Swedish student stops Afghan man's deportation by refusing to sit down on a plane
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Annafalk said:
We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill.PJ_Soul said:
Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.Annafalk said:Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.
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Bang, bang!Spiritual_Chaos said:Annafalk said:
We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill.PJ_Soul said:
Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.Annafalk said:Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.
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Bang, bang!Spiritual_Chaos said:Annafalk said:
We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill.PJ_Soul said:
Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.Annafalk said:Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmGbOF3GxU
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It’s not like everyone on the flight was heading to the Bahamas or Disneyland considering the man was flying to see somewhere he would die according to the girl. At least she got her standing ovation in the end.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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I doubt any flights go direct to Afghanistan from Gothenburg, without having to change somewhere along the route.Jason P said:It’s not like everyone on the flight was heading to the Bahamas or Disneyland considering the man was flying to see somewhere he would die according to the girl. At least she got her standing ovation in the end."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Anybody hear anymore about this case- like why the guy was being deported or what the young woman's relationship to him is?
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The 52 yr old afghan man being deported, had been serving time for assult, that was not the reason for his deportation though. It was considered safe for him to be deported. The girl Elin has said she knew nothing about this man but wanted to save him because of he is a human. I found an article about this subject also.
How a Swedish student’s protest against forced deportation could backfire
If the Sweden Democrats, an anti-immigration party, triumphs in the country’s general election on 9 September it won’t be thanks to Vladimir Putin, no matter how many Swedes fear his drones are trying to swamp them with internet propaganda. It will be Elin Ersson wot swung it for them – along with the police and authorities at Gothenburg Airport. Ms Ersson filmed herself refusing to sit down on a Turkey-bound plane until a failed asylum-seeker, who was being deported to Afghanistan, was removed. He duly was.
Students have been doing this sort of thing for decades, of course – albeit without the benefit of live-streaming on social media, but just why did the airport authorities make it so easy for Ms Ersson? There is now some talk of her being prosecuted, even jailed – something which would be over the top, achieve nothing but generate sympathy and is highly unlikely to happen. On the other hand, she could quite easily have been removed by the simple expedient of having two polite security guards or police officers lift her up by the arms and carry her off, allowing the plane to take off as planned.
By failing to do this, and granting her demands, Gothenburg’s airport authorities have sent out a very loud ‘welcome’ to other protestors. If it is really that easy for a moon-faced student on social media to have an asylum-seeker removed from a plane, how attractive it must be to others to head for the nearest Swedish airport and stage their own stand-up protest? Angry that your IKEA shelves fell apart after three months? No problem – just live-stream yourself on a plane on the tarmac at Gothenburg Airport and you’ll get your money back, no problem. More worryingly, what message does it send to terrorists and hijackers about security presence at the airport?
ANNONSYou have to admire Ms Ersson’s brazenness. But the ease with which she got her way won’t, I suspect, go down well with a good many Swedish voters who were relieved that finally – it seemed – a tough stance was being taken on migration. Sweden’s naivety in putting out the welcome mat to all and sundry has resulted in 400,000 asylum applications in the past five years – one for every 25 of the existing population. Only belatedly has the social democrat-led government realised that it isn’t easy for a small country to integrate such numbers of migrants, especially when there is such a heavy bias towards men: in 2016 Sweden received 91,146 male migrants and 71,859 female ones.
Uncontrolled migration has resulted in what many Swedes regard as localised breakdowns in law and order – which included a remarkable 35 grenade attacks in 2016, somewhat a novelty in Scandinavia. Finally, two years ago the government responded to growing anger at the uncontrolled nature of migration. Tougher rules were put in place regarding asylum applications and repatriations of failed asylum-seekers speeded up (although there remains a huge backlog in applications).
And then comes along Ms Ersson and throws a spanner in the system by refusing to sit down on a plane. “I am trying to change my country’s rules, I don’t like them,” she bleated. “It is not right to send people to hell.” Her future career options will now presumably exclude any PR role for the Afghan government – the last thing you want when you are trying to reconstruct your country after 40 years of war and unrest is for a social media star likening it to the underworld.
But as regards the future of Sweden, the only winners that I can see from this will be the Sweden Democrats, who have promised to tighten immigration law further, and who are already trailing the Social Democrats by only a narrow margin. Maybe, if they do reach office, they will reward Ms Ersson with a peace prize.
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Well, that’s certainly pretty biased, as well as sexist. If the author is going to describe a woman’s speech as “bleating”, I’m likely not going to pay much attention to him.Annafalk said:The 52 yr old afghan man being deported, had been serving time for assult, that was not the reason for his deportation though. It was considered safe for him to be deported. The girl Elin has said she knew nothing about this man but wanted to save him because of he is a human. I found an article about this subject also.
