America's Gun Violence

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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ Agreed. It’s probably time. 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited May 2018
    Ok.....

    And what about movie theaters? Churches? Hotel rooms? Waffle Houses? Subways? Street corners? Roadways? Family massacres? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc?

    The sooner people realize GUNS are the problem, the sooner we can start making real progress, instead of putting bandaids on literal bullet wounds
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    my2hands said:
    Ok.....

    And what about movie theaters? Churches? Hotel rooms? Waffle Houses? Subways? Street corners? Roadways? Family massacres? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc?

    The sooner people realize GUNS are the problem, the sooner we can start making real progress, instead of putting bandaids on literal bullet wounds
    The guns aren’t going to vanish anytime soon. Bandaids are better than nothing at this point. 
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    tbergs said:
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    I picture the same thing. But I know some schools already do that. I’m curious about those school. How it works there and how big they are.
    i can’t imagine a school of 2-3000 that it wouldn’t take forever to get kids to enter just a few at a time. Not just the cost of metal detectors, but now hiring entire staff just to man them.
    All that for something that I don’t think would be very effective anyway. Many schools in places like CA are wide open and surrounded by a short fence. Probably wouldn’t have time for open lunch. Which may just sound like a luxury, but many school actually aren’t built to hold all the kids for lunch and depend on a large portion of them leaving campus for that time.
    Then there’s that many shooters are former students or enter without permission anyway. 
    Just sounds like a huge logistical nightmare that wouldn’t really do much anyway.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Cobra Kai motherfucker
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    Most likely because the gov't clearly hates spending money on education.  How many different cities/states are suing for funding?

    This would be a big added cost to the schools budget.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    my2hands said:
    Ok.....

    And what about movie theaters? Churches? Hotel rooms? Waffle Houses? Subways? Street corners? Roadways? Family massacres? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc? Etc?

    The sooner people realize GUNS are the problem, the sooner we can start making real progress, instead of putting bandaids on literal bullet wounds

    The newer generation will have to make the changes to gun laws.

    I do believe copycat crimes are a huge reason for why people do this.

    Something I would propose across the boards is that your weapon(s) need to be secured.  If they are in plain site and can be grabbed easily then you should be accountable.  If you have a safe or a trigger lock and that gets broken into then you are not liable.  Only problem i see with this is how hard is it to prove for or against the gun owner?
  • Gern Blansten
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Why a child that age is being allowed to handle a gun like that is just maddening. There should be age restrictions on when a child is even allowed to handle certain guns or be trained on their use by a parent. To me, that kid looks to young to be given a BB gun and for sure should never be allowed to handle any other type of gun. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • unsung
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    unsung said:
    she's speaking to the people who have become one issue voters, to make it crystal clear who to vote for. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    unfortunately that wouldn't matter. lock the schools down like prisons, and the school shooters will turn into mall shooters, or public pool shooters, or grocery store shooters......etc. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    unsung said:
    Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,239
    tbergs said:
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

    Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

    i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

    but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.
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  • tbergs said:
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

    Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

    i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

    but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.

    Drag kids out of bed at 5am so you can safely get them into schools for a 6am start time? So f**kwads can keep shootin' shit and pretend they are Rambo?

    What kind of nonsense are you prepared to endure to maintain the status quo? Holy Christ, man.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tbergs said:
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

    Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

    i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

    but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.
    it's not negative to be realistic. "too many doors" is just another deflection from the gun lobby. it's preposterous at best. what happens if there's a fire? or if the shooter is able to make it past the security at the one door, when all the kids are running for their lives to that one door to escape, he mows them all down. 

    this isn't the left saying "well we can't use THAT solution, then we can't take your guns!". keep your hand guns and rifles. make it impossible to get AR-15's or anything like it. it's been done before. it can and should be done again. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited May 2018
    tbergs said:
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.
    I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

    Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

    i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

    but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.
    I found it illogical because of the time, money and practicality of this being implemented at the more than 98,000 existing public schools in this country. There are about 5,000 public airports in this country. Now, truly if we want to address this issue for future generations, then all new schools should be designed with heightened security for active shooter situations. This could be helpful 50 - 100 years from now if we do not take any other action to reduce these incidents.

    As for your comment about dropping your kid off at 6am, I'm highly disturbed by your willingness to leave them there like some piece of luggage. So many people who oppose gun restrictions in this thread have mentioned how we need to "parent" more, but yet here you are advocating for kids to be subjected to more time at school. Really, what the fuck? Your comment is outright ignorant and stupid.

    I need to stop before I say something I shouldn't. 
    Post edited by tbergs on
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

    9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

    School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?
    unfortunately that wouldn't matter. lock the schools down like prisons, and the school shooters will turn into mall shooters, or public pool shooters, or grocery store shooters......etc. 
    remember the whack-a-mole game? That’s what this reminds me of. 
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