America's Gun Violence

my2hands · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday.

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers.

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns. None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”.

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple.

So what’s your plan for making them go away? I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina. But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does.

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns.

So what is your solution?

Exhibit B

So asking for your thoughts regarding a solution equals saying nothing can be done in your world? The only person here i’ve seen saying nothing can be done is jose...sorry to call you out jose.

It's what is inferred by your comment, which you always go to when confronted in this issue with the facts driving the problem, we have too many fucking guns. You throw up your hands as if its hopeless and put it on a poster to come up with solutions, as if it hasn't been discussed ad nauseam

What would you do, besides arm teachers?

PJPOWER · May 2018

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

See above...

Thoughts and prayers are the only thing offered.... it's become a disgusting fucking joke at this point.... it seems the only solutions offered are arming teachers (arm everybody) or that schools have to many doors... the pro gun crowd is a fucking joke. Period.

Parenting. Video games. TV. The internet. Bullying. Mental health. Lack of God. Etc. Etc. Etc. ANYTHING but the fact this country is littered with guns... and its getting worse by the minute with cowardly suburban white guys stockpiling AR and similar weapons.... tactical flashlights... tactical sunglasses...

The fact you even had to ask those questions tells me everything I need to know

So flashlights and sunglasses are to blame now? Lol

Gern Blansten · May 2018

Every other country has violent video games and violet movies....every other country has the internet.

Not every other country has our gun laws (or lack of)

Gern Blansten · May 2018

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/998607145510699008

Just step back and take in the stupidity of the GOP

my2hands · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

See above...

Thoughts and prayers are the only thing offered.... it's become a disgusting fucking joke at this point.... it seems the only solutions offered are arming teachers (arm everybody) or that schools have to many doors... the pro gun crowd is a fucking joke. Period.

Parenting. Video games. TV. The internet. Bullying. Mental health. Lack of God. Etc. Etc. Etc. ANYTHING but the fact this country is littered with guns... and its getting worse by the minute with cowardly suburban white guys stockpiling AR and similar weapons.... tactical flashlights... tactical sunglasses...

The fact you even had to ask those questions tells me everything I need to know

So flashlights and sunglasses are to blame now? Lol

Nice try, it's evidence of the paranoid mentality of some in this country and why people are stockpiling weapons. Why the hell does a civilian need a tactical flashlight? Its openly advertised that way.

Every shooting you come in here and do the same thing, play contrarian and challenge/ridicule people and their ideas that actually want change

Are you part of the problem or the solution?

PJPOWER · May 2018

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday.

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers.

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns. None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”.

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple.

So what’s your plan for making them go away? I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina. But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does.

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns.

So what is your solution?

Exhibit B

So asking for your thoughts regarding a solution equals saying nothing can be done in your world? The only person here i’ve seen saying nothing can be done is jose...sorry to call you out jose.

It's what is inferred by your comment, which you always go to when confronted in this issue with the facts driving the problem, we have too many fucking guns. You throw up your hands as if its hopeless and put it on a poster to come up with solutions, as if it hasn't been discussed ad nauseam

What would you do, besides arm teachers?

I said I agreed with the poster if you are talking about the one I am thinking. Why don’t you focus on the subject at hand instead of crying about other posters. I’ve offered several suggestions throughout the forum, but it gets tiring rehashing them. Just because people might not agree with you does not mean they are throwing in the towel.

Gern Blansten · May 2018

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/998607947923116032

i_lov_it · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

Every other country has violent video games and violet movies....every other country has the internet.

Not every other country has our gun laws (or lack of)

Stay off the ***GREEN***...You're Blanched...

Gern Blansten · May 2018

i_lov_it said:

Gern Blansten said:

Every other country has violent video games and violet movies....every other country has the internet.

Not every other country has our gun laws (or lack of)

Stay off the ***GREEN***...You're Blanched...

I think that joke has played out

my2hands · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday.

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers.

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns. None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”.

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple.

So what’s your plan for making them go away? I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina. But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does.

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns.

So what is your solution?

