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MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100
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I've always wondered about a few PJ poster related topics.  Perhaps some of you know the answers to some or all.  These questions are not intended as criticism and are purely just out of curiosity. (Please forgive me if this has already been discussed.  I attempted a search of past threads).

1) Who actually decides what artist(s) will create a poster for a particular show?  Band members? 10C? 
2) Is that decision made prior to seeing a design, draft, or concept?
3) Is it a tightly guarded secret as to how many Show Edition prints are made?  What would the effect be if the public knew? 
4) Do the 10C website "show edition" prints ever make an appearance in the given location of a concert?  In other words, did the Chicago posters on sale on the website ever actually spend a minute in the state of Illinois?  Or were they shipped directly from print to the Seattle 10C to be sold later?
5) I truly don't know much about silk screen production.  I've been inside one artist studio where each is "hand pulled".  It seemed like a fairly pain-staking process.  How are these newer stadium posters being made in such large quantities?  These are still "hand pulled" or just cranking out of some massive machine somewhere, never being in the same room as the artist?
6) Is a "variant" an intentional run of posters made with the intent to sell?  Or are they originally prototypes, just for the artist to check out color schemes to decide on the larger run?

Thanks in advance, for any insight.  
11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.

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    MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100


    Have I breached a secret society topic?  
    11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
    7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
    11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.
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    CopperTomCopperTom Posts: 2,990
    At one time, artists did express interest in particular show(s).  That doesn't mean they will be selected though.

    Supposedly, the band does approve all merchandise.  IMO, vast majority is rubber stamped.

    Prior to 2013, SE often ran between 800 -1200.  2013 to present, SE run between 1600 - 2400.  Ballparks more. 

    At this point, no.  Unless there is unsold posters.

    Yes, slow process.  Most artists use printers and do no do this themselves.  The printing company is sometimes listed on the poster too.

    Variants are not prototypes.  Varients feature different colors, inks or paper.  Sometimes different "characters" or text.
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=28
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    MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100
    CopperTom said:
    Variants are not prototypes.  Varients feature different colors, inks or paper.  Sometimes different "characters" or text.
    Thanks for responding.
    As for variants, is the purpose to try out colors, inks, or paper with the intent of deciding what the official run will be? 
    Or is there another purpose for artists making variants?
    11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
    7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
    11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.
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    CopperTomCopperTom Posts: 2,990
    $$$
    http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=28
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    WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,476
    CopperTom said:
    $$$

    the answer to every question.
    If I had known then what I know now...

    Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
    VIC 07
    EV LA1 08
    Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
    Columbus 10
    EV LA 11
    Vancouver 11
    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
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    hihobibohihobibo Tampa, FL Posts: 1,057
    Look up Brad Klausen's posts in one of the merch thread from the past year ( I think maybe the 2017 EV solo tour thread?) where he gave great insight to the process, including why he and Ames are grandfathered in so they usually get more flexibility than other artists.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,029
    1998 poster print runs

    Maui – 500
    New Zealand – 800
    Melbourne – 800
    Adelaide – 500
    Sydney – 1000
    Brisbane - 500
    Perth- 200
    Missoula – 500
    Salt Lake City - ?
    Denver – 400
    Rapid City – 300
    Chicago – 1300
    Minneapolis – 300
    St. Louis – 400
    Kansas City – 300
    Dallas – 350
    Albuquerque – 500
    Phoenix – 300
    San Diego – 400
    Las Vegas – 400
    Los Angeles – 750
    Sacramento – 300
    Portland – 400
    Vancouver – 300
    Seattle (Benefit) - 200
    Seattle – 1000
    Indianapolis – 350
    East Lansing – 350
    Montreal / Toronto – 850
    Detroit – 450
    Pittsburgh – 450
    Cleveland – 450
    Philly, Camden - 850
    Raleigh – 450
    Atlanta - 450
    Birmingham – 350
    Knoxville – 450
    Virginia – 750
    New York – 1000
    New York (2nd Printing) - ?
    Hartford – 450
    Mansfield – 900
    Columbia – 350
    Washington DC – 475
    West Palm Beach – 500
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    new york 98 had a 2nd printing?  How can you tell if it is a first or 2nd run?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    angry_skullangry_skull Posts: 321
    Some, like Thomas's (especially the train), look like they go straight from some Adobe program to a printer.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1998 poster print runs

    Maui – 500
    New Zealand – 800
    Melbourne – 800
    Adelaide – 500
    Sydney – 1000
    Brisbane - 500
    Perth- 200
    Missoula – 500
    Salt Lake City - ?
    Denver – 400
    Rapid City – 300
    Chicago – 1300
    Minneapolis – 300
    St. Louis – 400
    Kansas City – 300
    Dallas – 350
    Albuquerque – 500
    Phoenix – 300
    San Diego – 400
    Las Vegas – 400
    Los Angeles – 750
    Sacramento – 300
    Portland – 400
    Vancouver – 300
    Seattle (Benefit) - 200
    Seattle – 1000
    Indianapolis – 350
    East Lansing – 350
    Montreal / Toronto – 850
    Detroit – 450
    Pittsburgh – 450
    Cleveland – 450
    Philly, Camden - 850
    Raleigh – 450
    Atlanta - 450
    Birmingham – 350
    Knoxville – 450
    Virginia – 750
    New York – 1000
    New York (2nd Printing) - ?
    Hartford – 450
    Mansfield – 900
    Columbia – 350
    Washington DC – 475
    West Palm Beach – 500
    SOmeone was on here a few weeks ago offering to sell the Indy poster for $1700....there were only 350 printed

