Stop with the anti-Trump crusade, it's boring!
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I jokingly said to my brother, as we slowly left the 02 last Monday, that I am glad Ed had 4 little Trump digs or I'd have wanted my money back. Before mentioning the setlist, stage show, whatever...
So I disagree with this one also.0 -
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
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fck that...keep calling BS when you see it EVdocsredarmy99 said:Lost the crowd for about a half hour in Padova after EV's latest outburst although got it back to complete an outstanding show.
It needs to stop, it's boring & they need to show some respect to those who don't share their views.
Anyway, onwards to Rome we go.....Any new realizations... would have to wait...
Til he had more time,... more time...
Time to dream,... to himself... he waves goodbye,
To himself... I'll see you on the other side...0 -
Bravo!oftenreading said:And I hope the band continues to speak out against the Trump administration. I’ll cheer loudly at the shows I’m attending.0 -
I dont understand why people keep saying, "your side lost, get over it"....PJINFLA said:It would be nice if Pearl Jam would use their collective energy to create a full record of new music that might actually make the band relevant again. Instead they use the easy target of politics to get internet headlines. Sorry your team lost guys get over it and be part of the solution not the problem. If Ed wants to be politician then go for it, talk is cheap.
It literally has nothing to do about who won or lost. It has to do with whats going on right now.Turn this anger into
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I agree that the writing was on the wall for Trump. He didnt really hide his intentions. That said....Im guessing that some trump voters were just like, "ah the media makes things up, he cant be that bad." Yes, yes he is that bad. Actually he is worse.AO253126 said:
I've heard this argument a lot, but I don't understand how anyone could've watched Trump from the moment he declared in July 2015, through election day, and say that they are now surprised at what they see.Vedd Hedd said:Believe me....i'm no fan of Hillary Clinton. Not at all. And I COMPLETELY understand why people would want to say, "Fuck it, lets see what Trump can do". I REALLY Get that....but at this point...Trump has shown his true colors. I understand if you supported Trump before, and wanted to see something different. But after doing all the things he has done....I dont understand how anyone wants him to remain as president.
If this is what you (edit: I mean "you" in the general sense here, not specifically referring to Vedd Head) want and what you voted for, then fine, more power to you. But if you believed the narrative that he would be "a breath of fresh air" and that he would "pivot" once he won, then you just weren't paying attention.
Again, it was probably some people that didnt pay much attention to debates, real news, etc. "Oh, lets run it like a business!'.
But I understand and agree with your point. People SHOULD have been informed, and we tried to warn them.Turn this anger into
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We the people have to vote in the people that we think will most closely match our viewpoint. Get out and vote.RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.0 -
RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.Tell me what President got there by being an average everyday person . And can anyone tell me what has Trump done or not done thats so terrible ?0 -
Why, yes, we all could, but if you don’t know already you either have not followed any news or you have an opinion you aren’t going to change, so I don’t think I’ll waste my time on this.kb272930 said:RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.Tell me what President got there by being an average everyday person . And can anyone tell me what has Trump done or not done thats so terrible ?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Actually, quicker to just say go to AMT and do some reading.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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Really?kb272930 said:RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.Tell me what President got there by being an average everyday person . And can anyone tell me what has Trump done or not done thats so terrible ?Turn this anger into
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I think they need to keep doing it, and that it's pretty much irrelevant if some people in the crowd don't like it because they don't care about it (or, much worse, support it) - when you have an opportunity to speak out against grave injustices, it's your responsibility to do so, and in a way that gets the most exposure. IMO.
However, I think the band seems a little more scared to do this during American tours... And that is disappointing to me. That is where they should be digging in and really going for it, but they seem scared of any strong backlash (as opposed to minor indifference from some in Europe), and that is a real contradiction to what they (and Eddie in particular) profess to believe in.
