America's Gun Violence
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Triage is what is supposed to happen in medicine. It’s what allows people to get to the right medical care. One of the faults of the American system is that anyone can go see any medical specialist, if they can pay of course. But Joe on the street doesn’t know what medical care he needs, so why is the decision who he sees up to Joe? If Joe has chest pain, he probably thinks he needs to go see a cardiologist, but Joe doesn’t actually know if his chest pain is cardiac, respiratory, or GI in origin, so he wastes time and money finding an answer. Triage improves care, and lack of it leads to worse care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
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well 5-10K is a LOT for my family.mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
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FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
How much is insurance per month?mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
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What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yes, the US spends more on health care than any other country and gets far worse results. Americans express horror at what they perceive would be the high taxes they would face if they had a proper health care system, but you are already paying more than that in a combination of taxes, contributions to your health insurance, co-pays and bills for things that aren’t covered.mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden. You would be naive to say otherwise. Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing). There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.oftenreading said:
Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true.PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
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yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter.
If your dream is to live in your mom’s basement or in poverty in general, then Sweden may be your place.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
Mine too, and most. But my point was most wouldn't go bankrupt over it. Hospitals would rather you pay $100 a month for a few years than go bankrupt. So it's a huge burden and pain, but there's no reason to go bankrupt if you have insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
well 5-10K is a LOT for my family.mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
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FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.
Those who complain about the 100k hospital bills don't have insurance.0 -
dude, in the link you provided, the cost of living on average is 18% HIGHER IN THE US THAN IT IS IN SWEDEN.PJPOWER said:
There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden. You would be naive to say otherwise. Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing). There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.oftenreading said:
Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true.PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
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FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I pay about $800 out of my paychek and my employer contributes about $1200. So total is about 2 grand a month on premiums. And a doctor visit can still cost hundreds or even thousands on top of that (not a regular checkup, but say ER for a broken arm or something not even life threatening)Spiritual_Chaos said:
How much is insurance per month?mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.0 -
Haha. Sounds like you've really forced yourself to come up with things. Most of which are bullshit. And most also boils down to "we are a bigger country (so we have more pizza places and there are more highways to choose to drive down)". But keep yourself draped in your flag. ONE NATION UNDER GOD.PJPOWER said:
There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden. You would be naive to say otherwise. Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing). There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.oftenreading said:
Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true.PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter.
(How many weeks paid vacation do you Americans have by the way (compared to us Swedes who you say can't afford to have vacations?)?)Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I completely agree with you. I wouldn't have about 10 years ago when my premiums were under $100 a month. But the cost has exploded way beyond normal inflation rates. But it makes no sense to pay what we pay, and still have costs above that.oftenreading said:
Yes, the US spends more on health care than any other country and gets far worse results. Americans express horror at what they perceive would be the high taxes they would face if they had a proper health care system, but you are already paying more than that in a combination of taxes, contributions to your health insurance, co-pays and bills for things that aren’t covered.mace1229 said:
Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed.
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.0 -
PJPOWER said:
I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations. There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology.PJPOWER said:
I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”. I actually love many aspects of Sweden. I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet. I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden. Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips. Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.HughFreakingDillon said:
not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
yeah, what a shithole country. LOL
I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering.
"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc.
I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it.
Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.
Ah yes.
The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!
Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.
The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden? And, I could probably afford to go to Sweden for a visit any time I want. And no, my income isn’t crazy stupid high (maybe it would be to someone in Sweden though).HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
What are you basing this on?PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden. In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.HughFreakingDillon said:
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
Another reason Sweden would be better compared to single states than the whole country.
Anyways, to each their own, I’m sure Sweden is a great place to live (during the Summer anyway).Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
do the math.PJPOWER said:
Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden. In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.HughFreakingDillon said:
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
13% lower income in sweden
41% higher housing costs than sweden
yes, there are many other factors at play, but man, in my opinion, Sweden for the win.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
You are saying that Sweden only have high prices cities to live and work in?PJPOWER said:
Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden. In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.HughFreakingDillon said:
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
What do you work with? How much do you make, before and after taxes?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
There is an actual debate where someone is suggesting the US has a higher standard of living than Sweden?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Well when you are averaging in million dollar condos in cities...Comparing Sweden to the US is apples and oranges is the main point of this all. They do not even compare in diversity or size (land and population). Not even close.HughFreakingDillon said:
do the math.PJPOWER said:
Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden. In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.HughFreakingDillon said:
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
13% lower income in sweden
41% higher housing costs than sweden
yes, there are many other factors at play, but man, in my opinion, Sweden for the win.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
Why are you comparing then?PJPOWER said:
Well when you are averaging in million dollar condos in cities...Comparing Sweden to the US is apples and oranges is the main point of this all. They do not even compare in diversity or size (land and population). Not even close.HughFreakingDillon said:
do the math.PJPOWER said:
Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden. In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.HughFreakingDillon said:
once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards.PJPOWER said:
What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden?HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things.HughFreakingDillon said:
what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.PJPOWER said:
Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet. Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.Spiritual_Chaos said:In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 1.60
In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is
2015: 11.30
LAND
OF
THE
FREEhttp://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden
What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?
Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?
I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?
But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.
I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house.
13% lower income in sweden
41% higher housing costs than sweden
yes, there are many other factors at play, but man, in my opinion, Sweden for the win.
Just concede. No need to Roy Moore-ing this.
And
1.6 gun related deaths per 100.000 is better than 11. And still people hunt without any problems. Even though you think no hunters exist in Sweden.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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