Shows are no longer 3 hours/ less encores/less songs? Discuss

PJNB · June 2018

cyrielbuysse said:

I really dont understand why they keep sticking to lightning bolt in the main set instead of something of no code, yield, binaural etc. It’s like many songs of the last fifteen years that were played often are now becoming super rare (like nais or in hiding, I am mine...).

This but MYM instead. Short and good song but not a song I need to hear at every show in 2018. LB every second or 3rd show would be perfect as well.

tino_11 · June 2018

dresi_4 said:

Am I the only one who thinks that Ed's voice sounds kinda weak? Especially Pinkpop seemed rough. Light Years in Amsterdam was missing that ending I like, Glorified G also wasn't as intense. This could be the main reason for shorter sets. He sounded much better during the SA tour earlier this year.

Only went to night 1 in Amsterdam but Eddie sounded superb. The whole band were on fire.

iOnlyownMymind · June 2018

cyrielbuysse said:

I really dont understand why they keep sticking to lightning bolt in the main set instead of something of no code, yield, binaural etc. It’s like many songs of the last fifteen years that were played often are now becoming super rare (like nais or in hiding, I am mine...).

Yes please for all the above! It is not a Lightning Bolt tour anymore (hasn't been for a while).

ryph raph · June 2018

Weston1283 said:

I don’t think it had to do with curfew... band was off the stage at 10:45 each night

Stone has a 11 o'clock bedtime.

Past that and he gets cranky.

Can't have him nodding off during the 2nd set of encores.

Deadman · June 2018

Dare I say it...
I HOPE THEY BRING BACK OPENING BANDS!

aurelgugus · June 2018

tino_11 said:

dresi_4 said:

Am I the only one who thinks that Ed's voice sounds kinda weak? Especially Pinkpop seemed rough. Light Years in Amsterdam was missing that ending I like, Glorified G also wasn't as intense. This could be the main reason for shorter sets. He sounded much better during the SA tour earlier this year.

Only went to night 1 in Amsterdam but Eddie sounded superb. The whole band were on fire.

Regarding Eddie’s voice, Amsterdam 1 was better than Amsterdam 2 but still OK. However his voice was not that great at Pinkpop.

Indifference71 · June 2018

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

Ray J. T. said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

my2hands said:

Call me kooky, but I'll take as much PJ as I can get and prefer 30+ song 3+ hour shows... but of course that's just me, a kooky PJ fan that knows their entire catalog backwards. One of the aforementioned "freaks", if you will (Albany 2006)

Its labeled as an "Evening with Pearl Jam" and they only play about 15 shows per year??? because of these things, I hope 3 hour shows remain the standard

I have to agree with this. if they were still playing 60 shows a year then I could understand cutting it back.
I will honestly be disappointed if they don't hit at least 30 songs for the American Ballpark shows. These shows feel more like destinations than just a regular tour.
Also, if they start trimming the set.... the chance of hearing rarities diminish substantially.
and sorry to sound like a whiny bitch, but after 30+ shows, I would rather hear Hold On rather than Betterman.

Agreed. I think @lolobugg and @my2hands are spot on. I like the fact that the band doesn't do an extensive tour, but at least they are doing some kind of tour on a yearly basis. Taking the fact that they are not doing 60+ shows a tour into consideration, I like to see as much of the band as possible at any show I am at. And it couldn't have been said better, the shorter the setlists the smaller the chances of catching the rarities and white whales that everybody chases.

I hate this fucking white-whale "crossing of songs off a list bullshit". Fuck how small or big the chances of rarites are.

The tenclubbers in front of me in Sthlm 2014 looking AT THEIR PHONES through put the show except for when they played Gardenm, Better Things and All those yesterdays - because they could cross things off on that iphone app they were talking about and looking at before the show started. Fuck 'em.

And they were wearing backpacks to a concert.

Fuck people crossing off songs off a checklist and especially wearing backpacks. Lack of empathy for other people.

It's cool having songs you want to hear and falling in love with "obscure" songs. But all this "I got one song left to finish off Vitalogy" shit. I can't stand it.

And man, Dirty Livin' is such a groovy song. I wanna know what Mike thinks about Dynasty. Anyone has any insight? ...anyone?