How a Swedish student’s protest against forced deportation could backfire
If the Sweden Democrats, an anti-immigration party, triumphs in the country’s general election on 9 September it won’t be thanks to Vladimir Putin, no matter how many Swedes fear his drones are trying to swamp them with internet propaganda. It will be Elin Ersson wot swung it for them – along with the police and authorities at Gothenburg Airport. Ms Ersson filmed herself refusing to sit down on a Turkey-bound plane until a failed asylum-seeker, who was being deported to Afghanistan, was removed. He duly was.
Students have been doing this sort of thing for decades, of course – albeit without the benefit of live-streaming on social media, but just why did the airport authorities make it so easy for Ms Ersson? There is now some talk of her being prosecuted, even jailed – something which would be over the top, achieve nothing but generate sympathy and is highly unlikely to happen. On the other hand, she could quite easily have been removed by the simple expedient of having two polite security guards or police officers lift her up by the arms and carry her off, allowing the plane to take off as planned.
By failing to do this, and granting her demands, Gothenburg’s airport authorities have sent out a very loud ‘welcome’ to other protestors. If it is really that easy for a moon-faced student on social media to have an asylum-seeker removed from a plane, how attractive it must be to others to head for the nearest Swedish airport and stage their own stand-up protest? Angry that your IKEA shelves fell apart after three months? No problem – just live-stream yourself on a plane on the tarmac at Gothenburg Airport and you’ll get your money back, no problem. More worryingly, what message does it send to terrorists and hijackers about security presence at the airport?
ANNONSYou have to admire Ms Ersson’s brazenness. But the ease with which she got her way won’t, I suspect, go down well with a good many Swedish voters who were relieved that finally – it seemed – a tough stance was being taken on migration. Sweden’s naivety in putting out the welcome mat to all and sundry has resulted in 400,000 asylum applications in the past five years – one for every 25 of the existing population. Only belatedly has the social democrat-led government realised that it isn’t easy for a small country to integrate such numbers of migrants, especially when there is such a heavy bias towards men: in 2016 Sweden received 91,146 male migrants and 71,859 female ones.
Uncontrolled migration has resulted in what many Swedes regard as localised breakdowns in law and order – which included a remarkable 35 grenade attacks in 2016, somewhat a novelty in Scandinavia. Finally, two years ago the government responded to growing anger at the uncontrolled nature of migration. Tougher rules were put in place regarding asylum applications and repatriations of failed asylum-seekers speeded up (although there remains a huge backlog in applications).
And then comes along Ms Ersson and throws a spanner in the system by refusing to sit down on a plane. “I am trying to change my country’s rules, I don’t like them,” she bleated. “It is not right to send people to hell.” Her future career options will now presumably exclude any PR role for the Afghan government – the last thing you want when you are trying to reconstruct your country after 40 years of war and unrest is for a social media star likening it to the underworld.
But as regards the future of Sweden, the only winners that I can see from this will be the Sweden Democrats, who have promised to tighten immigration law further, and who are already trailing the Social Democrats by only a narrow margin. Maybe, if they do reach office, they will reward Ms Ersson with a peace prize.
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And is he really trying to argue that Afghanistan isn’t a fairly dangerous place?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I read that some parts of the country is considered safe, but in a whole it seems unsafe. There is also a lot of poverty.0
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Well said on both.oftenreading said:
Well, that’s certainly pretty biased, as well as sexist. If the author is going to describe a woman’s speech as “bleating”, I’m likely not going to pay much attention to him.Annafalk said:The 52 yr old afghan man being deported, had been serving time for assult, that was not the reason for his deportation though. It was considered safe for him to be deported. The girl Elin has said she knew nothing about this man but wanted to save him because of he is a human. I found an article about this subject also.
How a Swedish student’s protest against forced deportation could backfire
If the Sweden Democrats, an anti-immigration party, triumphs in the country’s general election on 9 September it won’t be thanks to Vladimir Putin, no matter how many Swedes fear his drones are trying to swamp them with internet propaganda. It will be Elin Ersson wot swung it for them – along with the police and authorities at Gothenburg Airport. Ms Ersson filmed herself refusing to sit down on a Turkey-bound plane until a failed asylum-seeker, who was being deported to Afghanistan, was removed. He duly was.
Students have been doing this sort of thing for decades, of course – albeit without the benefit of live-streaming on social media, but just why did the airport authorities make it so easy for Ms Ersson? There is now some talk of her being prosecuted, even jailed – something which would be over the top, achieve nothing but generate sympathy and is highly unlikely to happen. On the other hand, she could quite easily have been removed by the simple expedient of having two polite security guards or police officers lift her up by the arms and carry her off, allowing the plane to take off as planned.
