America's Gun Violence
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HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, if Sweden was situated next to or in close proximity to Mexico or South American countries, you'd be seeing the same thing.PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That point is moot.
When I think of immigration and the US... I immediately think of the southern border and the problems your country has there. It is fair to say that this is the crux of the immigration issue for the US in today's social climate. And as I tried to succinctly state in my last post, I don't think it is appropriate to suggest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.
Not only that... if there was a choice to be made between Sweden or the US... people would select either the country offering its citizens the 3rd highest quality of life or the country offering its citizens the 17th highest quality of life.
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No.mace1229 said:
Wouldn't what you just described be a "fatter piece of the pie"?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
In a way we are so welcoming. Many come because there are better opportunities. Mostly because the opportunities they have back home suck (as you pointed out), so yes, its better opportunities.
And our easy immigration laws definitely do attract immigrants. We have some of the easiest laws in the world, but are some of the most criticized for some reason. The idea of free education, free healthcare (if you abuse the system anyway), more rights than were they came from in many cases is definitely a factor.
Desperation does not equate to 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie'. Not in my mind anyways. What you are trying to encapsulate would also encompass Syrians fleeing missiles and gas as 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie' as well.
Leaving a stable home and lifestyle for an even better one is 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie'.
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That was your own projection, we were just comparing the US and Sweden...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That point is moot.
When I think of immigration and the US... I immediately think of the southern border and the problems your country has there. It is fair to say that this is the crux of the immigration issue for the US in today's social climate. And as I tried to succinctly state in my last post, I don't think it is appropriate to suggest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.
Not in the way you were asserting (the US and all its awesomeness is drawing people away from their home countries).
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Are Asians flocking to Sweden too?HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, if Sweden was situated next to or in close proximity to Mexico or South American countries, you'd be seeing the same thing.PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That point is moot.
When I think of immigration and the US... I immediately think of the southern border and the problems your country has there. It is fair to say that this is the crux of the immigration issue for the US in today's social climate. And as I tried to succinctly state in my last post, I don't think it is appropriate to suggest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.0 -
PJPOWER said:
That was your own projection, we were just comparing the US and Sweden...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That point is moot.
When I think of immigration and the US... I immediately think of the southern border and the problems your country has there. It is fair to say that this is the crux of the immigration issue for the US in today's social climate. And as I tried to succinctly state in my last post, I don't think it is appropriate to suggest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.
Not in the way you were asserting (the US and all its awesomeness is drawing people away from their home countries).
Well come on... you were doing the "USA" chant.
I'll put it to rest. In good conscience I have to anyways- the outside is beckoning me and I've killed enough time procrastinating and drinking coffee."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
what is the perceived reason all of these asians are choosing the US over other countries do you think?PJPOWER said:
Are Asians flocking to Sweden too?HughFreakingDillon said:
the point is, if Sweden was situated next to or in close proximity to Mexico or South American countries, you'd be seeing the same thing.PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That point is moot.
When I think of immigration and the US... I immediately think of the southern border and the problems your country has there. It is fair to say that this is the crux of the immigration issue for the US in today's social climate. And as I tried to succinctly state in my last post, I don't think it is appropriate to suggest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I think of a better piece of the pie to include a better life, even if you're fleeing a hard one. Which would apply almost all of the time.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No.mace1229 said:
Wouldn't what you just described be a "fatter piece of the pie"?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
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yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
In a way we are so welcoming. Many come because there are better opportunities. Mostly because the opportunities they have back home suck (as you pointed out), so yes, its better opportunities.
And our easy immigration laws definitely do attract immigrants. We have some of the easiest laws in the world, but are some of the most criticized for some reason. The idea of free education, free healthcare (if you abuse the system anyway), more rights than were they came from in many cases is definitely a factor.
Desperation does not equate to 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie'. Not in my mind anyways. What you are trying to encapsulate would also encompass Syrians fleeing missiles and gas as 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie' as well.
Leaving a stable home and lifestyle for an even better one is 'seeking a fatter piece of the pie'.
I wouldn't argue that in most cases their life is hard and terrible, and living in poverty here is still a lot better than where they came from. But still the goal is to move to improve the quality of life. That is true for those fleeing horrible conditions to those seeking to make it rich.
I get what youre saying though, fatter piece of the pie sometimes implies greed, I just don't always associate it with that.
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One day I d love to visit Sweden but Before that I ll probably visit Texas since it isn’t a hell of a lot cheaper. I think there are gorgeous parts in each country/state . Just my .02 cents. Now way let the battle between ikea and the lone star state continue.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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You’ve got it wrong, but have a great day outside regardless! I’m stuck working indoors today :(Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
That was your own projection, we were just comparing the US and Sweden...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
But they aren’t seeking a better life and opportunities, got it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Most immigrants are of Asian decent as my2hands pointed out...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Lol, okay then...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
Then why do so many people flock here if not for better opportunities than they have elsewhere?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
Convenience.
