America's Gun Violence

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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,405
    edited August 2018
    Jason P said:
    73 shot. 11 dead. Police have no leads.  

    You do not need untracable weapons when no one wants to cooperate with the cops who they somehow deem a greater menace. 
    The article I read stated 44 shootings. Either way, shootings are going to happen as long as guns exist. I like how dismissive you are of any issues that may arise from 3D printed guns though. Nice deflection. Let's continue to do nothing and keep making and selling guns as much as possible. Yeah guns!!!
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
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  • PJPOWER
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    Meltdown99 said:
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
    Isn’t that just a step above a normal weekend for Chiraq?

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,405
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
    Isn’t that just a step above a normal weekend for Chiraq?

    No, it's actually not, and believe it or not, shootings there have been down. I would be interested to see a statistical breakdown of these shootings based on area. I would estimate that these shootings occur in the same areas over and over again. Chicago is a massive city and this is only representing the shit. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    tbergs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
    Isn’t that just a step above a normal weekend for Chiraq?

    No, it's actually not, and believe it or not, shootings there have been down. I would be interested to see a statistical breakdown of these shootings based on area. I would estimate that these shootings occur in the same areas over and over again. Chicago is a massive city and this is only representing the shit. 
    Oh, okay, haven’t compared too much, but every Monday I see an article about Chicago’s weekend’s violence.  Figured it was just a regular ol’ gangsta goodtime, lol
  • unsung
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    benjs said:
    mace1229 said:
    It’s less of a concern because I see it more as a novelty for those who already own guns to say they printed and made one, than for someone to try to obtain a gun who isn’t legally allowed to own one. There’s already a gun problem, there’s much easier ways to get one illegally than this.
    Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.

    I don’t mean to minimize, printing one piece at a time and assembling one at a time still seems like a very daunting task, makes little difference in my opinion.

    for the record, I dont think I’ve ever spent more than an hour on ikea furniture, and that’s after giving up on the directions, swearing and redrilling some new holes that properly align and doing it myself.
    I think it’s safe to assume the US has at least enough unethical opportunists that it’ll be a matter of weeks before an individual has started up a business, mass producing parts on 3D printers, and hiring either undocumented immigrants or gang members to help produce and illegally distribute them for a high-profit venture (and for the customer, a low-price weapon without a background check). I don’t see that as all so far fetched.
    Creating these for sales is already illegal.  

    Are you saying that the prevalence of these types of individuals present a problem?
  • unsung
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    PJPOWER said:
    tbergs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
    Isn’t that just a step above a normal weekend for Chiraq?

    No, it's actually not, and believe it or not, shootings there have been down. I would be interested to see a statistical breakdown of these shootings based on area. I would estimate that these shootings occur in the same areas over and over again. Chicago is a massive city and this is only representing the shit. 
    Oh, okay, haven’t compared too much, but every Monday I see an article about Chicago’s weekend’s violence.  Figured it was just a regular ol’ gangsta goodtime, lol
    60 shot in the last four days, good ol gun control.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,181
    unsung said:
    PJPOWER said:
    tbergs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Violent weekend in Chicago as shootings leave at least 11 dead, 70 wounded

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4372850/chicago-shootings-last-weekend-leave-at-least-11-dead-70-wounded/?utm_source=GlobalToronto&utm_medium=Facebook
    Isn’t that just a step above a normal weekend for Chiraq?

    No, it's actually not, and believe it or not, shootings there have been down. I would be interested to see a statistical breakdown of these shootings based on area. I would estimate that these shootings occur in the same areas over and over again. Chicago is a massive city and this is only representing the shit. 
    Oh, okay, haven’t compared too much, but every Monday I see an article about Chicago’s weekend’s violence.  Figured it was just a regular ol’ gangsta goodtime, lol
    60 shot in the last four days, good ol gun control.
    Nope, good ‘ol gun sales to straw purchasers going to that Shangra la of indianer.
     
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Ok...,I’m totally on board for regulations on guns....

    but i I found this to be pretty hilarious. 
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    I'm glad you find this country's unhealthy obsession with guns amusing.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
    A: how do? Wild West duels were actually pretty rare even back in the Wild West days, more of a Hollywood thing. I have never heard of a modern shooting where 2 people duel it out.

    B: No we don’t.
    https://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/apr/010430.execution.html
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
    Our country still has public executions?  Do they sell tickets on ticketmaster or stubhub?
    And remember, it is not the wild west unless there is spaghetti western music playing while tumble weeds are blowing down the dirt road Main Street ;)
    Anyways, just clowning around a bit, have a great day :)
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
    A: how do? Wild West duels were actually pretty rare even back in the Wild West days, more of a Hollywood thing. I have never heard of a modern shooting where 2 people duel it out.

