'The Home Shows' X 'The Away Shows' Merch

mikeliska said:

I hear you but if $100 is too much for a poster for your financial situation, then $35 is too much for a poster as well.

JH6056 said:

mikeliska said:

I hear you but if $100 is too much for a poster for your financial situation, then $35 is too much for a poster as well.

Right... because $35 = $100.  Because if buying a meal for a family of 4 at $35 is doable for them, then buying the same meal for $100 is too.  Or if you can splurge on movie tickets on your paycheck for $35, then automatically you can splurge on the same movie for $100.

Remind me to NEVER hire you to be my family or business accountant!  

demetrios said:

PJNB said:

demetrios said:

Whoa!!! Shipping confirmation received from Dan! 

Thought you would have tried for the variant. Still not sure what I did wrong to get logged out. 

When did you log in? I believe we get logged out after 10 minutes or so.

Variant is cool but love the red sky. 

JH6056 said:

mikeliska said:

JH6056 said:

tubes10s said:

JH6056 said:

There are pages and pages of responses I haven't caught up on, so maybe this has been addressed.  But the obvious point you're missing is, a show day is a show day. For those able to take off for a day anyway to go to a show where getting your tickets and getting in may start at 4:00pm, once you're already leaving work early, and especially if you're traveling from further away and need to take the whole day anyway, why not just leave that much earlier and wait in line for hours?  But doing it multiple times?  Or traveling to multiple cities?  You should count your blessings if in your world EACH of these things is an option for ALL.

Again, there are people who couldn't go to ANY of the 2018 shows, despite maybe wanting to more than anything else going on in their lives.  How do you explain that?  You know enough about everyone's responsibilities and financial options to know that going to a show, waiting in line, buying on secondary market is an option "if you just plan accordingly?"  Again, count your blessings.  You're lucky that that's your world, but get it straight, that is NOT everyone's world and a lot more people than you realize really cannot responsibly make the choices you think are for all.

Put me in the group that wasn't able to go to any of the 2018 shows.  It doesn't change how I feel about what choices that I think are for all though.  Maybe some options are much tougher for some than others, but it doesn't mean the option wasn't available.  

I respect that. And... I think it's very dicey (and frankly very presumptous) of anyone to think they know the details of what is and is not available to others.  I know 3 different people for whom saving the money and making the trips (because PJ didn't play near them even though they live in the US) was simply NOT a choice, even though 1 of the 3 got tix through 10Club and tried so hard to get the money together for travel and lodging.  It just wasn't happening for any of them, and not for lack of trying or saving.

No question, sometimes mindset and creativity (and then lots of patience and follow through) are the difference between "No, never happening" and "OMG I made this happen!"  But sometimes the gap between "Hell yeah I'm going/buying!" and "Waaaaah I tried everything... it's not working!" is too great.

My simple point is, some people have far more complicated financial situations and responsibilities than apparently you and several others posting about buying secondary or waiting for 6 hours have.  Never ever presume to know enough to speak for others about what is and isn't a choice is my main point.

But we can all talk about ourselves and those we know and those who post their situations here, because we know those situations.  Just don't assume what seems doable to you is doable for everyone, even in the most optimistic or strategic of mindsets.  Sometimes.... it just AIN'T HAPPENING, and that's real life, but it's upsetting when others act like it just didn't happen because someone didn't try hard enough or wasn't strategic enough.

And I say ALL of this as someone very fortunate to be able to make all this stuff work, including 4 '18 shows and a lot of merch purchased.  But I know many who, even with offers of some help, couldn't make it work, and I KNOW how hard they tried.  No one should tell them they had an option and just didn't make it happen.

The way you post it's like PJ posters are somewhere on the base level of Maslow's hierarchy.  They are an absolutely unnecessary good and if they're expensive or hard to get or whatever, so be it.

Nothing at all about what I said frames posters or even shows as a basic human need.

I am simply responding to posts where people say stuff like "Sometimes it's not worth it and you just buy on secondary market" or "Making it to a show or being able to buy a poster is simply a matter of choice and some planning".  It's not that simple, and some long time or giant fans have wanted to go to a show or buy some PJ merch that they're not able to.

If we can all just agree that no one here knows everyone else's financial situations and responsibilities (like kids or aging parents or small businesses or whatever), and that making statements like that as if anyone can do it is presumptuous and unfair to those who don't have a choice, then we're all on the same page.

But I deal with child welfare (child abuse cases) for a living, so really, I'm the last person you need to worry about being confused about concerts or posters/merch as a basic need.  Super clear they're not.  Just wish some folks would stop assuming that options they have are truly available to all when they're NOT for some.  That's it, that's all.

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