America's Gun Violence

dudeman said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Bye bye gun control...

BTW Defense Distributed exists because of bitcoin.  

http://www.guns.news/2018-07-24-federal-government-declares-ar-15s-are-not-weapons-of-war.html

How so?  These guns are still illegal to own, they need to have a certain amount of metal in them to be detectable.  And the article you cited refers to the Breitbart interpretation of a settlement.  There doesn't appear to be a court ruling or precedent set here.

Keep pushing your crazy 'bye bye gun control' dreams though.  Eventually our country will reach a breaking point and when it comes time to make serious changes about how our society treats guns; the likes of you won't be invited to the conversation.  Your version of reality is not only crazy, it's unsustainable.

I look forward to the faux outrage when a plane full of passengers is shot up at 42,000 feet or there's a mass shooting at an event with metal detectors or an elected representative is shot and killed because some deranged person or terrorist made a 3D printed gun and bypassed security measures. Of course the solution will be more "good" guys with guns. Or strip searching everyone. Yea, that's the society I want to live in.

Are they 3D printing ammo, barrels, firing pins, hammers, springs and primers?

I don't know what a primer is, but yes to the rest besides any ammo that contains explosives I think. You can pretty much make any item with a 3D printer as far as I can tell, assuming it doesn't require additional materials that the printer doesn't contain (including gun powder obviously).

Halifax2TheMax said:

dudeman said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Bye bye gun control...

BTW Defense Distributed exists because of bitcoin.  

http://www.guns.news/2018-07-24-federal-government-declares-ar-15s-are-not-weapons-of-war.html

How so?  These guns are still illegal to own, they need to have a certain amount of metal in them to be detectable.  And the article you cited refers to the Breitbart interpretation of a settlement.  There doesn't appear to be a court ruling or precedent set here.

Keep pushing your crazy 'bye bye gun control' dreams though.  Eventually our country will reach a breaking point and when it comes time to make serious changes about how our society treats guns; the likes of you won't be invited to the conversation.  Your version of reality is not only crazy, it's unsustainable.

I look forward to the faux outrage when a plane full of passengers is shot up at 42,000 feet or there's a mass shooting at an event with metal detectors or an elected representative is shot and killed because some deranged person or terrorist made a 3D printed gun and bypassed security measures. Of course the solution will be more "good" guys with guns. Or strip searching everyone. Yea, that's the society I want to live in.

Are they 3D printing ammo, barrels, firing pins, hammers, springs and primers?

Law enforcement's and security professional's concerns regarding "plastic" guns is well documented as the small amount of metal parts may not be picked up on metal detectors. Its probably just a matter of time until those parts can be 3D printed, with the exception of gun powder.

Why couldn't these parts be 3D printed now? I'm pretty sure they can be, assuming you have the right equipment. There are 3D printers that print with metal too.

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dudeman said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Bye bye gun control...

BTW Defense Distributed exists because of bitcoin.  

http://www.guns.news/2018-07-24-federal-government-declares-ar-15s-are-not-weapons-of-war.html

How so?  These guns are still illegal to own, they need to have a certain amount of metal in them to be detectable.  And the article you cited refers to the Breitbart interpretation of a settlement.  There doesn't appear to be a court ruling or precedent set here.

Keep pushing your crazy 'bye bye gun control' dreams though.  Eventually our country will reach a breaking point and when it comes time to make serious changes about how our society treats guns; the likes of you won't be invited to the conversation.  Your version of reality is not only crazy, it's unsustainable.

I look forward to the faux outrage when a plane full of passengers is shot up at 42,000 feet or there's a mass shooting at an event with metal detectors or an elected representative is shot and killed because some deranged person or terrorist made a 3D printed gun and bypassed security measures. Of course the solution will be more "good" guys with guns. Or strip searching everyone. Yea, that's the society I want to live in.

Are they 3D printing ammo, barrels, firing pins, hammers, springs and primers?

