issues that dissuade people from voting for you?  Maybe because they are HUGE issues with democrats right now?  Why is it cool for liberals to be so concerned about those things, but not conservatives?  If the environment and teacher pay are the main target of his agendas, then focusing on those and not focusing on hugely controversial issues (for Texans) might gain more bipartisan support.  
    Because making it normal (as in, like most of the western world do it) instead of making it crazy like the right wants, is an issue. The issue is - getting the state/country of yours to the level of sane. I think.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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