The Ocean. Fishing & Whaling. Sustainable? Illegal? Over fished?

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Full time cold and damp would probably get to me but if I were younger and had more energy to offer, I would put in for an antarctic winter.  There's a documentary that talks about the few people that station over down there for the southern hemisphere winter.  Sounds gnarly to me!
    I've watched a few youtube videos on Antarctica ... you spending a year there would probably be right up your alley, with all the climate change research being done in Antartica.  

    Moving to Alaska probably means owning a truck or SVU 4*4 ... I bet there are a lot of those vehicles in Alaska.
    Depends on where you live.  In Ketchikan, where my step daughter lives, you could get around fine with a scooter.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    If you are holed up nice and cozy none of this will really matter.  You can just go out when u want and enjoy it for what it is.

    Summer you'd have fun.  Salmon everywhere!!!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    If you are holed up nice and cozy none of this will really matter.  You can just go out when u want and enjoy it for what it is.

    Summer you'd have fun.  Salmon everywhere!!!
    I would hate the summers in AK.  Ketchikan might be OK because is is further south (really should be part of Canada) but a town like Fairbanks where it's only sort of dark for 6 hours at night?  No!

    As for salmon- watching them for a little while would be OK but that would get old fast.  And of course I would never eat them.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    If you are holed up nice and cozy none of this will really matter.  You can just go out when u want and enjoy it for what it is.

    Summer you'd have fun.  Salmon everywhere!!!
    I would hate the summers in AK.  Ketchikan might be OK because is is further south (really should be part of Canada) but a town like Fairbanks where it's only sort of dark for 6 hours at night?  No!

    As for salmon- watching them for a little while would be OK but that would get old fast.  And of course I would never eat them.
    A fresh sockeye is sooooo tasty!

    I was up so high we only had 3 hours of darkness.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    If you are holed up nice and cozy none of this will really matter.  You can just go out when u want and enjoy it for what it is.

    Summer you'd have fun.  Salmon everywhere!!!
    I would hate the summers in AK.  Ketchikan might be OK because is is further south (really should be part of Canada) but a town like Fairbanks where it's only sort of dark for 6 hours at night?  No!

    As for salmon- watching them for a little while would be OK but that would get old fast.  And of course I would never eat them.
    A fresh sockeye is sooooo tasty!

    I was up so high we only had 3 hours of darkness.
    No seafood whatsoever for me, but that's just me.

    Only 3 hours darkness?  Oh man!  I would look like this:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    If you are holed up nice and cozy none of this will really matter.  You can just go out when u want and enjoy it for what it is.

    Summer you'd have fun.  Salmon everywhere!!!
    I would hate the summers in AK.  Ketchikan might be OK because is is further south (really should be part of Canada) but a town like Fairbanks where it's only sort of dark for 6 hours at night?  No!

    As for salmon- watching them for a little while would be OK but that would get old fast.  And of course I would never eat them.
    A fresh sockeye is sooooo tasty!

    I was up so high we only had 3 hours of darkness.
    X2  Wish I had some to eat!  Cedar plank sockeye is definitely one of my top 10 fave foods!
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    Volcan, Panama: Discover Panama’s Other Mountain Town

    https://vivatropical.com/panama/volcan

    Hows your Spanish Brian.  I read about this place years ago ... seems quite lovely.  And you are elevated from rising Oceans...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!

    Why do you think most of Canada's population is along the southern border ... The north in general is a very cold, can be inhospitable and the summers are much shorter ... most people from the southern areas who go up north in pleasant weather for vacation can barely make it a week or 2 because of such pest as black flies...

    The beauty of the north is almost unmatched anywhere ... and the north has a much smaller population which makes vacationing in the north worth it.  I like the North, definitely have a Alaska on my bucket list ... I'm used to cold weather, enjoy cold weather actually ... but even I do not want to live in the north permanently ... I do not like seeing snow after March and before the middle of October ... lol.
    Black flies?  What about the damn mosquitoes?  They are the size of pterodactyls I tell you!
    I have read that the mosquitoes are bad in Alaska.  We are destroying Brians dream ...
    I may have to go jump off a tall building.  Not sure but will think about it.  Thanks guys.

    :lol:
    Volcan, Panama: Discover Panama’s Other Mountain Town

    https://vivatropical.com/panama/volcan

    Hows your Spanish Brian.  I read about this place years ago ... seems quite lovely.  And you are elevated from rising Oceans...
    Hablo Espaniol un poco pero es no mucho.   Looks tantalizing!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Ketchikan sounds like a nice place except for the 153" of rain they get a year ... yikes ... I'll pass.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Ketchikan sounds like a nice place except for the 153" of rain they get a year ... yikes ... I'll pass.
    Rain, I love it!


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I'll pass.  I like the climate where I live for the most part.  Long summers and short winters are fine by me...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I agree the whales should be off limits except for the indeginous population..
    Except you forget one thing.  This is NOT your land ... the indigenous people should not need your approval ... hate to breakout it to you, sustenance hunters are not the problem...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I agree the whales should be off limits except for the indeginous population..
    Except you forget one thing.  This is NOT your land ... the indigenous people should not need your approval ... hate to breakout it to you, sustenance hunters are not the problem...
    Show me a land whale!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Ask yourself this question:  If the oceans are not over-fished, why are fishermen and women having to go further and further out to sea?  That is how Salvador Alverenga ended up stranded in the Pacific ocean for 438 day (the story of which is told in Jonathan Franklin's excellent book 438 Days).  It is why Raul Gomez spends longer time at sea catching smaller tuna (that story is here:  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/aug/23/they-are-taking-out-a-generation-of-tuna-overfishing-causes-crisis-in-philippines

    The evidence is plain to see.  The ocean are being over-fished.  I don't know why anyone would argue they are not. 

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    I agree the whales should be off limits except for the indeginous population..
    Except you forget one thing.  This is NOT your land ... the indigenous people should not need your approval ... hate to breakout it to you, sustenance hunters are not the problem...
    Show me a land whale!
    Oh for fucks sakes ... do you think their jumping in their fishing boats  and are heading hundreds of miles off coast ... they are fishing and whaling in their usual fishing and whaling grounds their ancestors fished and hunted for whales ... you have no say over indigenous people .... and you shouldn’t .... I can safely say First Nations people in Canada would gladly tell you where to go if you think you can trample on their hunting and fishing rights...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    brianlux said:
    I agree the whales should be off limits except for the indeginous population..
    Except you forget one thing.  This is NOT your land ... the indigenous people should not need your approval ... hate to breakout it to you, sustenance hunters are not the problem...
    Show me a land whale!
    Oh for fucks sakes ... do you think their jumping in their fishing boats  and are heading hundreds of miles off coast ... they are fishing and whaling in their usual fishing and whaling grounds their ancestors fished and hunted for whales ... you have no say over indigenous people .... and you shouldn’t .... I can safely say First Nations people in Canada would gladly tell you where to go if you think you can trample on their hunting and fishing rights...
    Actually, being on the side of the whales, I do have a say.  You can disagree with it, fine, but it's how I see it and how I call it. 

    And I've stood up for Native people many a time in these forums- more than most- but this is one time I don't agree with a certain practice.  If anyone tell me "where to go" that's a reflection on their close minded thinking. But dig this,  I think a lot of natives would agree with me.  I'd bet on it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    LMFAO...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739



    LMFAO....
    Give Peas A Chance…