America's Gun Violence
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Yeah, I highly doubt the NRA is in any danger of going away. Just a bunch of crooks trying to protect and make more money.Halifax2TheMax said:
A ruse for donations? Or an explanation for why they’ve accepted money from Russian oligarchs and and donated to campaigns targeting very specific districts in key states?dignin said:The NRA Says It’s in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be ‘Unable to Exist’
A new legal filing by the powerful gun group against the state of New York paints a grim picture
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/0 -
I am not offended by it or anything, but I fail to see the humor. What's funny about that?mcgruff10 said:
Yes captain, I know it is shocking but some of my friends are pro second amendment and I do like some gun groups. So it isn’t really suprising that some people and groups posted this meme.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Says more about what kind of people you chose to befriend on facebook and what groups you're part of - than it being funny.mcgruff10 said:
I think it Is funny as hell. This one is all over Facebook. And FYI, the safety is on.HesCalledDyer said:
What *finger quotes* "responsible member" of our well-regulated militia came up with this?unsung said:
Looks like something Ted Nugent would tweet.
It isn't clever or original, it doesn't make any sort of statement... What's funny?
It's on a level with: You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish.
In fact, it's not even as funny/witty as that.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
It is a factor for sure. A person with bad intent can now produce their own firearm off the books, use it to murder somebody, and fairly easily destroy the weapon altogether afterwards. That's bad enough, but add to it that the gun is very hard to detect and can be assembled quickly on scene from inconspicuous parts... It's a bit scary.mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.
Imagine what happens when street gangs start printing their own single-use murder tools.
It's a crazy future we are looking at.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
They can't function because they can't get anyone to provide General Liability Insurance.dignin said:
Yeah, I highly doubt the NRA is in any danger of going away. Just a bunch of crooks trying to protect and make more money.Halifax2TheMax said:
A ruse for donations? Or an explanation for why they’ve accepted money from Russian oligarchs and and donated to campaigns targeting very specific districts in key states?dignin said:The NRA Says It’s in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be ‘Unable to Exist’
A new legal filing by the powerful gun group against the state of New York paints a grim picture
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/
This is literally the free market saying that guns are a liability to a functioning society.
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mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
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They can't function because they can't get anyone to provide General Liability Insurance.dignin said:
Yeah, I highly doubt the NRA is in any danger of going away. Just a bunch of crooks trying to protect and make more money.Halifax2TheMax said:
A ruse for donations? Or an explanation for why they’ve accepted money from Russian oligarchs and and donated to campaigns targeting very specific districts in key states?dignin said:The NRA Says It’s in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be ‘Unable to Exist’
A new legal filing by the powerful gun group against the state of New York paints a grim picture
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/
This is literally the free market saying that guns are a liability to a functioning society.
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https://www.weeklystandard.com/holmes-lybrand/fact-check-can-you-make-an-ar-15-with-a-3d-printer
Fact Check: Can You Make an AR-15 With a 3D Printer?
Um, no.Much has been made over the recent court settlement that allowed the Texas- based company Defense Distributed (DD) to legally upload gun “blueprints” on its website. Eight states have now sued DD, and President Donald Trump chimed in Tuesday with a tweet:
What did the court case actually decide? A press release from the lawyers representing DD explains:
SAF and Defense Distributed had filed suit against the State Department under the Obama administration, challenging a May 2013 attempt to control public speech as an export under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), a Cold War-era law intended to control exports of military articles.
Under terms of the settlement, the government has agreed to waive its prior restraint against the plaintiffs, allowing them to freely publish the 3-D files and other information at issue.Some outlets peddled the notion that the court case established that 3D-printing guns was suddenly legal or that the files/blueprints necessary would start to appear online for the first time; neither of these things is true. The files have been available online for years and the legality surrounding 3D-printed components of guns has not changed. Some outlets went further.
"Americans will soon be able to make 3D-printed guns from their homes,” USA Todayreported last week. “Choices will include the AR-15.”
Can you now 3D print an AR-15? No.
Cody Wilson, a founder of DD, fired his first Liberator, a single-shot pistol made of mostly 3D printed parts, in 2013. But even this gun isn’t made of 100 percent 3D printed parts — for instance, you still need a metal firing pin (a small nail in the Liberator’s case) for the gun to actually fire. Careful though, you might blow your hand off while using it, especially if it’s built with low-grade plastics.