I hear ya. Don't get me misunderstood, I am not the type that particularly chases songs just to cross them off a list or to complete an album. The songs that I have been chasing are songs that I genuinely love and want to see and hear them performed live. I want to take it all in at the moment hearing and seeing them perform it live. And I couldn't agree with you more about the fans on their phones during the show, be present in the moment. I have never nor will I ever take my phone out during a show, don't care if they are playing Evenflow or RVM or any song we know that we are guaranteed to get on any given night. Take that 1 picture or 2 for the moment, and then take it all in.

I would like to say that I don't chase songs.... but I was def guilty of chasing "Hard to Imagine" in 1998.
Added an extra show to the tour because I just had a "feeling" that they were gonna play it and they did.
I was hooked after that!

Been lucky to catch this one a few times and couldn't agree more with you. Hell of a song to catch live. My favorite performance of mine to date is when they opened with HTI Boston 2008 night 1. Blew the amphitheater away. We already knew the kind of night we were in for at that moment.

such a cool opener. got it again in Chicago 2009.
i think the thing that makes PJ such an exciting live band is that they don't just roll out the greatest hits.
These last 3 shows overall seemed to be just a average fan's dream. i am anything but an average fan.

I was there for both shows in Chicago 2009 as well. Both those shows blew the roof off the arena IMO. I thought they came strong those both nights. But yes, for the most part we are all more than just the average fan here.

those were great back to back shows

Hell yea they were.

What an awesome couple of nights. Still can't believe that is the last time they played the UC. Can't complain since we've had PJ20 relatively close and soon to be 5 shows at Wrigley since then, but I really hope they get back to the UC at some point. PJ at the UC just feels right.

Zod · June 2018

I don't think white whales are bad. Yes it's bad if people are on their phones crossing them off in the app during the concert. For me, it's always been a mental thing. I know a bunch of songs I've never seen, and it's cool when I get to here them.

The 3 hour "era" shows I've seen. 5 of them (Vancouver/Seattle 13, Pemberton, Wrigleyx2 2016). I got to see a lot of deep cuts. Especially old school ones I've loved and listened too since high school. I remember PJ doing deep cuts way back on the Yield tour, but it was usually 1 or 2 songs in the encore kind of thing. Those 3 hour shows. Some of them had 5 or 6 in a show (or more). I had to cross off my white whales and make new ones.

I did love the 3 hour shows. So much PJ and so much more time to delve into a gigantic catalog. The setlist for the newer shorter shows, does seem to cut out some of the deep cuts. Still it's PJ. They'll kick just as much ass for 2.5 hours as they do for 3. But I'll take 3 hours of PJ over 2.5 hours of PJ any day

guypjfreak · June 2018

KC138045 said:

weekapaug19 said:

jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming

Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session

guypjfreak · June 2018

guypjfreak said:

KC138045 said:

weekapaug19 said:

jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming

Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session

guypjfreak said:I agree.. Not loads of jamming please.. More songs. .

KC138045 said:

weekapaug19 said:

jam more please, number of songs doesn't matter....more jamming

Wrong! Go to a Phish concert if you want a jam session

D-Rod · June 2018

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

my2hands said:

Call me kooky, but I'll take as much PJ as I can get and prefer 30+ song 3+ hour shows... but of course that's just me, a kooky PJ fan that knows their entire catalog backwards. One of the aforementioned "freaks", if you will (Albany 2006)

Its labeled as an "Evening with Pearl Jam" and they only play about 15 shows per year??? because of these things, I hope 3 hour shows remain the standard

I have to agree with this. if they were still playing 60 shows a year then I could understand cutting it back.
I will honestly be disappointed if they don't hit at least 30 songs for the American Ballpark shows. These shows feel more like destinations than just a regular tour.
Also, if they start trimming the set.... the chance of hearing rarities diminish substantially.
and sorry to sound like a whiny bitch, but after 30+ shows, I would rather hear Hold On rather than Betterman.

Agreed. I think @lolobugg and @my2hands are spot on. I like the fact that the band doesn't do an extensive tour, but at least they are doing some kind of tour on a yearly basis. Taking the fact that they are not doing 60+ shows a tour into consideration, I like to see as much of the band as possible at any show I am at. And it couldn't have been said better, the shorter the setlists the smaller the chances of catching the rarities and white whales that everybody chases.

I hate this fucking white-whale "crossing of songs off a list bullshit". Fuck how small or big the chances of rarites are.

