Hurricane Michael

retropony · October 2018

Stay safe everyone in Florida and Georgia, and good luck to all of you. We've just recovered a bit in the Myrtle beach area, and this new storm is a monster. I can't even imagine a cat 4 coming through....

mfc2006 · October 2018

Be safe, everyone

Bentleyspop · October 2018

I have family and friends in Apalachicola. One of whom does her business on a houseboat.
My guess is it's gone by this time tomorrow.

Going to try and head down there to help with clean up and recovery.

cp3iverson · October 2018

Such a beautiful part of the country. Some of those beaches are white sand/clear water like the Caribbean. Hope there’s no loss of life.

Bentleyspop · October 2018

cp3iverson said:

Such a beautiful part of the country. Some of those beaches are white sand/clear water like the Caribbean. Hope there’s no loss of life.

I could walk for miles on St. George Island on an 80 degree day in February and hardly see anyone else.

Jason P · October 2018

Looks like it isn't as bad as they thought it could be, although the Weather Channel has reportedly lost two of their field correspondents after they were blown by winds across the 8th dimension.

brianlux · October 2018

I hadn't heard about Michael till now. Good thoughts for our FL and GA friends!

hauntingfamiliar · October 2018

My neighborhood was just destroyed by a slow moving Cat 1... we are not even close to recovering. Michael thrashing in out of nowhere at nearly a Cat 5... I can't even imagine the destruction. Peace be with Florida and Georgia.

brianlux · October 2018

hauntingfamiliar said:

My neighborhood was just destroyed by a slow moving Cat 1... we are not even close to recovering. Michael thrashing in out of nowhere at nearly a Cat 5... I can't even imagine the destruction. Peace be with Florida and Georgia.

I'm really sorry to hear that. Are you and yours OK?

brianlux · October 2018

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

josevolution · October 2018

brianlux said:

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

They are shit out of luck .

Halifax2TheMax · October 2018

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

They are shit out of luck .

Remember when the repubs voted against funding for
super storm sandy relief? Anyone here remember that? Deficits and all?

Bentleyspop · October 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

They are shit out of luck .

Remember when the repubs voted against funding for
super storm sandy relief? Anyone here remember that? Deficits and all?

Probably the same repubs that voted against increasing the budget for the V.A.

josevolution · October 2018

Bentleyspop said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

They are shit out of luck .

Remember when the repubs voted against funding for
super storm sandy relief? Anyone here remember that? Deficits and all?

Probably the same repubs that voted against increasing the budget for the V.A.

yep the same repubs that refused to hold a hearings on Garland or the same repubs that pushed through Kavanaugh yep those patriotic Senators ...

hauntingfamiliar · October 2018

brianlux said:

hauntingfamiliar said:

My neighborhood was just destroyed by a slow moving Cat 1... we are not even close to recovering. Michael thrashing in out of nowhere at nearly a Cat 5... I can't even imagine the destruction. Peace be with Florida and Georgia.

I'm really sorry to hear that. Are you and yours OK?

Thanks Brian

Yes we are fine and our house and property only had some minor damage. We were extremely fortunate. The retention ponds in our neighborhood overflowed and flooded about 100 homes. Ours was about 6 houses away from the flooding. If a house wasn't flooded, it was smashed by a tree.. it looks like a junk yard/war zone here and the mosquitoes are the size of quarters. However after looking at the destruction in Mexico Beach, FL I realize that my neighborhood's issues could be much worse. That town is gone.

brianlux · October 2018

hauntingfamiliar said:

brianlux said:

hauntingfamiliar said:

My neighborhood was just destroyed by a slow moving Cat 1... we are not even close to recovering. Michael thrashing in out of nowhere at nearly a Cat 5... I can't even imagine the destruction. Peace be with Florida and Georgia.

I'm really sorry to hear that. Are you and yours OK?

Thanks Brian Yes we are fine and our house and property only had some minor damage. We were extremely fortunate. The retention ponds in our neighborhood overflowed and flooded about 100 homes. Ours was about 6 houses away from the flooding. If a house wasn't flooded, it was smashed by a tree.. it looks like a junk yard/war zone here and the mosquitoes are the size of quarters. However after looking at the destruction in Mexico Beach, FL I realize that my neighborhood's issues could be much worse. That town is gone.

Good to know you're OK!

PJ_Soul · October 2018

josevolution said:

brianlux said:

Just got time today to read up on this one.

https://www.apnews.com/b4a51136559d44f589319ecfbf6f11a9

What is going to happen to these states if this keeps happening year after year? It just seems to be getting worse down there.

They are shit out of luck .