The plans for this and similar guns have been available on the internet for years, and the lawsuit against Wilson did not stop the internet from, well, being the internet. People have been sharing 3D gun “blueprints” via email, 3D libraries, magnet links, and so on all throughout this court case.
What about an AR-15? Cody Wilson gave TWS Fact Check the short answer, “Totally false. You can’t 3D print an AR-15.”
So, you can’t print out a complete AR-15 from the comfort of your own home. What can you print?
People have printed the lower receiver of an AR-15 as well as magazines (where the ammunition is held) and successfully fired several rounds without the plastic cracking or breaking apart.
What’s a lower receiver?
It is the part of an AR-15 that, in very broad and basic terms, holds the firing group. Think of it as the part of the gun where the trigger mechanisms are kept. It’s also what the magazine is loaded into and what the gun’s grip is fixed on.
A lower receiver is the part of the AR-15 that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives categorizes as the “firearm,” thus it’s the only part that requires a serial number from manufactures looking to sell or gift the component.
An individual can purchase what is known colloquially as an 80 percent lower, or “paperweight,” without going through a background check or requiring a serial number on the incomplete lower. The 80 percent lower is unfinished and requires a good deal of milling before it could function as a lower receiver.
If an individual makes an 80 percent lower into a completed lower receiver and does not sell or gift the component, no serial number or registration is needed (except in California). All of the other parts of the AR-15 can be purchased online without the need for a background check because they are not what the ATF considers as the firearm.
Note: It is unlawful for prohibited persons to manufacture a gun, even if the individual does not sell or gift the weapon.
What about 3D printed lowers? The same laws apply. If you are not a prohibited person you are not required to have an FFL or serial number if you are making the lower for yourself (again, the exception being California).
Certain lower receivers have been created using 3D printers with Polylactic Acid (or PLA, which is a common plastic for 3D printers to use) and successfully tested.
These blueprints have been circulating the internet for a few years now. The settlement, while important and interesting on its own merits, did not suddenly release gun blueprints for 3D printer production which were unavailable before.
What’s perhaps more interesting than the ability to 3D print your own lower receiver from plastic, which might crack or break after a few shots, is the ability to precisely mill your own aluminium 80 percent lower. DD sells the “Ghost Gunner 2,” a small Computer Numeric Control (CNC) machine that can mill an 80 percent lower. There are several videos online that demonstrate the process of building the Ghost Gunner 2, and assembling an AR-15 with the milled lower receiver. The cost, however, is significantly higher than purchasing a lower receiver from a licensed manufacturer.To the gun-hobby community, the idea of making your own gun components is nothing new. Did you know you could make a lower receiver from soda cans? Or maybe out of wood? With one google search you can watch a few videos to help mill your own 80 percent lower, or create a zip gun that can fire a 12-gauge round for about $7. You can even use an oil filter as a suppressor. Or read one of the many, many books on homemade guns, ammo, silencers etc.
In summation, claims that you can 3D print a full and functioning AR-15 are, as of now, false.
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You can't 3d print the whole ar-15, only the lower receiver (big big difference) :Do-it-yourself firearms like The Liberator have been nicknamed "Ghost Guns" because they don't have serial numbers and are untraceable.On the website run by Defense Distributed, people can download plans for building the Liberator, as well as files for an AR-15 lower receiver, a complete Baretta M9 handgun and other firearms. Users also will be able to share their own designs for guns, magazines and other accessories.The site on Monday showed more than 12,000 downloads of seven models of guns.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Reading comprehension has failed you today.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Halifax is not right, look at the two articles I posted. You can not 3D print an entire ar-15.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.
What he did post is common knowledge for the past twenty years.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I stand corrected but.........mcgruff10 said:
Halifax is not right, look at the two articles I posted. You can not 3D print an entire ar-15.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.
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Ugh. The better team definitely won.Halifax2TheMax said:Sox win!I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Not what I said. I said someone who is a gun expert may have, just not anyone who has put together an IKEA bookshelf before. Big difference.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.0 -
But here’s the thing, come playoffs? The Yankees will be in it and scrappy. The way it should be.mcgruff10 said:
Ugh. The better team definitely won.Halifax2TheMax said:Sox win!