    crazy

    It's really not even a great looking poster.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,029
    mcgruff10 said:
    new york 98 had a 2nd printing?  How can you tell if it is a first or 2nd run?
    The numbers were taken from an order sheet from back in the day.  I just copied the runs.  I'm sure that someone has a pic of the actual photo somewhere.
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    MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    new york 98 had a 2nd printing?  How can you tell if it is a first or 2nd run?
    The numbers were taken from an order sheet from back in the day.  I just copied the runs.  I'm sure that someone has a pic of the actual photo somewhere.
    So I take it that the run #'s are indeed not common public knowledge?
    11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
    7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
    11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    So New york had an initial pressing of 1000 spread over three shows...I am shocked I somehow bought one.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,029
    Milestone said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    new york 98 had a 2nd printing?  How can you tell if it is a first or 2nd run?
    The numbers were taken from an order sheet from back in the day.  I just copied the runs.  I'm sure that someone has a pic of the actual photo somewhere.
    So I take it that the run #'s are indeed not common public knowledge?
    That is correct.  I forgot how the person obtained the paper but it gave great insight on to what was printed and why certain prints were so hard to find.

    It was Andy I think that was looking for the Perth forever and finally landed one.
    mcgruff10 said:
    So New york had an initial pressing of 1000 spread over three shows...I am shocked I somehow bought one.
    Posters weren't crazy commodity like they are now.
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    MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100
    hihobibo said:
    Look up Brad Klausen's posts in one of the merch thread from the past year ( I think maybe the 2017 EV solo tour thread?) where he gave great insight to the process, including why he and Ames are grandfathered in so they usually get more flexibility than other artists.
    Wow, thank you.  Found that thread.  It's a great read and BK was certainly being open about the process.  
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/265070/eddie-vedder-2017-merchandise/p1
    11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
    7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
    11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.
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    eyecanwalkeyecanwalk Posts: 707
    Milestone said:
    hihobibo said:
    Look up Brad Klausen's posts in one of the merch thread from the past year ( I think maybe the 2017 EV solo tour thread?) where he gave great insight to the process, including why he and Ames are grandfathered in so they usually get more flexibility than other artists.
    Wow, thank you.  Found that thread.  It's a great read and BK was certainly being open about the process.  
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/265070/eddie-vedder-2017-merchandise/p1
    what page there's only 63
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    MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,100
    eyecanwalk said:
    Milestone said:
    hihobibo said:
    Look up Brad Klausen's posts in one of the merch thread from the past year ( I think maybe the 2017 EV solo tour thread?) where he gave great insight to the process, including why he and Ames are grandfathered in so they usually get more flexibility than other artists.
    Wow, thank you.  Found that thread.  It's a great read and BK was certainly being open about the process.  
    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/265070/eddie-vedder-2017-merchandise/p1
    what page there's only 63
    Starts on page 20.  Then scattered posts after that, sort of all over the place. 
    11-2-2000 Portland. 12-8-2002 Seattle. 4-18-2003 Nashville. 5-30-2003 Vancouver. 10-25-2003 Bridge School. 9-2-2005 Vancouver.
    7-6-2006 Las Vegas. 7-20-2006 Portland. 7-22-2006 Gorge. 9-21-2009 Seattle. 9-22-2009 Seattle. 9-26-2009 Ridgefield. 9-25-2011 Vancouver.
    11-29-2013 Portland. 10-16-2014 Detroit. 8-8-2018 Seattle. 8-10-2018 Seattle. 8-13-2018 Missoula.
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    andyfarrimondandyfarrimond Posts: 1,962
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Milestone said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    new york 98 had a 2nd printing?  How can you tell if it is a first or 2nd run?
    The numbers were taken from an order sheet from back in the day.  I just copied the runs.  I'm sure that someone has a pic of the actual photo somewhere.
    So I take it that the run #'s are indeed not common public knowledge?
    That is correct.  I forgot how the person obtained the paper but it gave great insight on to what was printed and why certain prints were so hard to find.

    It was Andy I think that was looking for the Perth forever and finally landed one.
    It was Adam McCosh
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,067
    tempo_n_groove said:
    1998 poster print runs

    Maui – 500
    New Zealand – 800
    Melbourne – 800
    Adelaide – 500
    Sydney – 1000
    Brisbane - 500
    Perth- 200
    Missoula – 500
    Salt Lake City - ?
    Denver – 400
    Rapid City – 300
    Chicago – 1300
    Minneapolis – 300
    St. Louis – 400
    Kansas City – 300
    Dallas – 350
    Albuquerque – 500
    Phoenix – 300
    San Diego – 400
    Las Vegas – 400
    Los Angeles – 750
    Sacramento – 300
    Portland – 400
    Vancouver – 300
    Seattle (Benefit) - 200
    Seattle – 1000
    Indianapolis – 350
    East Lansing – 350
    Montreal / Toronto – 850
    Detroit – 450
    Pittsburgh – 450
    Cleveland – 450
    Philly, Camden - 850
    Raleigh – 450
    Atlanta - 450
    Birmingham – 350
    Knoxville – 450
    Virginia – 750
    New York – 1000
    New York (2nd Printing) - ?
    Hartford – 450
    Mansfield – 900
    Columbia – 350
    Washington DC – 475
    West Palm Beach – 500
    Thanks to a burst pipe in a Springfield apartment, I can confirm there is a max of 449 Hartfords out there
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