By failing to do this, and granting her demands, Gothenburg’s airport authorities have sent out a very loud ‘welcome’ to other protestors. If it is really that easy for a moon-faced student on social media to have an asylum-seeker removed from a plane, how attractive it must be to others to head for the nearest Swedish airport and stage their own stand-up protest? Angry that your IKEA shelves fell apart after three months? No problem – just live-stream yourself on a plane on the tarmac at Gothenburg Airport and you’ll get your money back, no problem. More worryingly, what message does it send to terrorists and hijackers about security presence at the airport?
ANNONSYou have to admire Ms Ersson’s brazenness. But the ease with which she got her way won’t, I suspect, go down well with a good many Swedish voters who were relieved that finally – it seemed – a tough stance was being taken on migration. Sweden’s naivety in putting out the welcome mat to all and sundry has resulted in 400,000 asylum applications in the past five years – one for every 25 of the existing population. Only belatedly has the social democrat-led government realised that it isn’t easy for a small country to integrate such numbers of migrants, especially when there is such a heavy bias towards men: in 2016 Sweden received 91,146 male migrants and 71,859 female ones.
Uncontrolled migration has resulted in what many Swedes regard as localised breakdowns in law and order – which included a remarkable 35 grenade attacks in 2016, somewhat a novelty in Scandinavia. Finally, two years ago the government responded to growing anger at the uncontrolled nature of migration. Tougher rules were put in place regarding asylum applications and repatriations of failed asylum-seekers speeded up (although there remains a huge backlog in applications).
And then comes along Ms Ersson and throws a spanner in the system by refusing to sit down on a plane. “I am trying to change my country’s rules, I don’t like them,” she bleated. “It is not right to send people to hell.” Her future career options will now presumably exclude any PR role for the Afghan government – the last thing you want when you are trying to reconstruct your country after 40 years of war and unrest is for a social media star likening it to the underworld.
But as regards the future of Sweden, the only winners that I can see from this will be the Sweden Democrats, who have promised to tighten immigration law further, and who are already trailing the Social Democrats by only a narrow margin. Maybe, if they do reach office, they will reward Ms Ersson with a peace prize.
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And is he really trying to argue that Afghanistan isn’t a fairly dangerous place?
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She is being investigated for possible crimes. According to the news yesterday."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
^^^^ Two different issues (and completely off topic). It's not like Ontario re-routed $200 million from the homeless issue to the asylum seekers issue. I love how people keep acting like whenever money is spent it is literally stolen directly from the homelessness fund. That's not actually how it works. The homelessness issue would be just as bad right now if the asylum seekers issue didn't exist. It's a separate problem that people should be petitioning their representatives in government about all the time.... Most people who combine these issues never showed they gave much of a shit about the homeless until they discovered they could use the issue to further their anti-immigration stance. I see it all the time.... My own mother pulls this actually. It's really irritating.
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Spiritual_Chaos said:She is being investigated for possible crimes. According to the news yesterday.
Martin Luther King Jr was put in jail... Gandhi was arrested 4 times and spent 7 years in prison.... Mandela did 27 years... so yeah, the law isn't all its cracked up to be0 -
Meltdown99 said:There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them, some are shitty.
Ontario = Toronto + non-Toronto. Toronto = 4,000 persons per km^2, Ontario (including Toronto) = 14 persons per km^2. There is more than enough room in Ontario for asylum seekers. That's a fact.
I find it offensive that people with the (unearned) gift of being birthed from a wealthier vagina in a more moral country have the audacity to complain about the injustice of that privilege being ever-so-slightly eroded so that some people's lives can be elevated past the point of "living hell" or "survival at best", and that they've so wholly forgotten how to empathize.
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+1benjs said:Meltdown99 said:There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them, some are shitty.
Ontario = Toronto + non-Toronto. Toronto = 4,000 persons per km^2, Ontario (including Toronto) = 14 persons per km^2. There is more than enough room in Ontario for asylum seekers. That's a fact.
I find it offensive that people with the (unearned) gift of being birthed from a wealthier vagina in a more moral country have the audacity to complain about the injustice of that privilege being ever-so-slightly eroded so that some people's lives can be elevated past the point of "living hell" or "survival at best", and that they've so wholly forgotten how to empathize.
What a fucking waste of oxygen our race is.
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Absolutely.benjs said:Meltdown99 said:There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them, some are shitty.