    B: No we don’t.
    https://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/apr/010430.execution.html
    A.  A duel is nothing more than settling an argument with weapons. Pretty standard these days. 

    B. Public in the sense that a fairly large number of people not related to the mechanics of the execution are allowed to attend. Timothy McVeigh’s execution had 300 people in attendance. They include relatives, the victim’s family, reporters, and others. 
     
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  • mcgruff10
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    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
    A: how do? Wild West duels were actually pretty rare even back in the Wild West days, more of a Hollywood thing. I have never heard of a modern shooting where 2 people duel it out.

    B: No we don’t.
    https://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/apr/010430.execution.html
    A.  A duel is nothing more than settling an argument with weapons. Pretty standard these days. 

    B. Public in the sense that a fairly large number of people not related to the mechanics of the execution are allowed to attend. Timothy McVeigh’s execution had 300 people in attendance. They include relatives, the victim’s family, reporters, and others. 
     

    The over 200 witnesses to the execution of Timothy McVeigh were mostly survivors and victims' relatives of the Oklahoma City bombing.

    The last public execution in the U.S. was that of Rainey Bethea in Owensboro, Kentucky, on August 14, 1936.

    It was the last execution in the nation at which the general public was permitted to attend without any legally imposed restrictions. "Public execution" is a legal phrase, defined by the laws of various states, and carried out pursuant to a court order. Similar to "public record" or "public meeting", it means that anyone who wants to attend the execution may do so.

    Around 1890, a political movement developed in the United States to mandate private executions. Several states enacted laws which required executions to be conducted within a "wall" or "enclosure", or to "exclude public view". Most states laws currently use such explicit wording to prohibit public executions, while others do so only implicitly by enumerating the only authorized witnesses.[139]

    All states allow news reporters to be execution witnesses for information of the general public, except Wyoming which allow only witnesses authorized by the condemned.[140][141][142] Several states also allow victims' families and relatives selected by the prisoner to watch executions. An hour or two before the execution, the condemned is offered religious services and to choose his last meal (except in Texas which abolished it in 2011).

    The execution of Timothy McVeigh on June 11, 2001, was witnessed by over 200 people, most by closed-circuit television.

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Jason P said:
    73 shot. 11 dead. Police have no leads.  

    You do not need untracable weapons when no one wants to cooperate with the cops who they somehow deem a greater menace. 
    $20 says you wouldn't cooperate either if you lived in that community because you would know your head would get blown off or your house burned down... fear, intimidation, and retribution is a very real thing 
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited August 2018
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    It's sad the the United States hasn't moved past the wild west.
    That’s what I was thinking as I was riding my horse to work today and passed several street duals and public hangings.  
    Exhibit A - most of the shootings that occur could be considered modern versions of duels; unfortunately, with more accurate weapons. 

    Exhibit B - your country still has public executions. 
    A: how do? Wild West duels were actually pretty rare even back in the Wild West days, more of a Hollywood thing. I have never heard of a modern shooting where 2 people duel it out.

    B: No we don’t.
    https://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/2001/apr/010430.execution.html
    A.  A duel is nothing more than settling an argument with weapons. Pretty standard these days. 

    B. Public in the sense that a fairly large number of people not related to the mechanics of the execution are allowed to attend. Timothy McVeigh’s execution had 300 people in attendance. They include relatives, the victim’s family, reporters, and others. 
     
    What you described is exactly what a public execution is not. Only those involved, victims or their families were allowed to attend. That’s not public at all.

    I could t find any data on the shootings in a short search, but I would surprised if most shootings were settling an argument in the sense that a dual did. I would agree that most murders the victim knows the attacker, and is likely the result of a disagreement. But usually only one party thinks to solve it with a gun, so not what I would consider a “duel” in any sense. Definitely not common, and certainly not most, shootings happen when both parties shoot each each other until one dies. And that’s what I think of when you relate it to a “wild west duel.”
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Had a gang presentation from my local city police task force that deals with such things.... very knowledge folks....

    A Cabelas opened in our area about 2 years ago... it is commonly referred to as "The Candy Store" by these folks because a large amount of guns being used in our local gun violence are being bought right at Cabelas... guys as young as 14 are shopping on their phones on the Cabelas website, pick a gun they want, and get a drug addict or someone else without a record willing to make quick cash to go make the straw purchase... they are taking orders on what they want and filling them.... next thing you know, it's used to murder a 17 year old 

    Beautiful country we've got.


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