Report details sexual abuse by more than 300 priests in Pennsylvania's Catholic Church

j1kotwic said:

rgambs said:

Outrage, what a joke.

You'll still be there, you'll still put money in the pot, you'll still defend the church by playing the "poor bullied Catholic" line...bottom line, you will take money out of your pocket this week and forever to pay child rapists and their protectors no matter how many kids get raped.

Because of the scandals that have continued to plague the catholic church, you and many on here have judged 1/7th of the world's population and declared all catholics to be in favor of or complicit with rape and therefore bad people. I expect outrage towards those involved and those who allowed it to happen. But did not expect to see so much widespread hate towards so many who have no involvement.  Because we put money in the basket? We have many poor at mass who do not put money in because they can't afford it. Are they bad people? Or is it just people who give money? Tell me, the people that give money are they giving it because they believe it is going towards a good cause? What pretenses are they giving money?  Think it's going to the salvation army, red cross, people in need? Pay the utilities at the church?  This is where my church's donations go. Or do you just see it as a billion people donating into a rapist priest defense fund?  Seems like the latter is the way you guys see it. This is what you want to believe? If that's the case than just fuck it, humanity is doomed. Fucking cynics.  

And no, Not a poor bullied catholic here. Im not looking for sympathy or your approval. Don't need it.  Im just saying you guys are generalizing and judging so many people and it's wrong. Im honestly surprised to see that here. Most Catholics are good people. Just like most Jews are good people. Just like most muslims are good people. Just like most atheists are good people. Just like most humans are good people...  

There are some bad people that have infiltrated the catholic religion just as they do in society. Some church leadership protected these horrible criminals and ruined people's lives. They put the public relations of the catholic church before its own people and it is so wrong. The fact that there has been a 70 year history of this and the grand jury found that this behavior is continuing is despicable. Very dark times to be a catholic.  

But get out of here with your "1.2 billion catholic people are bad people who are complicit with rape" bullshit. Be angry with rapists, the enablers, protectors and church leadership who allowed this to happen. Dont be angry with the catholic person who truly lives the faith, loves one another and respects all human life. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Catholic Church has been fraught with pedophiles since day one. 

One can look at residential schools in Canada (which were horror houses) as a classic example of a more recent past marked by sickness. And nothing has changed: it's been business as usual in modern day churches- as evidenced in this most understated and completely obscene story.

The level of complicity is hard to determine with any great degree of accuracy, but aside from the number of actual deviants themselves which is staggering... church officials, some parents, and others associated with the church (that know about the abuse but do not disclose) comprise a number far greater than 'just a few'.

To boot... if an organization I was involved with was exposed as abusing children on a grand scale... I would not be supporting it in any way and would be looking to remove myself from it in every manner possible. If I was to maintain my status as a contributing member... well... 

not to minimize the catholic church's role in this, but remember they did so at the behest of the canadian government. 

rgambs said:

j1kotwic said:

pjhawks said:

Bentleyspop said:

About 30 years ago i asked a very catholic co-worker what she thought about the latest catholic priest child abuse scandal and her response  was  " there are no gay priests". This from an educated person.

I tried to explain  the difference between a homosexuality and a pedophile but she wasn't  having it.

To this day the catholic church and its adherents have their collective and complic heads in the sand and should be ashamed that they still allow this horror and coverup to continue.

I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic grade school.  No  longer practicing for many reasons but I still know many people who still participate. It boggles my mind sometimes to think these same people would never go to any other place or send their children to any other place that has harbored more pedophile's than the Catholic church.  it's disgusting how little moral outrage there is from practicing Catholics on this issue.

Edit: and that report doesn't include the Archdiocese of Philadelphia which is the largest in the state of Pennsylvania so that is only a portion of the cases.

 

1.2 billion Catholics are complicit and not outraged by this? Im a practicing catholic and I am outraged. I guess I must be an anomaly.

What is it called when you judge an entire group of people based on the action (or inaction) of a few)? 

You put money in the plate when it goes around?  You buy their fish on Fridays?  Go to their beer garden?

That's complicity, your money is being used to protect child rapists.

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

He's going to have to drop the whole vow of chastity thing for priests and allow women equal power in the Church to accomplish that, and he's not going to do either of those things.

while I agree the equal power thing is necessary, why specifically in the context of sexual abuse would that matter?