oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

I guess I was different because I got to shoot and drive at a young age?

Do you think letting kids drink and letting them drive (not drink and drive) at a young age is still a good idea?
 

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Do you think letting kids drink and letting them drive (not drink and drive) at a young age is still a good idea?
 

I wouldn't let a 10 yo drink a beer, that's immoral.

I have no problem with showing them how to drive, shoot a gun, hammer a nail, fix a flat on a bike, operate a boat, make mac n cheese on a stove, start a fire, light a firework...

All things I did as a child.  Things I've done with my younger cousins and friends' kids.

I have had one parent tell me it's ok with the fireworks and another parent right next to them tell me no so it's not for everyone I guess, but you need to teach kids about things.  They are curious and you want them to be safe

rgambs said:

Yeah I think there's a little bit of overprotective nature from my fellow lefties on here.
Kids have been operating dangerous tools like guns and cars and farm equipment for many generations, and yes, it's true that there have been many maiming and life ending accidents to go along with that, so I understand the nature of the feeling.
Country life is different.
The thing is, kids did those things because they were a part of life, and you don't hold your kids back from life if you want them to grow into confident and competent adults.  Also, the kids were totally needed for their help.  
The counter argument is that life has changed and kids don't need to hunt/drive/operate machines and tools, but I think that is false and it's entirely born of an unsustainable way of life.  
 I've seen some very harsh words for hunters from people who eat meat from a grocery store every day and never once think about the fact that it was once a living animal with beautiful eyes...and then some person (or even worse, machine) killed it, bled it out, gutted it, skinned it, and chopped it up into neat little unrecognisable chunks so they can enjoy it as delicious food without care.
It's understandable that that way of thinking (and the accompanying disdain for kids using guns) has arisen in our sanitized metropolitan lifestyle, but that is NOT a viable option for the future of this planet and our survival on it.
I think that proper supervision and a little bit of risk is a combination that has worked for a long time, and either without the other isn't as strong.

My son will learn to drive the tractor, he will learn to use a knife, he will learn to shoot a gun, he will learn to use drills and saws and tools, and he will learn his place in the food chain with the always solemn burden and sometimes thrilling experience of ending a life respectfully and with dignity.  In that order, beginning as soon as he's ready.

He will not have access to firearms until he has a home of his own though.

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

I have always been about training and safety so I think this is a positive step:
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2018/05/hs_students_fire_real_guns.html

N.J. teens shot guns this weekend and thought it was 'really cool'

Sebastian Mongeau fulfilled a lifelong ambition on Sunday.

"I always wanted to shoot a gun since I was a kid," said Sebastion, who at 14 years old arguably still is one.

But now the brawny Lacey High School freshman is a kid who's fired not only a 9mm Glock pistol, but also a fearsome Stag Arms AR-10 semi-automatic rifle, thanks to an event titled, "Common Sense Gun Safety Training for Students," on Sunday, organized in response to an incident in March that angered Second Amendment activists and parents in the generally gun-friendly Ocean County community.

So how was his first pull of a real, live trigger?

"It was really cool," said Sebastian, who now more than ever wants his own Desert Eagle semi-automatic handgun.

"I thought it would have more kick," added Sebastian, who got a ride to the event at a Middlesex County gun range from his half-brother, John Barrow, 24, also of Lacey. 

The event was held at the Union Hill Gun Club in Monroe, organized by the president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Alexander Roubian, in response to the disciplining of two Lacey High School students after one of them had posted a photo on Facebook taken at a gun range they were visiting with adults during non-school hours.

No threat of violence accompanied the photo and no criminal activity was ever alleged by authorities. And Roubian was one of 200 or so people who packed a  school board meeting where district officials were repeatedly accused of meddling in a perfectly legal family activity, off campus and after school hours. One father was cheered after telling school officials, "It's none of your damn business what our children do outside of school."

Participants in Sunday's free event were given a safety briefing by the gun club's chief instructor and safety officer, Rocco La Rocca II, a National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor and counselor. La Rocca also runs a self-defense training firm known as ROC -- "Recognize, Organize, Counteract" -- based at Union Hill Gun Club, a two-story indoor shooting range owned by Paul and Beth Picone that also includes the Legend Firearms gun shop, tucked away on a wooded stretch on Union Hill Road.

The Lacey school district was not officially involved in the event.

During Sunday's briefing, participants were given a list of safety precautions, including these three "NRA Gun Safety Rules": 

• Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
• Keep your finger off the shoot trigger until ready to shoot
• keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

• To those, La Rocca added two more points:

  • Always assume a firearm is loaded and act accordingly.
  • When forced to use a gun, be mindful not only of what or who your target is, but also of what, or who, is behind it.

  Sunday's event was two days after the nation's latest mass school shooting, when eight students and two teachers were killed on Friday in Santa Fe, Texas, where authorities say a 17-year-old student used a shotgun and a handgun legally owned by his father and kept in the attic of their house. 

