Best American Rock Band Ever

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  • Earth Posts: 2,845

    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • Posts: 16,881
    Wow this thread got buried.

    Anyways... just got back from two days at the Gorge watching DMB. Re-watching the Saturday show on YouTube and having a Space Dust IPA (actually 2 for that matter).

    Sorry haters... DMB is in the discussion and as a solid contender.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,459
    In no position to say, but will always be my favorite rock band. 
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  • British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    After reading tonight's setlist, it's Pearl Jam. I can't believe the thread requests that EV and Co. have catered to. Simply amazing.
  • USA Posts: 11,059
    edited September 2018
    "Three cheers for our military!!! If there is only one song request that is granted this tour, please make it be this one. And, I for one am proud that we finally have a commander in chief, President Donald Trump, that respects, honors, supports and loves are military men, women and their families that also sacrifice so much. Thank you to all of you!!!"

    Me, not so much...
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    2-feign-reluctance said:
    In no position to say, but will always be my favorite rock band. 
    Who you talkin' 'bout?
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  • Brisbane Posts: 1,126
    Okay, I've just skimmed the 9 pages of this and for me, many are letting personal favourites cloud their lists. No way in hell are bands like QOTSA, ID, Foos, Black Crowes etc in the conversation for the GREATEST American Rock band. When you look at some of the album sales alone from these bands, they don't even get near some of the 70's & 80's bands.
    If we are talking about sales, longevity, concerts/Tours, then these bands are the only ones that should be in the discussion IMO - 

    Bruce and E Street Band (if he's accepted as a band)
    Eagles
    Metallica
    Bon Jovi (Not a fan, but can't argue with their popularity/sales and longevity)
    Aerosmith
    GD (Personally don't get it, but I'm not American and have never been exposed to them)
    Tom Petty & HB
    Beach Boys
    Pearl Jam 

    Next Tier
    CCR
    Bob Segar
    Van Halen
    GnR
    REM
    Green Day


    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
    *BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
    *QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
    *Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014
  • British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    edited September 2018
    No Coder said:
    Okay, I've just skimmed the 9 pages of this and for me, many are letting personal favourites cloud their lists. No way in hell are bands like QOTSA, ID, Foos, Black Crowes etc in the conversation for the GREATEST American Rock band. When you look at some of the album sales alone from these bands, they don't even get near some of the 70's & 80's bands.
    If we are talking about sales, longevity, concerts/Tours, then these bands are the only ones that should be in the discussion IMO - 

    Bruce and E Street Band (if he's accepted as a band)
    Eagles
    Metallica
    Bon Jovi (Not a fan, but can't argue with their popularity/sales and longevity)
    Aerosmith
    GD (Personally don't get it, but I'm not American and have never been exposed to them)
    Tom Petty & HB
    Beach Boys
    Pearl Jam 

    Next Tier
    CCR
    Bob Segar
    Van Halen
    GnR
    REM
    Green Day


    I think you're correct - all above artists are in RR HoF, too. Might put REM in tier 1, however.
    Post edited by rummy on
  • Posts: 16,881
    All variables aside... these are album sales within the US:

    Eagles 101 million units sold in the US
    Aerosmith 66.5 million
    Metallica 62 million
    Van Halen 56 million
    Journey 48 million
    GnRoses 44.5 million
    Santana 43.5 million
    Bob Seger 43.5 million
    Chicago 38.5 million
    Foreigner 37 million
    Bon Jovi 34.5 million
    Dave Matthews Band 33.5 million
    The Doors 33 million
    Pearl Jam 31.5 million
    Tom Petty 31.5 million
    Boston 31 million
    Lynyrd Skynyrd 28.5 million
    CCR 28 million
    Nirvana 25 million
    Motley Crue 25 million
    RHCP 25 million
    ZZ Top 25 million

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/entertainment/gallery/successful-rock-bands-history-of-chicago/index.html

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  • Posts: 11,432
    edited September 2018
    rummy said:
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    I think you're correct - all above artists are in RR HoF, too. Might put R.E.M. In tier 1, however.
    Add The Doors to the top list. Swap CCR and Van Halen with PJ and Bon Jovi.