Ontario = Toronto + non-Toronto. Toronto = 4,000 persons per km^2, Ontario (including Toronto) = 14 persons per km^2. There is more than enough room in Ontario for asylum seekers. That's a fact.
I find it offensive that people with the (unearned) gift of being birthed from a wealthier vagina in a more moral country have the audacity to complain about the injustice of that privilege being ever-so-slightly eroded so that some people's lives can be elevated past the point of "living hell" or "survival at best", and that they've so wholly forgotten how to empathize.
What a fucking waste of oxygen our race is.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Your comment is a fucking joke. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one, including you and me, your opinion is no more correct than mine, if except I have no interest in adding to the problems ... there is a housing shortage in Ontario, we have homeless people in communities that have never had these problems, we have 10 hour waits in the er, we have a mental crisis, an opioid crisis, junkies holed in alleys leaving their dirty needles for others to clean up ... and people like you just want to keep adding to the problem. I will never apologize for being born here ... what I do know is I come from a long line of ancestors who contributed greatly to this country including interrupting their lives to go fight in WW! and WW2 ... By the way I am a hug advocate for First Nation rights ... and our government can not even get some engineers to figure out how every First Nation reserve can get clean drinking water. How 'bout, imagine that people born in this country with no drinking...please get off you high horse.benjs said:Meltdown99 said:There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them, some are shitty.
Ontario = Toronto + non-Toronto. Toronto = 4,000 persons per km^2, Ontario (including Toronto) = 14 persons per km^2. There is more than enough room in Ontario for asylum seekers. That's a fact.
I find it offensive that people with the (unearned) gift of being birthed from a wealthier vagina in a more moral country have the audacity to complain about the injustice of that privilege being ever-so-slightly eroded so that some people's lives can be elevated past the point of "living hell" or "survival at best", and that they've so wholly forgotten how to empathize.
What a fucking waste of oxygen our race is.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
All opinions are not created equal.
Anyway, again, all those issues you're complaining about, as legit as they are (nobody has once said they aren't legit concerns) have nothing to do with these asylum seekers. It seems that you have simply found a convenient scapegoat.
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Your first sentence was blatantly incorrect, and I found the information in about four seconds on Google to disprove you (but if you'd like to try yourself, population density = population / area). Feel free to continue ignoring people who correct false information you're spreading.Meltdown99 said:
Your comment is a fucking joke. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one, including you and me, your opinion is no more correct than mine, if except I have no interest in adding to the problems ... there is a housing shortage in Ontario, we have homeless people in communities that have never had these problems, we have 10 hour waits in the er, we have a mental crisis, an opioid crisis, junkies holed in alleys leaving their dirty needles for others to clean up ... and people like you just want to keep adding to the problem. I will never apologize for being born here ... what I do know is I come from a long line of ancestors who contributed greatly to this country including interrupting their lives to go fight in WW! and WW2 ... By the way I am a hug advocate for First Nation rights ... and our government can not even get some engineers to figure out how every First Nation reserve can get clean drinking water. How 'bout, imagine that people born in this country with no drinking...please get off you high horse.benjs said:Meltdown99 said:There is no room in Ontario for more Asylum seekers that is for sure. There is not even close to enough affordable for Ontarians living here.
I also find it offensive that illegal border hoppers have cost Ontario 200 million and PM Fluff has yet to pick up the tab. I sure love how we make sure the illegal border hoppers have housing ... but to hell with the homeless, many who are not employable at the present time.
Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them, some are shitty.
Ontario = Toronto + non-Toronto. Toronto = 4,000 persons per km^2, Ontario (including Toronto) = 14 persons per km^2. There is more than enough room in Ontario for asylum seekers. That's a fact.
I find it offensive that people with the (unearned) gift of being birthed from a wealthier vagina in a more moral country have the audacity to complain about the injustice of that privilege being ever-so-slightly eroded so that some people's lives can be elevated past the point of "living hell" or "survival at best", and that they've so wholly forgotten how to empathize.
What a fucking waste of oxygen our race is.
On asylum seekers somehow creating less ability for Ontario to address its other concerns (which are very real), please note the Ontario Budget 2018 of $158.5 billion dollars, and the Ontario's reimbursement request from the federal government for $200 million dollars for the year. Just so you see the math - that's 200/158500 = 0.13% of the budget. If Ontario receives no reimbursement (and that is highly unlikely given the federal government has already issued reimbursements for provinces including Ontario in 2017), Ontario will have sacrificed 0.13% of its provincial budget for the sake of asylum seekers. Your argument is that if the government waived this responsibility to the globe, this 0.13% would somehow be used for meaningful improvement in any of these realms? You're living in a fantasy world.
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