Law enforcement's and security professional's concerns regarding "plastic" guns is well documented as the small amount of metal parts may not be picked up on metal detectors. Its probably just a matter of time until those parts can be 3D printed, with the exception of gun powder.

Why couldn't these parts be 3D printed now? I'm pretty sure they can be, assuming you have the right equipment. There are 3D printers that print with metal too.

Maybe they are?

I would bet money on it.

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dudeman said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

Bye bye gun control...

BTW Defense Distributed exists because of bitcoin.  

http://www.guns.news/2018-07-24-federal-government-declares-ar-15s-are-not-weapons-of-war.html

How so?  These guns are still illegal to own, they need to have a certain amount of metal in them to be detectable.  And the article you cited refers to the Breitbart interpretation of a settlement.  There doesn't appear to be a court ruling or precedent set here.

Keep pushing your crazy 'bye bye gun control' dreams though.  Eventually our country will reach a breaking point and when it comes time to make serious changes about how our society treats guns; the likes of you won't be invited to the conversation.  Your version of reality is not only crazy, it's unsustainable.

I look forward to the faux outrage when a plane full of passengers is shot up at 42,000 feet or there's a mass shooting at an event with metal detectors or an elected representative is shot and killed because some deranged person or terrorist made a 3D printed gun and bypassed security measures. Of course the solution will be more "good" guys with guns. Or strip searching everyone. Yea, that's the society I want to live in.

Are they 3D printing ammo, barrels, firing pins, hammers, springs and primers?

Law enforcement's and security professional's concerns regarding "plastic" guns is well documented as the small amount of metal parts may not be picked up on metal detectors. Its probably just a matter of time until those parts can be 3D printed, with the exception of gun powder.

Why couldn't these parts be 3D printed now? I'm pretty sure they can be, assuming you have the right equipment. There are 3D printers that print with metal too.

Maybe they are?

I would bet money on it.

I was reading an article earlier about how this is already a bit of an issue in Australia due to difficulty in purchasing one there.  In the US, criminals still find it more feasible to get them by other means, but the lower the cost of 3D printers get...
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/11/how-real-is-the-risk-of-3d-printed-guns-in-australia/
That article is from 2016...

Thoughts_Arrive said:

Sorry PJSoul. Misunderstanding.
Anyone else making fun of me go get bent.

You live with your mother with that mouth?

Sorry, I'm just kidding.

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

I wouldn't date a man who still lived with his parents either. But I'm also not going to just determine that everyone who does is "pathetic". That's fucking harsh and too judgemental for my blood.

Maybe you wouldn’t judge them as “pathetic”, but you have obviously judged them as undesirable or as not meeting your minimum standards by admitting that you wouldn’t date them.  I bet that the majority of people, if polled, would have the same standards.

A shithole home in Vancouver is over $1,000,000. Real estate and inflation have exceeded wages grotesquely.

These days it's extremely challenging for a young person to leave home at 18 (like I and all my peer group did) and simply make a go of it by working hard. So making a blanket statement like you did while not accounting for multiple factors across multiple situations is arrogant.

Your arrogance seems to come from the perspective of someone who has never struggled and wonders why other people do. You can buy a trailer in Texas for what... $15,000?

Pretty easy to 'spread your wings' when there is no fall.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

I wouldn't date a man who still lived with his parents either. But I'm also not going to just determine that everyone who does is "pathetic". That's fucking harsh and too judgemental for my blood.

Maybe you wouldn’t judge them as “pathetic”, but you have obviously judged them as undesirable or as not meeting your minimum standards by admitting that you wouldn’t date them.  I bet that the majority of people, if polled, would have the same standards.

A shithole home in Vancouver is over $1,000,000. Real estate and inflation have exceeded wages grotesquely.

These days it's extremely challenging for a young person to leave home at 18 (like I and all my peer group did) and simply make a go of it by working hard. So making a blanket statement like you did while not accounting for multiple factors across multiple situations is arrogant.

