America's Gun Violence

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was okay with gun ownership a couple years ago.  I never would want to own one myself but understood the reasons people would want to own one. 

But listening to you gun nuts not want to give a damn inch has made me 100% change my opinion and I say take all the guns.  If you can't compromise just a little bit to try to save some kids' lives than I'm sorry, you blew it.  Let's get some legislation to take all of your guns you self-absorbed, uncaring, and scared scared scared scared scared scared scared scared people.

your solution is to take all our guns?  Seems like a perfect compromise.  

We have been ready to compromise.  

 It is like when two kids are fighting over the same toy.  The parent says you need to share it or I am taking the toy away.  Well, you won’t compromise so we are going to take the toy away.

Sounds like a solid political strategy, let me know when, lol 

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Are you bitching about the gun owners on AMT or gun owners in general?

I'm pretty sure just about everyone on AMT is on board with instituting some changes. We don't all agree on what those changes would look like, but no one is in support of mass shootings or murder.

Maybe dialing back your personal drama and trying to help find that common ground we all desperately need would be more useful than saying gun owners are all ok with the killing of children. 

When asked if surrendering assault rifles (including his) would assuredly result in no new mass shootings, one poster on here said, 'no thanks... he prefers freedom.'

Gun owners have much to account for. Not all are idiots, but I would venture to say if you support the NRA after all they have said, done and spewed... you are complicit in the American epidemic.   

Yup, I've said it before and I will say it again, blood on their hands.

Yup, this is horse shit too.

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was okay with gun ownership a couple years ago.  I never would want to own one myself but understood the reasons people would want to own one. 

But listening to you gun nuts not want to give a damn inch has made me 100% change my opinion and I say take all the guns.  If you can't compromise just a little bit to try to save some kids' lives than I'm sorry, you blew it.  Let's get some legislation to take all of your guns you self-absorbed, uncaring, and scared scared scared scared scared scared scared scared people.

your solution is to take all our guns?  Seems like a perfect compromise.  

We have been ready to compromise.  

 It is like when two kids are fighting over the same toy.  The parent says you need to share it or I am taking the toy away.  Well, you won’t compromise so we are going to take the toy away.

Sounds like a solid political strategy, let me know when, lol 

Your strategy results in more kids getting murdered at schools.   I like mine better.

No. It doesn't. 

dudeman said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Are you bitching about the gun owners on AMT or gun owners in general?

I'm pretty sure just about everyone on AMT is on board with instituting some changes. We don't all agree on what those changes would look like, but no one is in support of mass shootings or murder.

Maybe dialing back your personal drama and trying to help find that common ground we all desperately need would be more useful than saying gun owners are all ok with the killing of children. 

When asked if surrendering assault rifles (including his) would assuredly result in no new mass shootings, one poster on here said, 'no thanks... he prefers freedom.'

Gun owners have much to account for. Not all are idiots, but I would venture to say if you support the NRA after all they have said, done and spewed... you are complicit in the American epidemic.   

Yup, I've said it before and I will say it again, blood on their hands.

Yup, this is horse shit too.

Damn. I thought it wasn't.

I mean... if you fortify the NRA and their ridiculous messages by supporting them with memberships... you are behind those messages. Makes sense no?

NRA NRA NRA!

mrussel1 said:

dudeman said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was okay with gun ownership a couple years ago.  I never would want to own one myself but understood the reasons people would want to own one. 

But listening to you gun nuts not want to give a damn inch has made me 100% change my opinion and I say take all the guns.  If you can't compromise just a little bit to try to save some kids' lives than I'm sorry, you blew it.  Let's get some legislation to take all of your guns you self-absorbed, uncaring, and scared scared scared scared scared scared scared scared people.

I can think maybe 1 person who doesn’t want more gun restrictions here. Every source I’ve ever seen puts it at 85-90% of gun owners want change.
so where are you getting this idea from? Are you basing this statement from one poster on a single forum and applying it to all gun owners?
And I’ve also seen said many times “no one wants to take your guns”. But your about the 4th or 5th person this week to say so.