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kb272930 said:RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.Tell me what President got there by being an average everyday person . And can anyone tell me what has Trump done or not done thats so terrible ?Have you read anything on any news site or listened to any story on NPR in the last two years??Let's see: pathological lying, about matters big and small; disregard for ethics, due process, protocol, norms, and common decency; ignorance of and disregard for the Constitution; laziness; bullying; general ignorance of domestic and international matters that affect our country, and no indication that he has any desire to actually get up to speed on any of them; poor moral character as indicated by all of the above plus chronic infidelity and philandering; racism (let's go back to the Central Park jogger case, his full-page ad calling for harsh punishment of the accused, and his persistent refusal to accept either the scientific evidence that exonerated those young men OR the confession of another person); misogyny; immaturity; a pathological aversion to taking responsibility for anything.The problems with Agent Orange always have transcended politics and policy. He is, in every conceivable way, unfit to hold the office of President of the United States. He is damaging the entire country, but in the long run I suspect his base will be hurt most by his "policies," such as they are.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0 -
oftenreading said:Actually, quicker to just say go to AMT and do some reading.PJ_Soul said:I think they need to keep doing it, and that it's pretty much irrelevant if some people in the crowd don't like it because they don't care about it (or, much worse, support it) - when you have an opportunity to speak out against grave injustices, it's your responsibility to do so, and in a way that gets the most exposure. IMO.
However, I think the band seems a little more scared to do this during American tours... And that is disappointing to me. That is where they should be digging in and really going for it, but they seem scared of any strong backlash (as opposed to minor indifference from some in Europe), and that is a real contradiction to what they (and Eddie in particular) profess to believe in.
Canada ? lol , When did Pearl Jam become Rage Against the Machine -2? . I think I'm done ! time to sell my posters and Benny . I really don't have a Benny and wouldn't sell it if I did .
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1. Obama.kb272930 said:RP112579 said:
The person that hasn't had to deal with the same issues of the average everyday person is Donald Trump.LongestRoad said:
The reason is they are very wealthy entertainers that don't live in the same world as the rest of the country. They live in a catered to world. They aren't experiencing the same issues the everyday average person is experiencing therefore most people aren't listening or just get pissed off about it. It's the don't tell me how to think when you're not walking in my shoes.eddiec said:kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .Wow
They do however have the right to voice their viewpoint. Just keep in mind they might be harming their cause more than helping.Tell me what President got there by being an average everyday person . And can anyone tell me what has Trump done or not done thats so terrible ?
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PJINFLA said:It would be nice if Pearl Jam would use their collective energy to create a full record of new music that might actually make the band relevant again. Instead they use the easy target of politics to get internet headlines. Sorry your team lost guys get over it and be part of the solution not the problem. If Ed wants to be politician then go for it, talk is cheap.
Is that the 2A solution that tRump suggested?
Or the type of solution that puts refugee children & asylum seekers in concentration camps?
Here's my proposed solution :
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Another hallmark of a Trump fan - opinions of others don’t count.kb272930 said:oftenreading said:Actually, quicker to just say go to AMT and do some reading.PJ_Soul said:I think they need to keep doing it, and that it's pretty much irrelevant if some people in the crowd don't like it because they don't care about it (or, much worse, support it) - when you have an opportunity to speak out against grave injustices, it's your responsibility to do so, and in a way that gets the most exposure. IMO.
However, I think the band seems a little more scared to do this during American tours... And that is disappointing to me. That is where they should be digging in and really going for it, but they seem scared of any strong backlash (as opposed to minor indifference from some in Europe), and that is a real contradiction to what they (and Eddie in particular) profess to believe in.
Canada ? lol , When did Pearl Jam become Rage Against the Machine -2? . I think I'm done ! time to sell my posters and Benny . I really don't have a Benny and wouldn't sell it if I did .my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Excellent response, especially on the whole "your team lost" part.on2legs said:PJINFLA said:It would be nice if Pearl Jam would use their collective energy to create a full record of new music that might actually make the band relevant again. Instead they use the easy target of politics to get internet headlines. Sorry your team lost guys get over it and be part of the solution not the problem. If Ed wants to be politician then go for it, talk is cheap.The band has been outspoken their entire career. They didn't just cook this up as a publicity stunt because they can't sell 10 million records anymore.And by the way... my "team" is America so I guess on that we can agree - America definitely lost with Trump becoming president.
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kb272930 said:Like the NFL and most of Hollywood Eddie thinks he is elightened and using his platform for good . But most sane people view them as entertainers and pay them well for thier product not thier political opinions .
Are you forgetting that tRump's claim to fame is a shiatty reality show and he actually owned a football league?
Maybe tRump should have been the one to stay in his lane.0
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