America's Gun Violence

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Triage is what is supposed to happen in medicine. It’s what allows people to get to the right medical care. One of the faults of the American system is that anyone can go see any medical specialist, if they can pay of course. But Joe on the street doesn’t know what medical care he needs, so why is the decision who he sees up to Joe? If Joe has chest pain, he probably thinks he needs to go see a cardiologist, but Joe doesn’t actually know if his chest pain is cardiac, respiratory, or GI in origin, so he wastes time and money finding an answer. Triage improves care, and lack of it leads to worse care.  

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 

Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

 

I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 

Really only those who go bankrupt are those without insurance.
I hate our system, so I'm not saying its great. But no one with insurance pays 100k in medical bills. Most plans have a max out of pocket in the 5-10k range (meaning after 5k the insurance pays for all the bills), and hospitals will work with you to pay that off in installments if needed. 
My biggest complaint is with our cost of monthly premiums, everything should be free. We could probably run socialized medicine with just the cost of our premiums, and not have to pay $3,000 for a hospital visit on top of that.

How much is insurance per month? 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

yeah, what a shithole country. LOL

I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.

I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.

I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.

Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true. 

Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter. 

There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden.  You would be naive to say otherwise.  Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing).  There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.

If your dream is to live in your mom’s basement or in poverty in general, then Sweden may be your place.

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

yeah, what a shithole country. LOL

I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.

I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.

I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.

Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true. 

Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter. 

There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden.  You would be naive to say otherwise.  Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing).  There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.

dude, in the link you provided, the cost of living on average is 18% HIGHER IN THE US THAN IT IS IN SWEDEN. 

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

yeah, what a shithole country. LOL

I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.

I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.

I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.

Are you absolutely sure about that, or is this just what you're taught to believe? Because I don't believe that to be true. 

Edit: Unless your "dream" is to become a mass shooter. 

There are a ton more educational/career opportunities in the US than in Sweden.  You would be naive to say otherwise.  Right now, I am free to choose to go to whatever doctor I want, go to hundreds if not thousands of different universities, eat what I want whenever I want, hunt and fish a variety of species, send my child to whatever school I want, take vacations because I can choose to live in a place where cost of living is low and wages and income is good, tons of options of sporting events without having to travel abroad (if that is your thing).  There is no government alcohol monopoly...Many of things directly correlate to not living on an Island, so maybe comparing Sweden to Hawaii would be a more apples to apples approach.

Haha. Sounds like you've really forced yourself to come up with things. Most of which are bullshit. And most also boils down to "we are a bigger country (so we have more pizza places and there are more highways to choose to drive down)". But keep yourself draped in your flag. ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

(How many weeks paid vacation do you Americans have by the way (compared to us Swedes who you say can't afford to have vacations?)?)

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

not to mention live longer, and have a 55% LESS CHANCE OF DYING IN INFANCY. pay 50% less for housing, and 40% less for child care. 

yeah, what a shithole country. LOL

I didn’t say it was a “shithole country”.  I actually love many aspects of Sweden.  I just am not in a race to pack my bags and move there quite yet.  I think I would feel a bit too “governed” in Sweden.  Not to mention, I like a variety in my cross country road trips.  Sweden would be better compared to a single state in the US than the whole country, culturally and population wise.

I know you didn't, I was using your president's terminology. 

I was amazed at the infant death thing. Like, why do so many infants die in the US? that number is staggering. 

"too governed"? I have this feeling that a lot of americans feel free simply because they are told they are, not because it's fact. if by "governed" you mean that there are more services available for everyone to enjoy, then yes, I suppose that might be the case. But I don't know if you'd necessarily "feel" it. You (in general) might bitch about your taxes, but I'm of the line of thinking that I'd be more than happy to pay more taxes if it meant my community was stronger, more people could afford to live comfortably, etc. 

I'm not looking for a communist state by any means, but if more money is put into the pool to elevate everyone and not just the rich, I'm all for it. 

Yeah, the "too governed" thing is a crock. Given their litigious nature, American society has rules upon regulations upon bylaws. I feel far more free, and demonstrably am more free, when traveling or living in Europe than in the US.

I would say that “freedom” is subjective to everyone’s individual interpretations.  There are way more opportunities to choose the course of your life and “follow your dreams” in the US than in Sweden.

Ah yes.

The 'American Dream' corporations have sold to the people: all this can be yours!

Capitalists saw how effective religions were attracting people to their way of thinking by promising things that seem so damn awesome. They developed their own mantra and the people fell in line.

The only people realizing the 'American Dream' in America these days are the people born into one.

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 

Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

 

I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 

What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden? 

once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 

Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

 

I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 

What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden? 

once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards. 

Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden.  In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.
Another reason Sweden would be better compared to single states than the whole country.
Anyways, to each their own, I’m sure Sweden is a great place to live (during the Summer anyway).

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 

Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

 

I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 

What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden? 

once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards. 

Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden.  In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.

You are saying that Sweden only have high prices cities to live and work in?

What do you work with? How much do you make, before and after taxes?

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

In Sweden, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 1.60

In the United States, the annual rate of all gun deaths per 100,000 population is 
2015: 11.30

LAND 
OF
THE 
FREE

Well, I guess if I ever want to be broke, live in a society with little cultural diversity, never go hunting, get stuck in a triage any time I visit the doctor, I will move to Sweden...Not packing my bags quite yet.  Until then, yes, I will enjoy my American freedom.

http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/country-size-comparison/united-states/sweden

Why would you be broke? What do you work with - executing death penalties, sewing ku klux klan-costumes or a coal mining startup? maybe you will have a problem finding those kind of jobs, but the good thing is that if you are unemployed you get economic aid.

What kind of cultural diversity do you have that impact your life, that we lack?

Why would you not be hunting? Roughly 3% of Swedens population have a "hunting permit". You do know large areas of our country is covered in forests?

I don't know what "triage" means. Does it mean paying $100.000 if you need care after an heart attack? Or is that the US system?

what he means here by triage is basically you've been seen by a nurse, lying on a bed somewhere, sometimes in a hallway, waiting a long time to see a doctor. 

Sometimes you have to wait. Like in most countries. It could be better. Like with all things. 

But it must be better to have to sometime wait but survive, then to die? Sweden, in saving patients is in this study 4th place - the US, what place do they have? Not a good sign for people coming in with gun wounds.

 

I'm not sure if it's a live vs die comparison, rather a wait (Sweden/Canada) vs go bankrupt (US) scenario.

I'd rather wait for a few hours than have to remortgage my house. 

What house? The mortgage on my 2400 square foot house with a large backyard is pretty much payed off and probably did not cost a hundredth of what it would cost anywhere in Sweden? 

once again, in Sweden housing costs 41% LESS than in the US. I think you are reading your link's info backwards. 

Yes, but income is far lower and that is pretty standard across ALL of Sweden.  In the US, there are plenty of options other than the high priced cities to live and work.

do the math. 

13% lower income in sweden
41% higher housing costs than sweden

yes, there are many other factors at play, but man, in my opinion, Sweden for the win. 

Well when you are averaging in million dollar condos in cities...Comparing Sweden to the US is apples and oranges is the main point of this all.  They do not even compare in diversity or size (land and population).  Not even close.