If so many gun owners want more restrictions then why aren't there more restrictions?

A lot of people want weed legalized too.

That's a bit of a copout to a great question.  We've all seen the polls you point to,  yet nothing happens.  Why do you think that is?

Because elected officials give no shits about the wants of the people that elected them.

On both sides.

dudeman said:

mrussel1 said:

dudeman said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was okay with gun ownership a couple years ago.  I never would want to own one myself but understood the reasons people would want to own one. 

But listening to you gun nuts not want to give a damn inch has made me 100% change my opinion and I say take all the guns.  If you can't compromise just a little bit to try to save some kids' lives than I'm sorry, you blew it.  Let's get some legislation to take all of your guns you self-absorbed, uncaring, and scared scared scared scared scared scared scared scared people.

I can think maybe 1 person who doesn’t want more gun restrictions here. Every source I’ve ever seen puts it at 85-90% of gun owners want change.
so where are you getting this idea from? Are you basing this statement from one poster on a single forum and applying it to all gun owners?
And I’ve also seen said many times “no one wants to take your guns”. But your about the 4th or 5th person this week to say so.

If so many gun owners want more restrictions then why aren't there more restrictions?

A lot of people want weed legalized too.

That's a bit of a copout to a great question.  We've all seen the polls you point to,  yet nothing happens.  Why do you think that is?

Because elected officials give no shits about the wants of the people that elected them.

On both sides.

 No,  it means the they fear the NRA more than the will of the people or another tragedy. 

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was okay with gun ownership a couple years ago.  I never would want to own one myself but understood the reasons people would want to own one. 

But listening to you gun nuts not want to give a damn inch has made me 100% change my opinion and I say take all the guns.  If you can't compromise just a little bit to try to save some kids' lives than I'm sorry, you blew it.  Let's get some legislation to take all of your guns you self-absorbed, uncaring, and scared scared scared scared scared scared scared scared people.

your solution is to take all our guns?  Seems like a perfect compromise.  

We have been ready to compromise.  

 It is like when two kids are fighting over the same toy.  The parent says you need to share it or I am taking the toy away.  Well, you won’t compromise so we are going to take the toy away.

Sounds like a solid political strategy, let me know when, lol 

Your strategy results in more kids getting murdered at schools.   I like mine better.

I would say that your strategy probably would result in that because it will definitely result in no changes being made whatsoever.  Do you honestly think the US is going to implement a ban on all guns?  Good luck with that...I’m “for” implementing required safety trainings, at least that is something based a little closer to reality.

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

How many NRA supporters? Maybe 5 million. How many gun owners? Maybe 75-100 million.

The average gun owner doesn't give the NRA shit.

Sure.

But let's not discount the gun owner that isn't a member, yet still drools on themselves when cleaning their gun.

There's quite a few of those guys- let alone the additional 10 million that identify as members even though they haven't paid their dues.

Again, Obama and both houses of congresses had two freaking years to get this done but didn’t do shit. And yes it wasn’t filibuster proof but they could have done something.  Instead we have a republican majority that can’t even ban bump stocks. Both parities are definitely to blame and I don’t care about who is to blame more than the other.  No one can meet at the 50 yard line. Instead it is ban on the left and open carry ar-15 s on the right. 

The assault rifle ban and pleas for things like common sense background checks and magazine limits have fallen on deaf ears for the past decade- and the body count has been piling up. These measures would have amounted to 'compromise' (and meeting in the middle).

The right never budged. The left is now pushing for extremes to settle reasonably. The complete ban isn't going to happen nor should it. 

Time will tell if the youth movement shifts the balance of power and facilitate the change efforts desperately needed and neglected by previous generations (including yours).

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/administration/115953-despite-promises-obama-dem-congress-have-been-gun-friendly%3famp

Russel that link was in response to your comment about it is not Obama’s fault. I voted for the guy twice and he definitely could have done more.