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MickeyMouse said:

bbiggs said:

KS80184 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

Exactly.  Gotta get the posters to expand out so that they stay up against the wall vs. sliding near the ends of the tubes.  The tube within the tube is worse when they use the flimsy craft paper that won't hold up to any sort of movement against the ends (I tend to use a 3m paper that's more like the consistency of a paper grocery bag when I ship trades).

I think Mickey Mouse was saying the opposite. You do want the print rolled tighter than the diameter of the tube to avoid the sliding around (if it expands to the tube width) and potentially damaging the print if the tube gets dented. As long as the paper around the poster is longer, there is a “buffer” if it shifts from end to end in the tube so that the edges of the print remain untouched. 

Correct. That’s always been my philosophy and how I expect prints to ship and how I ship them as well.  Gotta leave a buffer.  Some will argue against this but I respectfully disagree. 

I agree with you. 

fanofzs said:

buck502000 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

This

Another benefit of "rolling smaller with tape" is if the tube gets dented in transit, there is some buffer for the poster to not get dented.  If the poster is stuck along the inside diameter of the tube, your poster suffers.

This is literally what happened with the Williams variant today when it arrived. Tube was very dented but he rolled it smaller and avoided damage. 

MickeyMouse said:

fanofzs said:

buck502000 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

This

Another benefit of "rolling smaller with tape" is if the tube gets dented in transit, there is some buffer for the poster to not get dented.  If the poster is stuck along the inside diameter of the tube, your poster suffers.

This is literally what happened with the Williams variant today when it arrived. Tube was very dented but he rolled it smaller and avoided damage. 

Must have been some very careless handling by USPS to have a dented tube. Very unfortunate but glad you didn’t have any damage to the print. 

bbiggs said:

MickeyMouse said:

fanofzs said:

buck502000 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

This

Another benefit of "rolling smaller with tape" is if the tube gets dented in transit, there is some buffer for the poster to not get dented.  If the poster is stuck along the inside diameter of the tube, your poster suffers.

This is literally what happened with the Williams variant today when it arrived. Tube was very dented but he rolled it smaller and avoided damage. 

Must have been some very careless handling by USPS to have a dented tube. Very unfortunate but glad you didn’t have any damage to the print. 

Had this happen twice to me. Like they were  playing baseball with the tube. Im
still heart broken. I scored that Ames poster that looks like the clash album from a great fan here and msg 2010 Soto  from another awesome fan. Both way under market and both were horribly damaged by the USPS. Two irreplaceable pieces of art wasted by a careless piece of shit. Sorry. All this talk opened those sore wounds and I had to vent. 

nicknyr15 said:

bbiggs said:

MickeyMouse said:

fanofzs said:

buck502000 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

This

Another benefit of "rolling smaller with tape" is if the tube gets dented in transit, there is some buffer for the poster to not get dented.  If the poster is stuck along the inside diameter of the tube, your poster suffers.

This is literally what happened with the Williams variant today when it arrived. Tube was very dented but he rolled it smaller and avoided damage. 

Must have been some very careless handling by USPS to have a dented tube. Very unfortunate but glad you didn’t have any damage to the print. 

Had this happen twice to me. Like they were  playing baseball with the tube. Im
still heart broken. I scored that Ames poster that looks like the clash album from a great fan here and msg 2010 Soto  from another awesome fan. Both way under market and both were horribly damaged by the USPS. Two irreplaceable pieces of art wasted by a careless piece of shit. Sorry. All this talk opened those sore wounds and I had to vent. 

Still ISO of those 2 btw haha

bbiggs said:

KS80184 said:

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

Exactly.  Gotta get the posters to expand out so that they stay up against the wall vs. sliding near the ends of the tubes.  The tube within the tube is worse when they use the flimsy craft paper that won't hold up to any sort of movement against the ends (I tend to use a 3m paper that's more like the consistency of a paper grocery bag when I ship trades).

I think Mickey Mouse was saying the opposite. You do want the print rolled tighter than the diameter of the tube to avoid the sliding around (if it expands to the tube width) and potentially damaging the print if the tube gets dented. As long as the paper around the poster is longer, there is a “buffer” if it shifts from end to end in the tube so that the edges of the print remain untouched. 

You're right- I misunderstood MM's post.  Still think I'd rather take my chances against the tube wall than letting the poster slide all over and bang up against the ends of the tube in shipping.  The only times I've had issues is when the poster was sliding all over inside and the craft paper wasn't enough of a barrier to the movement.  Those tubes are pretty sturdy and if the tube is damaged you at least might have a claim with the post office.

Scored an Whalen AP from my phone and through Paypal. Delighted. 4 out 5 APs for Boston. Just need a Williams to complete.

I was in Boston with my brother and 2 of our friends for 4 days for the shows. Every time we tried for merch, either 4 hour waits, or no line no posters, so we got some shirts and stuff. We spent our time in the AirBNB pool, the Sam Adams Brewery tour, and seeing the rest of the city.

I was able to go 5/5 on the AP drops.
My brother got all 5 in 1 eBay sale for $300.

NICE!

We did citizens united in NYC in 2015, lines all day, no posters. Very happy how this one worked out.

MickeyMouse said:

buck502000 said:

Klausen Seattle arrived damaged :( - hate to say it because of poor packaging 

Mine arrived today safely but I can see how they’re getting damaged. The tube isn’t the problem, it’s that he isn’t rolling smaller than the width of the tube and taping the paper to make it more like a “paper tube” inside the tube. When the print is rolled and then put in the tube and allowed to expand so the paper is flush with the tube walls, it allows the print to get loose and slide around. That’s where edge and corner damage can unintentionally come from. Mine was fine but it definitely moved around a bunch. 

I packed these posters the same as I have been packing posters for years now. I have never taped the paper inside the tube to the tube. I have received a few emails about seattle posters arriving damaged, I think it is just the paper of the poster, it slides more inside the tube even if you allow the newsprint to unroll in the tube and kinda lock it in place. The poster inside the newsprint still moves unfortunately. 

But I packed these posters the same as I have packed up every poster since I started doing this. If your poster arrives damaged, email me at info@artillerydesign.com... i usually keep aside a few specifically to replace damaged posters but it is possible there may not be enough if say more then 5 people get posters that arrived damaged... if that happens all I can offer is some sort of partial refund, unless the poster is just destroyed beyond recognition... if it will frame out and you plan on framing it, that is another story. 

all good to know though  before shipping boston, I will double check those when I pack them.... like I said though, nothing has changed in how I packed seattle to how I packed every poster over say the last 14 years. Using different paper to print on, like the kraft paper or black paper, that is usually when things get more damaged in transit.