  Asked how gun safety education might minimize the chances of harm in mass shootings like Friday's, La Rocca did not hesitate to hold parents accountable.

  "Very simple, the parents themselves should know that firearms themselves are mechanical devices that can injure somebody or themselves," La Rocca said in n interview after the briefing. "Why don't you lock them up? Why don't you do that? Why don't you buy a safe? I've had some (adult) students come in my class and say, 'Oh, no, it's fine, it's in the drawer.' No it's not. No it's not. Get a safe." 

  A Rutgers survey of gun-safety studies recently published in Health Promotion Practice found that safety training is unlikely to prevent harmful or fatal mishaps when guns are accessible to young children. The survey found that:

  • Children ages 4-9 who participate in gun safety programs often ignore what they learned when encountering a real firearm without adult supervision
  • Boys are more likely to ignore safety rules than girls
  • Few studies have been done on gun safety programs for children beyond 4th grade.

how utterly absurd. a kid that age can't legally drive a car but hey let's let him shoot guns.  what a good idea. the last 3 points of the story show how stupid it is. jeezus our guns laws are so utterly fucking stupid.

Utterly absurd to teach kids how to safely handle a firearm and shoot? The kids were in high school, not 4-9. You can’t own a gun until 18 but you can legally hunt and handle a gun around the age of ten. 

you seriously don't see how asinine it is to allow a 10-15 year old to hunt and handle a gun?  i just can't fathom how anyone can think that is ok. 

I see it perfectly normal . My kids will hunt with me when they turn ten but to each their own. 

so where do you and the others here who see nothing wrong with a 10 year old shooting a gun draw the line?  will you share alcohol with them to promote alcohol safety? will you let them drive to promote automobile safety? what else, besides guns, do you allow them to handle to teach safety at such an early age? is it ONLY guns you allow at such a young age?  and if so why? i'm curious about the mind set here. 

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

Because the children hunting is not a damn issue.  They are not the ones shooting up schools.  The ones that are seems to be ones with too much time on their hands and parents that do not spend quality time with them doing things like hunting.  Hunting is no more of a causal factor than video games.  Would you rather a child that has been hunting since they were 10 purchasing a rifle at 18 or the kid whose only experience with guns is through Call of Duty purchasing one at 18?

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

Because the children hunting is not a damn issue.  They are not the ones shooting up schools.  The ones that are seems to be ones with too much time on their hands and parents that do not spend quality time with them doing things like hunting.  Hunting is no more of a causal factor than video games.  Would you rather a child that has been hunting since they were 10 purchasing a rifle at 18 or the kid whose only experience with guns is through Call of Duty purchasing one at 18?

i would prefer the dad didn't have guns in the house for the son to take to shoot up his school.  

I have zero clue as to why some parents don't lock their guns up with a gun lock or in a safe.  It really isn't hard.

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

pjhawks said:

If you aren't teaching about all those things you mentioned at an early age then you aren't parenting or teaching...

I used to sit on my fathers lap as a kid and steer the car, got to drive a go cart and golf cart at an early age too.  Was taught about drinking, drugs and sex at a young age.

Teaching about alcohol doesn’t equate to giving kids alcohol. Teaching about driving safely doesn’t equate to letting kids drive. Why should shooting a gun be different? 

Because the children hunting is not a damn issue.  They are not the ones shooting up schools.  The ones that are seems to be ones with too much time on their hands and parents that do not spend quality time with them doing things like hunting.  Hunting is no more of a causal factor than video games.  Would you rather a child that has been hunting since they were 10 purchasing a rifle at 18 or the kid whose only experience with guns is through Call of Duty purchasing one at 18?

i would prefer the dad didn't have guns in the house for the son to take to shoot up his school.  

I have zero clue as to why some parents don't lock their guns up with a gun lock or in a safe.  It really isn't hard.

didn't the Newtown kid get his guns from a locked cabinet?  that seems to be my memory but with so many happening maybe i'm not remembering correctly.

Seems most of the people here who don't have a problem with kids shooting were they themselves taught at those same ages.  so it's ingrained by generations.  i guess i can understand that and it's just a different mind set than what I was brought up on.  Honestly guns were never topic in my household as a child because my father was never into them and we lived in a safe suburban neighborhood where guns weren't needed. 

while I think you are all crazy for allowing/wanting a child that age to learn to shoot I guess I can see your perspective a bit better now.  I like that we had a back and forth without it getting personal as well.   

YEah that was definitely some good conversation without people using trumptard or snowflake lol. Adam Lanza murdered his mother and then stole the ar-15 out of a safe.  I m not sure whether or not the .22 he used to murder his mom was locked up or not. 

i_lov_it said:

Don't Humans Kill Humans and Not Guns?