Yeah, that's about the size of it, unfortunately. I mean, people in these areas are eventually going to be forced to migrate, obviously. What stuns me is that development continues, and people are still buying properties in areas that will inevitably be under water or otherwise uninhabitable soon enough. I don't get it. Meanwhile, other places need to prepare for these migrations caused by climate change, but they aren't. As far as I can tell, nowhere is infrastructure being upgraded and built up more to accommodate the future, even though it's pretty predictable where populations are going to boom (and shrink), and housing density isn't being confronted in any kind of widespread responsible way.... Makes me very thankful that I chose not to have children.

PJPOWER · October 2018

I think it is due to the whole “it’ll never happen to me” ideology. I’ve thought the same thing about places like Seattle that are ticking catastrophic earthquake time-bombs...or those that build houses in lava flow areas in Hawaii. Anywhere you live, there is a chance of some kind of natural catastrophe, but some places are way more likely to experience them than others.
Developers don’t care. It always blows my mind when I see new construction going up on 50 year flood plains or lake beds essentially...but people always seem willing to buy those properties. They have got to be either naive or in denial.

PJ_Soul · October 2018

PJPOWER said:

I think it is due to the whole “it’ll never happen to me” ideology. I’ve thought the same thing about places like Seattle that are ticking catastrophic earthquake time-bombs...or those that build houses in lava flow areas in Hawaii. Anywhere you live, there is a chance of some kind of natural catastrophe, but some places are way more likely to experience them than others.
Developers don’t care. It always blows my mind when I see new construction going up on 50 year flood plains or lake beds essentially...but people always seem willing to buy those properties. They have got to be either naive or in denial.

Well Seattle isn't a good example (but agree it seems very odd to build on predictable lava flow areas). It is impossible to say that you should avoid living in/building on all places that will ever suffer a natural disaster. That's not realistic or reasonable. Places on earthquake faults can generally recover and carry on, since the events are temporary and rare. Modern cities on faults can prepare well enough to basically ensure that they won't be rendered forever uninhabitable after the big one (however unpleasant that is in the relative short term). Their building codes are all extremely rigorous when it comes to earthquake friendly structures, and Seattle is not even on open coast, so wouldn't even be totally destroyed in the unlikely event of a big Tsunami. Sure, there will likely be a shitload of destruction if the quake is big enough, but it won't be something that the city can't get over. Same with Vancouver. Same goes for places that just see more than their share of tornadoes or what have you.

The same can not be said of cities and regions that are going to simply end up under water, like Miami and a really big portion of Florida and Louisiana (nor will a place like Richmond, which is part of metro Vancouver, which will supposedly liquefy and sink into the ground and underwater in the event of a huge earthquake). And like you, say places that are built on lake beds that are going to fill in, lol. California and some of the other southern states will also just be fucked from drought and heat. Cities can't continue to survive without an adequate and sustainable water source, nor if the climate there is simply too hot for people to tolerate on a day to day basis. This is also obviously a huge upcoming problem in certain parts of the Middle East. My point is, there are some more predictable/inevitable natural disasters that can be dealt with. Recovery is completely feasible. But permanent changes in the landscape/climate that render places permanently uninhabitable are a completely different story.

... I am curious to see what governments start doing with desalinization project though, as water sources... I'm afraid those will really take off, which will help places in permanent drought, but will almost certainly wreak even more havoc on the ocean's ecosystem.

dankind · October 2018

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

I think it is due to the whole “it’ll never happen to me” ideology. I’ve thought the same thing about places like Seattle that are ticking catastrophic earthquake time-bombs...or those that build houses in lava flow areas in Hawaii. Anywhere you live, there is a chance of some kind of natural catastrophe, but some places are way more likely to experience them than others.
Developers don’t care. It always blows my mind when I see new construction going up on 50 year flood plains or lake beds essentially...but people always seem willing to buy those properties. They have got to be either naive or in denial.

Well Seattle isn't a good example (but agree it seems very odd to build on predictable lava flow areas). It is impossible to say that you should avoid living in/building on all places that will ever suffer a natural disaster. That's not realistic or reasonable. Places on earthquake faults can generally recover and carry on, since the events are temporary and rare. Modern cities on faults can prepare well enough to basically ensure that they won't be rendered forever uninhabitable after the big one (however unpleasant that is in the relative short term). Their building codes are all extremely rigorous when it comes to earthquake friendly structures, and Seattle is not even on open coast, so wouldn't even be totally destroyed in the unlikely event of a big Tsunami. Sure, there will likely be a shitload of destruction if the quake is big enough, but it won't be something that the city can't get over. Same with Vancouver. Same goes for places that just see more than their share of tornadoes or what have you.