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No, I was comparing putting guns together like furniture.You don’t know IKEA. Buy=Assemble like Parts to a Ford 150 = AR15. Simple? Right?mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.
Because you know, like, but I’m not sure, but,everything ever that needs to be assembled comes in a bucket. Without instructions. So that means it’s safe but if it’s it not? No worries because it should be illegal, even if it’s not.
And, guns have more parts than a Ford F-150 and if you’re not an auto mechanic, you can’t assemble a gun. But if you could, it’s illegal. So just stop.
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So, what % of an AR15 can be 3D printed, ready for assembly? What’s the financial outlay to have the capability? Because we all know that evolution doesn’t happen, right? That next generation design, innovation doesn’t exist? Because designing weapons to effectively kill and produce them is, “common knowledge?” Again, I stand corrected but why do you gun nutters feel the need for more and more and more? Freedom of speech? You don’t even acknowledge the first amendment? 1 comes before 2. “Common knowledge amongst gun owners.” Or,”Common knowledge amongst gun enthusiasts.” But “common knowledge of the past 20 years?” Nazis and Trump, there are no comparisons. Q.mcgruff10 said:
Halifax is not right, look at the two articles I posted. You can not 3D print an entire ar-15.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.
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It was my terrible attempt at comedy I get what you and others are saying , but I believe most here agree more guns of any kind is not the answers to this really really big problem..mace1229 said:
Not what I said. I said someone who is a gun expert may have, just not anyone who has put together an IKEA bookshelf before. Big difference.josevolution said:
So in other words H2TM is correct lol , you went from not being able too to maybe too ok i'm sure some have lol ok have a safe weekend everybody ...mace1229 said:
Okay, now you’re comparing putting a gun together to buying furniture at ikea?Halifax2TheMax said:mace1229 said:Can someone fill me in this.
My assumption is that 3D printers can only print parts. Seems impossible to print a functioning gun with moving parts.
That would make printing something like an AR-15 extremely difficult. Yes there are blue prints and directions, but that’s like putting together a Ford F-150 from a bucket of parts and making a functioning engine.
I do think printing guns should be illegal, but anyone who thinks gun owners are toothless low-intelligent people have nothing to worry about then.
My guess is only very trained people who already own lots of guns anyway would be able to do this.
So my point, while I think it should be illegal, I just don’t see it as being a big factor to the gun problem.Your guess is wrong.
Yea, because an engine to a Ford F-150 has approximately the same number of parts as an AR15. Thanks for the false analogy. By the way, AR15s are being 3D printed and assembled. Ever hear of Ikea?
And this from the web:
The AR-15 is the most customizable weapon platform on the market. You can either buy a complete stock rifle or custom build your own from the ground up. Building an AR-15 may sound quite intimidating, but it is actually relatively simple! Whether you want to build an AR-15, or upgrade your stock configuration, it is important to have a thorough knowledge of its parts
https://www.wingtactical.com/parts-of-an-ar-15/
See? Even Noobs can do it.
Basic Anatomy of the AR-15 - AR-15 for Noobs!
Have you ever seen a gun completely taken apart? Not just removing the barrel or somrthjng, but every sparring, every screw in a big pile? There are literally hundreds of pieces. Some micro pistols maybe a few dozen, but are still extremely difficult to put together without a lot of gun knowledge.
Im not saying it’s impossible, just that I don’t see anyone without a lot of gun knowledge really being able to do it. And if they can, they probably already own guns anyway if they are that familiar with them.
I don’t think anyone actually goes and buys all the parts and puts a gun together from scratch if that’s what you’re suggesting. Yes, people do customize and “build” their own ARs all the time, but they buy the upper or lower already built and attach their own stock and so on. They might switch out a part or two, but I’ve never heard of anyone buying a bucket of parts and assembling their own gun from scratch. Okay, I’m sure it’s been done, but the average gun owner wouldn’t and couldn’t do that.
But it’s a moot point because I dont think we should be allowed to print and build our own guns anyway. It should be illegal, even though I just think the ones that would probably already own some.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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