The country next to a cartel ravaged country is America. That makes America a very attractive to people looking for a safe and normal life.
Are you serious with this response?
Do you think Mexican people (and Central/South American for that matter) are leaving their countries for the US because they simply pursue a change of pace... or maybe a fatter piece of the pie? And that they leave everything behind because the US is so welcoming and there is very little risk?
Wow. No wonder Trump got elected.
There's very little opportunity in Mexico. In many situations, young men can get a job at an all-inclusive serving fat Americans, join an ill-equipped military or an under-funded police force... or they can join a cartel and buy cars, carry pistols and date young women.
Young families that do not want that future for their young sons give up everything they own to seek a better life for their children. They do so on foot and they hike to the nearest country that might be able to afford them this: that's the US... who, coincidentally, fuels the drug trade in Mexico by comprising the bulk of the consumer base (contributing at least in part to the social epidemic Mexico currently endures).
Documented. But every country has their share of documented immigrants. That poingest Hispanic people are enduring what they are enduring because they wish to pursue the American dream. They are doing so out of necessity and desperation.
Not in the way you were asserting (the US and all its awesomeness is drawing people away from their home countries).
Well come on... you were doing the "USA" chant.
I'll put it to rest. In good conscience I have to anyways- the outside is beckoning me and I've killed enough time procrastinating and drinking coffee.
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Del, a Canadian gave me a $5 tip in Canadian money. What is that worth in the u.s? Thirty of forty cents?
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the original point stands, however, about the difference in gun violence. but hey, hit an american with stats they don't like and suddenly it's "not comparable" because of relative numbers.
then you hit them with comparable numbers and it's suddenly "not comparable" because of demographics.
then you hit them with comparable demographics and it's suddenly "not comparable" because of culture.
and so on and so forth.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
gee, how surprising:my2hands said:
Sweden’s far right-wing party blames the government’s liberal immigration policy for the rising crime, and will thrust the issue to the fore in the fall campaign.
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"Swedens middle class" - what is it with the US and always/only focusing on this "middle class". NO ONE in Sweden has ever talked or written about gang violence in relations to (only) "the middle class". Gang violence and regular citizens? Yes. But the US and this fixation on the "middle class"
But yes we do have hand grenades here being smuggled from the Balkan. And yes we do have problems with gangs in certain areas. But what country hasn't?
"Varby Gard has produced a street gang, the Varby Gard Network, which the police have been monitoring for two years. It is led by a Tunisian man and populated by first- and second-generation immigrants from Finland, the Balkans and Africa, said Lars Broms, a detective who is investigating Mr. Zuniga’s death. Intent on protecting its monopoly on the local drug trade, it is fluid and loosely organized, but like other suburban gangs in Sweden, it is developing quickly, he said.“Give them 20 years, and we’ll have the same as in L.A.,” Mr. Broms said."
Twenty years and were like the US. Better act quickly -- More smorgasbord, ombudsman, fika and less violence.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I believe i recently read that most immigrants in Sweden are refugees or from impoverished and/or war torn countries
And this is causing issues within the country socially, culturally, and politically... and is causing a rise of their far right in politics... is that accurate Chaos?
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no one claimed it was.my2hands said:I believe i recently read that most immigrants in Sweden are refugees or from impoverished and/or war torn countries
And this is causing issues within the country socially, culturally, and politically... and is causing a rise of their far right in politics... is that accurate Chaos?
USA isnt the only country with problems and dark forces at work folks
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Why do all the people outside the us like to point out anything and everything that is wrong with the u.s.? Is it because it is a common bond between all of you? The way some of you talk about the United States you would think we are living in North Korea. Yeah we have problems but all countries have problems. Yet some of you have zero issues visiting us to see pj play live.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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because we have family there and don't want them caught in the crossfire because of your precious right to bear arms.mcgruff10 said:Why do all the people outside the us like to point out anything and everything that is wrong with the u.s.? Is it because it is a common bond between all of you? The way some of you talk about the United States you would think we are living in North Korea. Yeah we have problems but all countries have problems.
people in the US like to paint their country as the greatest on the planet, and when someone disagrees, all of sudden we're picking on you. you can't have it both ways.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Swedes are throwing hand grenades at each other and at the police??? Fucking crazy shit lol0
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Ill answer later,. Running from work to a concert with swedish singer/songwriter Jenny Almsenius now. Hopefully I don't have to dodge grenades or wild boar!my2hands said:I believe i recently read that most immigrants in Sweden are refugees or from impoverished and/or war torn countries
And this is causing issues within the country socially, culturally, and politically... and is causing a rise of their far right in politics... is that accurate Chaos?
USA isnt the only country with problems and dark forces at work folks"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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