The tenclubbers in front of me in Sthlm 2014 looking AT THEIR PHONES through put the show except for when they played Gardenm, Better Things and All those yesterdays - because they could cross things off on that iphone app they were talking about and looking at before the show started. Fuck 'em.

And they were wearing backpacks to a concert.

Fuck people crossing off songs off a checklist and especially wearing backpacks. Lack of empathy for other people.

It's cool having songs you want to hear and falling in love with "obscure" songs. But all this "I got one song left to finish off Vitalogy" shit. I can't stand it.

And man, Dirty Livin' is such a groovy song. I wanna know what Mike thinks about Dynasty. Anyone has any insight? ...anyone?

Total amatures!!!!!!!!!! I have my list memorized. Who needs the I phone app. I do carry a backpack however. Like Stone I need to take my old man pills if the show goes beyond 11pm.

Spiritual_Chaos · June 2018

D-Rod said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

my2hands said:

Call me kooky, but I'll take as much PJ as I can get and prefer 30+ song 3+ hour shows... but of course that's just me, a kooky PJ fan that knows their entire catalog backwards. One of the aforementioned "freaks", if you will (Albany 2006)

Its labeled as an "Evening with Pearl Jam" and they only play about 15 shows per year??? because of these things, I hope 3 hour shows remain the standard

I have to agree with this. if they were still playing 60 shows a year then I could understand cutting it back.
I will honestly be disappointed if they don't hit at least 30 songs for the American Ballpark shows. These shows feel more like destinations than just a regular tour.
Also, if they start trimming the set.... the chance of hearing rarities diminish substantially.
and sorry to sound like a whiny bitch, but after 30+ shows, I would rather hear Hold On rather than Betterman.

Agreed. I think @lolobugg and @my2hands are spot on. I like the fact that the band doesn't do an extensive tour, but at least they are doing some kind of tour on a yearly basis. Taking the fact that they are not doing 60+ shows a tour into consideration, I like to see as much of the band as possible at any show I am at. And it couldn't have been said better, the shorter the setlists the smaller the chances of catching the rarities and white whales that everybody chases.

I hate this fucking white-whale "crossing of songs off a list bullshit". Fuck how small or big the chances of rarites are.

The tenclubbers in front of me in Sthlm 2014 looking AT THEIR PHONES through put the show except for when they played Gardenm, Better Things and All those yesterdays - because they could cross things off on that iphone app they were talking about and looking at before the show started. Fuck 'em.

And they were wearing backpacks to a concert.

Fuck people crossing off songs off a checklist and especially wearing backpacks. Lack of empathy for other people.

It's cool having songs you want to hear and falling in love with "obscure" songs. But all this "I got one song left to finish off Vitalogy" shit. I can't stand it.

And man, Dirty Livin' is such a groovy song. I wanna know what Mike thinks about Dynasty. Anyone has any insight? ...anyone?

Total amatures!!!!!!!!!! I have my list memorized. Who needs the I phone app. I do carry a backpack however. Like Stone I need to take my old man pills if the show goes beyond 11pm.

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KevMac20 · June 2018

Number of songs is irrelevant. What is important and what makes this band so great live is that each concert is a great unknown with what the setlist is going to be. I love talking with ten clubbers before the show wondering what the first song is going to be and stuff like that. I only prefer seeing setlist that are always different. It seems to me that they have become a little predictable and have like a 2-3 concert rotation now and don't dive into a lot other songs beyond that. Mind Your Manners being played at every show is a bit crazy...same with Lightning Bolt. They should play those songs 2 or 3 times total over the European tour. The first two shows of Amsterdam were great and I loved the start of Pinkpop. I just want to keep seeing shows every night that are different from previous nights and where they play 5-6 they haven't played in a while. I am very happy to see Red Mosquito and Glorified G so far this tour. Would love to see these in Prague, Krakow or Berlin along with Satan's Bed and Fatal.

northerndragon · June 2018

mcgruff10 said: moo

LukinAtU said:

Less Porch

Said no one ever.

I'll say it. Oh wait, I have many times. Porch is over done and kills the momentum.

Olivavu · June 2018

I was at both Amsterdam shows and they did feel shorter. Hopefully London will be back to 30+ songs.

mcgruff10 · June 2018

northerndragon said:

mcgruff10 said: moo

LukinAtU said:

Less Porch

Said no one ever.