The same can not be said of cities and regions that are going to simply end up under water, like Miami and a really big portion of Florida and Louisiana (nor will a place like Richmond, which is part of metro Vancouver, which will supposedly liquefy and sink into the ground and underwater in the event of a huge earthquake). And like you, say places that are built on lake beds that are going to fill in, lol. California and some of the other southern states will also just be fucked from drought and heat. Cities can't continue to survive without an adequate and sustainable water source, nor if the climate there is simply too hot for people to tolerate on a day to day basis. This is also obviously a huge upcoming problem in certain parts of the Middle East. My point is, there are some more predictable/inevitable natural disasters that can be dealt with. Recovery is completely feasible. But permanent changes in the landscape/climate that render places permanently uninhabitable are a completely different story.

... I am curious to see what governments start doing with desalinization project though, as water sources... I'm afraid those will really take off, which will help places in permanent drought, but will almost certainly wreak even more havoc on the ocean's ecosystem.

I don't know, man: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

PJ_Soul · October 2018

dankind said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

I think it is due to the whole “it’ll never happen to me” ideology. I’ve thought the same thing about places like Seattle that are ticking catastrophic earthquake time-bombs...or those that build houses in lava flow areas in Hawaii. Anywhere you live, there is a chance of some kind of natural catastrophe, but some places are way more likely to experience them than others.
Developers don’t care. It always blows my mind when I see new construction going up on 50 year flood plains or lake beds essentially...but people always seem willing to buy those properties. They have got to be either naive or in denial.

Well Seattle isn't a good example (but agree it seems very odd to build on predictable lava flow areas). It is impossible to say that you should avoid living in/building on all places that will ever suffer a natural disaster. That's not realistic or reasonable. Places on earthquake faults can generally recover and carry on, since the events are temporary and rare. Modern cities on faults can prepare well enough to basically ensure that they won't be rendered forever uninhabitable after the big one (however unpleasant that is in the relative short term). Their building codes are all extremely rigorous when it comes to earthquake friendly structures, and Seattle is not even on open coast, so wouldn't even be totally destroyed in the unlikely event of a big Tsunami. Sure, there will likely be a shitload of destruction if the quake is big enough, but it won't be something that the city can't get over. Same with Vancouver. Same goes for places that just see more than their share of tornadoes or what have you.

The same can not be said of cities and regions that are going to simply end up under water, like Miami and a really big portion of Florida and Louisiana (nor will a place like Richmond, which is part of metro Vancouver, which will supposedly liquefy and sink into the ground and underwater in the event of a huge earthquake). And like you, say places that are built on lake beds that are going to fill in, lol. California and some of the other southern states will also just be fucked from drought and heat. Cities can't continue to survive without an adequate and sustainable water source, nor if the climate there is simply too hot for people to tolerate on a day to day basis. This is also obviously a huge upcoming problem in certain parts of the Middle East. My point is, there are some more predictable/inevitable natural disasters that can be dealt with. Recovery is completely feasible. But permanent changes in the landscape/climate that render places permanently uninhabitable are a completely different story.

... I am curious to see what governments start doing with desalinization project though, as water sources... I'm afraid those will really take off, which will help places in permanent drought, but will almost certainly wreak even more havoc on the ocean's ecosystem.

I don't know, man: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one

Well okay, lol, fair enough. Though I think an event that catastrophic, i.e. where the entire west coast basically just falls into the ocean one day, including along the san andreas and cascadia faults, is along the same lines as the Yellowstone Caldera blowing... It's pointless to even bother thinking about it, because the destruction is so widespread and devastating and covers such a vast area that to consider actually avoiding them is not even possible. I mean, if we're thinking that way, everyone in the USA and most of Canada should get the fuck out now before that blows, and it's more overdue than the big one on the west coast is. Everyone on Earth should just kill themselves now, actually. We're all doomed because of the inevitable asteroid.

(but btw, if the predicted death toll in that article is correct, I'm impressed. Only 13,000 dead?? That seems pretty reasonable, and recoverable. It's like that article is overstating its case but still telling the facts at the same time... I mean, 230,000 people were killed in the 2004 Tsunami, and most of those area are recovering too - they were not rendered permanently uninhabitable by that, barring a few tiny populated islands and peninsulas that are now permanently underwater).

I'm more thinking about the places where it's actually possible to deal with and take action to avoid it, is of a size where long term migration away from it is realistic, and those places that are at risk of unlivable drought/heat and of unmanageable rising sea levels qualify (thus far). So the edges of Florida and the panhandle, certain areas in Louisiana, and unfortunately rather large swaths of southern California, Arizona, and a few other regions from those largely super dry and hot southern states. That's actually big migration that will be most disruptive IMO.

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