Your arrogance seems to come from the perspective of someone who has never struggled and wonders why other people do. You can buy a trailer in Texas for what... $15,000?

Pretty easy to 'spread your wings' when there is no fall.

I would probably struggle to make a great living in Vancouver with my current wage.  That’s why I do not plan on living in Vancouver any time soon...I am not going to live somewhere I cannot afford to live.  I have had plenty of hardships and struggles throughout my life, but going through those only increased my drive.  I just do not think people have that much of a drive to go get out on their own these days.  I worked all throughout college to pay rent, graduated at 23, and have never let myself be unemployed since.  And trailers are stupid, only lose value, as does pretty much anything with wheels, along with “shitholes”

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Power...

You're still generalizing a little too much. There are definitely cases of apathy, but today's youth is saddled with a ton we simply didn't have to overcome.

In short, I'm saying we had it easier. 'We' (me too). My opinion is that we need to give this generation a bit of a break.

If you disagree with me... cheers anyways. That's all I got for this argument.

Fair enough...but “today’s youth” isn’t a generalization in what world??

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Power...

You're still generalizing a little too much. There are definitely cases of apathy, but today's youth is saddled with a ton we simply didn't have to overcome.

In short, I'm saying we had it easier. 'We' (me too). My opinion is that we need to give this generation a bit of a break.

If you disagree with me... cheers anyways. That's all I got for this argument.

Wait what? Saddled with what exactly beside an overwhelming level of self importance? 

And people throwing money at them for the sheer reason of making them billionaires, lol. Now I admit, THAT was a generalization
Edit: In my mind, the parents of “today’s youth” are the ones that probably need a break more than anyone! Lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

I wouldn't date a man who still lived with his parents either. But I'm also not going to just determine that everyone who does is "pathetic". That's fucking harsh and too judgemental for my blood.

Maybe you wouldn’t judge them as “pathetic”, but you have obviously judged them as undesirable or as not meeting your minimum standards by admitting that you wouldn’t date them.  I bet that the majority of people, if polled, would have the same standards.

A shithole home in Vancouver is over $1,000,000. Real estate and inflation have exceeded wages grotesquely.

These days it's extremely challenging for a young person to leave home at 18 (like I and all my peer group did) and simply make a go of it by working hard. So making a blanket statement like you did while not accounting for multiple factors across multiple situations is arrogant.

Your arrogance seems to come from the perspective of someone who has never struggled and wonders why other people do. You can buy a trailer in Texas for what... $15,000?

Pretty easy to 'spread your wings' when there is no fall.

I really don’t get that side of the argument. And to bring it full swing to another thread, I dont get the same argument when applied to high minimum wage in expensive areas.
I was born and lived in Southern California for 30 years. I love it there. I lived in San Diego and Santa Monica for most of my adult life. I miss it (minus the traffic). Any guesses why I moved? Because I’d never be able to afford a house, not even after 30 years.
So I moved to Colorado, 1600 miles away from all of my family, where my mortgage on a 5-bedroom house (including tax and insurance) was $8 less than my half of the rent of a shared 2-bedroom apartment. That’s how we made it, shared a 2 bedroom with 3 guys first, until I could afford to split it with just 1 roommate. I’m sure a million dollar home isn’t the only option. In some cases I’m sure the thought of mom’s basement is just more appealing that sharing an appartment with some buddies. Heck, I had a bunk bed as an adult until I was 26 because that’s what I had to do in order to afford it. I was 30 before I slept on something bigger than a twin size bed, because the space I could afford would only fit a twin. How many in the scenario you described could make it like that, but just prefer their old room at mom’s? I bet a lot.
But even more so, its not your right to live in Seattle, San Francisco, New York or LA. If you can’t afford it, move. And as you pointed out, you can get a trailer in Texas for $15,000.
There are lots of valid reasons to live with your parents, so I’m not putting everyone who does in that group. I just don’t think “the real world is too expensive” is one of them most of the time.