America's Gun Violence

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  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    You can make a school like a prison all you want. That would maybe stop the spur of the moment shooting. It seems like most are planned ahead. What stops the shooter from waiting til the end of school day and targeting buses and cars that are picking up kids? You dont have to get into the school necessarily.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    My2hands I thought Of this today because my buddy’s kid is going through basic training at Parris island, one of the new guys was totally kicked out of the corps for swinging a loaded m-4 towards to instructor s face. Basic Safety!!
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  • unsung
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    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 
    That is actually incorrect.

    Many of us stress training, there is a saying... You don't need a $3000 gun; you need a $750 gun and $2250 in training.

    It is a common saying, and I have found that a high majority believe in it.

    Our problem is getting the govt involved.  That just means more expenses.

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    unsung said:
    People will ignore your BS laws...

    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/nobody_turned_in_their_bump_stocks_say_new_jersey_state_police

    At least ban the sale so that no new bump stocks are added.  At least NJ made an effort.  Not surprising that gun nuts didn’t turn in their bump stocks.  If they get caught with bump stocks in the future then throw the book at them.

    To get the US to end its gun culture would probably take a couple generations.  Gotta start taking action now.

    Good for you though in finding an excuse to prevent any action to try to stop mass shootings.  The majority of the country wants to prevent mass shootings of children, but you have seen the light and it evidently includes sparks from a bullet leaving a chamber. 

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    People will ignore your BS laws...

    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/nobody_turned_in_their_bump_stocks_say_new_jersey_state_police
    People ignore laws all the time... they are called criminals... and tend to be arrested when found to be ignoring those laws

    People ignore the law to not murder people, all the time... so your answer would be fuck it, get rid of the law or not apply it? 

    I'm sorry, but the pro-guns side makes the WORST arguments, it would be laughable if this shit wasnt so serious
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 
    That is actually incorrect.

    Many of us stress training, there is a saying... You don't need a $3000 gun; you need a $750 gun and $2250 in training.

    It is a common saying, and I have found that a high majority believe in it.

    Our problem is getting the govt involved.  That just means more expenses.

    Yes training is great but it is only a part of the solution.  Yes it might stop those horrible stories that we all read about a child who grabs a gun and accidentally shooting another kid or something like that.  just receiving training will not stop things like the Pulse shooting, the sandy hook shooting, the vegas shooting etc etc. 
    I would change that saying to "you don't need a $5000 gun; you need a $750 gun, $2250 in training and $2000 in a mental health assessment"  and to be honest you need govt involvement for that and to be even more honest I don't care if it adds more expenses.  I didn't read in the Constitution that  gun ownership had to be affordable.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 
    That is actually incorrect.

    Many of us stress training, there is a saying... You don't need a $3000 gun; you need a $750 gun and $2250 in training.

    It is a common saying, and I have found that a high majority believe in it.

    Our problem is getting the govt involved.  That just means more expenses.

    Yes training is great but it is only a part of the solution.  Yes it might stop those horrible stories that we all read about a child who grabs a gun and accidentally shooting another kid or something like that.  just receiving training will not stop things like the Pulse shooting, the sandy hook shooting, the vegas shooting etc etc. 
    I would change that saying to "you don't need a $5000 gun; you need a $750 gun, $2250 in training and $2000 in a mental health assessment"  and to be honest you need govt involvement for that and to be even more honest I don't care if it adds more expenses.  I didn't read in the Constitution that  gun ownership had to be affordable.
    Agreed that training won’t stop school shootings but a lot of accidental deaths could be avoided. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • unsung
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    Freedom is a dangerous thing.  I'll take my chances.

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    unsung said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 
    That is actually incorrect.

    Many of us stress training, there is a saying... You don't need a $3000 gun; you need a $750 gun and $2250 in training.

    It is a common saying, and I have found that a high majority believe in it.

    Our problem is getting the govt involved.  That just means more expenses.

    You agree that training is important yet you don't want the government to require it....got it
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited May 2018
    my2hands said:
    unsung said:
    People will ignore your BS laws...

    https://www.firearmspolicy.org/nobody_turned_in_their_bump_stocks_say_new_jersey_state_police
    People ignore laws all the time... they are called criminals... and tend to be arrested when found to be ignoring those laws

    People ignore the law to not murder people, all the time... so your answer would be fuck it, get rid of the law or not apply it? 

    I'm sorry, but the pro-guns side makes the WORST arguments, it would be laughable if this shit wasnt so serious
    I don't think a lot of what was said represents the "pro-gun side." Every stat I've seen indicates the majority of gun owners are in favor of more gun control.
    And to that article Unsong posted, there's no indication that the ban is not effective. The ban just says they were supposed to destroy or turn in a bump stock. If I had one and was wanting to follow the law, I'd just throw it away and not go through the hassle of driving down to the police station, wait to talk to someone, probably fill out some paperwork just to surrender it. It'd just be in the trash.
    Yes, there are probably some who just think they can keep it, locked up in their gun safe and no one will know. And that is probably true, but that also means they'll never be using or selling it either. 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    I think that is part of it, and I think many just don't trust the government to oversee it properly too. That it would end up just being an expensive joke of a program.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”.
    Anyone against training is being a bit extreme.  I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers.  Training only benefits everyone.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”.
    Anyone against training is being a bit extreme.  I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers.  Training only benefits everyone.

    training does not constitute well-regulated. by and large, depending on your local laws, you are free to do with your gun as you wish once you leave your training. well-regulated would mean laws governing how you handle and store your firearm, from purchase to disposal. 
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    I think that is part of it, and I think many just don't trust the government to oversee it properly too. That it would end up just being an expensive joke of a program.
    I agree, let the training be designed similarly to the carry permit trainings.  I would even say that the carry permit training could qualify as the mandatory training if it covers safe storage (the one I took did).
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”.
    Anyone against training is being a bit extreme.  I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers.  Training only benefits everyone.

    training does not constitute well-regulated. by and large, depending on your local laws, you are free to do with your gun as you wish once you leave your training. well-regulated would mean laws governing how you handle and store your firearm, from purchase to disposal. 
    Everyone seems to have their different opinions as to what constitutes “well regulated”.
  • mattsl1983
    mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Just trying to get a clear idea of what common sense gun control is.  I guess obviously I need it spelled out to me, because maybe common sense gun laws aren’t as simple as they sound?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJPOWER said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 
    Is anyone against training?  I even think the NRA would be supportive as they would most likely profit from the influx of people taking their training courses.
    I would imagine a lot of people would say having training as a mandatory requirement for ownership infringes on their right to own under 2A. 
    From my perspective if would even increase the gun owner argument by allowing them to say “see, we’re well regulated, we attended the mandatory training”.
    Anyone against training is being a bit extreme.  I would like to see all gun manufacturers include a voucher for a free (yet mandatory) training course for 1st time buyers.  Training only benefits everyone.

    I guarantee that the same arguments used to fight gun registration would be used on training.  It's just a way for the gov't to track you down and kill you first when Darth Obama seizes power.  
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