    Bon Jovi has no influence to speak of and I think that’s maybe the most important aspect.
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • Posts: 11,432
    edited September 2018
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    All variables aside... these are album sales within the US:

    Eagles 101 million units sold in the US
    Aerosmith 66.5 million
    Metallica 62 million
    Van Halen 56 million
    Journey 48 million
    GnRoses 44.5 million
    Santana 43.5 million
    Bob Seger 43.5 million
    Chicago 38.5 million
    Foreigner 37 million
    Bon Jovi 34.5 million
    Dave Matthews Band 33.5 million
    The Doors 33 million
    Pearl Jam 31.5 million
    Tom Petty 31.5 million
    Boston 31 million
    Lynyrd Skynyrd 28.5 million
    CCR 28 million
    Nirvana 25 million
    Motley Crue 25 million
    RHCP 25 million
    ZZ Top 25 million

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/entertainment/gallery/successful-rock-bands-history-of-chicago/index.html

    Hard to believe the number of album sales some of those bands have with the number of classic tracks. Skynyrd, CCR and Petty make up half a classic station playlist.
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    edited September 2018
    DewieCox said:
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    Add The Doors to the top list. Swap CCR and Van Halen with PJ and Bon Jovi.
    Yes, definitely add The Doors.

    I appreciate CCR. They might get some extra attention due to the use of their songs in so many films - especially Vietnam movies!

    Not sure if I'd put Van Halen ahead of Pearl Jam.
    Post edited by rummy on
  • Posts: 15,955
    Where’s Springsteen on that list?
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  • Brisbane Posts: 1,126
    rummy said:
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    Yes, definitely add The Doors.

    I appreciate CCR. They might get some extra attention due to the use of their songs in so many films - especially Vietnam movies!

    Not sure if I'd put Van Halen ahead of Pearl Jam.
    Yes, The Doors deserve to be there and REM could have been in Tier 1 too. 

    Van Halen are not in the top tier for me, and I think PJ are far more deserving above them. Bon Jovi likewise deserve to be above Van Halen. They have had major success across 3 decades and were bigger world wide than Van Halen. In the mid to late 80's, possibly into early 90s Bon Jovi were one of the biggest bands in the world and still sold plenty of records and concerts into the 2000's
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
    *BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
    *QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
    *Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014
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    Van Halen has been far more influential and successful than PJ and Bon Jovi. They haven’t always been well ran, but they could announce a tour tomorrow and people would line up to see them. Van Halen was one of the biggest bands in the world for the first 20 years. I think that’s plebtybto longevity.
  • British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    DewieCox said:
    Van Halen has been far more influential and successful than PJ and Bon Jovi. They haven’t always been well ran, but they could announce a tour tomorrow and people would line up to see them. Van Halen was one of the biggest bands in the world for the first 20 years. I think that’s plebtybto longevity.
    MAYBE 12-15 years....were they really that big of a deal when F.U.C.K came out? I suppose...and that "Right Now" video got a lot of attention...I dunno, Van Hagar was still a bit cheesey to me.
  • Posts: 11,432
    edited September 2018
    They’re not my favorite band but almost every album through Balance went 3x platinum, with quite a few exceeding that and a couple certified Diamond. They were even big news heading into VH3, but we know how that turned out. I can’t believe some of those numbers either, but they were a monster.
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  • Brisbane Posts: 1,126
    edited September 2018
    I'm not trying to downplay Van Halen's success, but to say that they have been FAR  more influential and successful than  Bon Jovi is just not accurate. Every Bon Jovi album from 1986-2000 sold over 10 Million worldwide, with Slippery When Wet selling 28 Mil.

    Van Halen were far less successful worldwide. Van Halen have also released only 3 albums after 1995 and I think you can really put their huge success into a 10 year bracket from 78-88. 

    Their record sales smash the Dead's, CCR's and Tom Petty's though.
    Post edited by No Coder on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me

    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1995
    *BEC, Brisbane, March 1998
    *BEC, Brisbane, November 2006
    *QSAC, Brisbane November 2009
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane March 10 and 12 2011
    *Big Day Out, Gold Coast, 19 Jan 2014
    *EV Solo, QPAC, Brisbane, 22,23 & 25 Feb 2014
  • Posts: 11,432
    edited September 2018
    They have been far more influential. Not even a contest.

    And man, those sales numbers ARE ridiculous. Though I don’t think you can discount how long Van Halen was a force in the sales department,  I don’t think sales or concert attendance are the final word. There’s a lot to be said for some semblance of artistic integrity, not chasing every musical fad or outsourcing songwriting. Van Halen were never the headiest band, but they seemed to follow their own pathand a lot of guitarists and quite a few bands followed their lead for a decade or more.

    I don’t think you can put VH’s success in a 10 year window without putting Bon Jovi’s in a 4 year window.
     
    Post edited by DewieCox on
  • British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,466
    Don't forget, a lot of Bon Jovi's success wasn't as much about the music - it was more about JBJ being a heartthrob. 

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