I'll say it. Oh wait, I have many times. Porch is over done and kills the momentum.

Let's be honest, it kills the momentum for people who have seen pearl jam one too many times. I am also guilty of the same thing for songs like alive. People are singing their asses off and going nuts and I'm secretly wishing for immortality lol.

JB128716 · June 2018

Quality over Quantity. Ramones never played a 3 hour show and their shows were always amazing.

my2hands · June 2018

JB128716 said:

Quality over Quantity. Ramones never played a 3 hour show and their shows were always amazing.

I will take quality and quantity... and PJ usually brings both to the table

With the best band on the planet, it doesn't have to be either/or, they are very capable of providing both

my2hands · June 2018

I love watching PJ fans lie to themselves and argue for shorter shows, they know they are full of shit lol

release00 · June 2018

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

Ray J. T. said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Ray J. T. said:

lolobugg said:

my2hands said:

Call me kooky, but I'll take as much PJ as I can get and prefer 30+ song 3+ hour shows... but of course that's just me, a kooky PJ fan that knows their entire catalog backwards. One of the aforementioned "freaks", if you will (Albany 2006)

Its labeled as an "Evening with Pearl Jam" and they only play about 15 shows per year??? because of these things, I hope 3 hour shows remain the standard

I have to agree with this. if they were still playing 60 shows a year then I could understand cutting it back.
I will honestly be disappointed if they don't hit at least 30 songs for the American Ballpark shows. These shows feel more like destinations than just a regular tour.
Also, if they start trimming the set.... the chance of hearing rarities diminish substantially.
and sorry to sound like a whiny bitch, but after 30+ shows, I would rather hear Hold On rather than Betterman.

Agreed. I think @lolobugg and @my2hands are spot on. I like the fact that the band doesn't do an extensive tour, but at least they are doing some kind of tour on a yearly basis. Taking the fact that they are not doing 60+ shows a tour into consideration, I like to see as much of the band as possible at any show I am at. And it couldn't have been said better, the shorter the setlists the smaller the chances of catching the rarities and white whales that everybody chases.

I hate this fucking white-whale "crossing of songs off a list bullshit". Fuck how small or big the chances of rarites are.

The tenclubbers in front of me in Sthlm 2014 looking AT THEIR PHONES through put the show except for when they played Gardenm, Better Things and All those yesterdays - because they could cross things off on that iphone app they were talking about and looking at before the show started. Fuck 'em.

And they were wearing backpacks to a concert.

Fuck people crossing off songs off a checklist and especially wearing backpacks. Lack of empathy for other people.

It's cool having songs you want to hear and falling in love with "obscure" songs. But all this "I got one song left to finish off Vitalogy" shit. I can't stand it.

And man, Dirty Livin' is such a groovy song. I wanna know what Mike thinks about Dynasty. Anyone has any insight? ...anyone?

I hear ya. Don't get me misunderstood, I am not the type that particularly chases songs just to cross them off a list or to complete an album. The songs that I have been chasing are songs that I genuinely love and want to see and hear them performed live. I want to take it all in at the moment hearing and seeing them perform it live. And I couldn't agree with you more about the fans on their phones during the show, be present in the moment. I have never nor will I ever take my phone out during a show, don't care if they are playing Evenflow or RVM or any song we know that we are guaranteed to get on any given night. Take that 1 picture or 2 for the moment, and then take it all in.

I would like to say that I don't chase songs.... but I was def guilty of chasing "Hard to Imagine" in 1998.
Added an extra show to the tour because I just had a "feeling" that they were gonna play it and they did.
I was hooked after that!

Been lucky to catch this one a few times and couldn't agree more with you. Hell of a song to catch live. My favorite performance of mine to date is when they opened with HTI Boston 2008 night 1. Blew the amphitheater away. We already knew the kind of night we were in for at that moment.

such a cool opener. got it again in Chicago 2009.
i think the thing that makes PJ such an exciting live band is that they don't just roll out the greatest hits.
These last 3 shows overall seemed to be just a average fan's dream. i am anything but an average fan.

I was there for both shows in Chicago 2009 as well. Both those shows blew the roof off the arena IMO. I thought they came strong those both nights. But yes, for the most part we are all more than just the average fan here.

These 09 Chicago shows are two of my most favorite shows ever

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