Exhibit B

So asking for your thoughts regarding a solution equals saying nothing can be done in your world? The only person here i’ve seen saying nothing can be done is jose...sorry to call you out jose.

It's what is inferred by your comment, which you always go to when confronted in this issue with the facts driving the problem, we have too many fucking guns. You throw up your hands as if its hopeless and put it on a poster to come up with solutions, as if it hasn't been discussed ad nauseam

What would you do, besides arm teachers?

I said I agreed with the poster if you are talking about the one I am thinking. Why don’t you focus on the subject at hand instead of crying about other posters. I’ve offered several suggestions throughout the forum, but it gets tiring rehashing them. Just because people might not agree with you does not mean they are throwing in the towel.

So you haven't been openly stating gun reform wont work in this country for various reasons? The only reform I've seen you advocate for is more guns brother

i_lov_it · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

i_lov_it said:

Gern Blansten said:

Every other country has violent video games and violet movies....every other country has the internet.

Not every other country has our gun laws (or lack of)

Stay off the ***GREEN***...You're Blanched...

I think that joke has played out

Obviously you can't take a Hint then ***You're Blanched***

josevolution · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday.

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers.

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns. None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”.

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple.

So what’s your plan for making them go away? I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina. But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does.

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns.

So what is your solution?

Exhibit B

So asking for your thoughts regarding a solution equals saying nothing can be done in your world? The only person here i’ve seen saying nothing can be done is jose...sorry to call you out jose.

It's ok going from past massacres where nothing has been done i'd say i'm batting 300 , just like this massacre nothing can be done you know why ? c'mon the mighty NRA will see to it that nothing gets done zero nada zilch they own all the politicians that have that preciuos a+ rating ...So yeah nothing can be done ....

i_lov_it · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

My position has been that we will eventually get to a point where assault weapons are banned from public ownership, background checks are much stronger and detailed, waiting periods will be federally mandated, and weapons are registered and licensed.

The piece we have been missing (in my opinion) when these tragedies occur, is for the law enforcement leaders to be more vocal as to what their opinions are.

Here we have feedback from Houston's Chief of Police.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/texas-shooting-art-acevedo-guns.html

“I know some have strong feelings about gun rights but I want you to know I’ve hit rock bottom and I am not interested in your views as it pertains to this issue,” he wrote. “Please do not post anything about guns aren’t the problem and there’s little we can do.

Many in law enforcement are VERY pro 2A. I am going to go out on a limb and say that “most” in law enforcement encourage private gun ownership for personal protection.

And nothing I mentioned prevents that.

Edit: This is a good example of why nothing gets done....I list reasonable solutions and the opposition immediately suggests that (1) A law enforcement official wanting stronger gun laws is ANTI 2A. (2) The items I listed somehow translate to no private gun ownership

I think you took what I said out of context. That police chief stated that they are not interested in hearing about gun rights (that sounds somewhat anti-2A, as “gun rights” are pretty much “2nd Amendment rights”). I mentioned that many in law enforcement are vocal about gun rights and do not support more restrictions. You said that they need to be more vocal about???

What is your source? I refuse to believe that law enforcement officials support the public having weapons that are stronger than what the officers carry. That makes absolutely no sense.

Law enforcement knows that more guns in the hands of the public means more law enforcement deaths. They also know that more guns in the hands of the public means that it makes it much harder for law enforcement to distinguish between good guys and bad guys in certain situations.

You Seriously can't be Serious with this statement ***You're Blanched***???....too much GREEN I Suspect???

PJPOWER · May 2018

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

See above...

Thoughts and prayers are the only thing offered.... it's become a disgusting fucking joke at this point.... it seems the only solutions offered are arming teachers (arm everybody) or that schools have to many doors... the pro gun crowd is a fucking joke. Period.

Parenting. Video games. TV. The internet. Bullying. Mental health. Lack of God. Etc. Etc. Etc. ANYTHING but the fact this country is littered with guns... and its getting worse by the minute with cowardly suburban white guys stockpiling AR and similar weapons.... tactical flashlights... tactical sunglasses...

The fact you even had to ask those questions tells me everything I need to know

So flashlights and sunglasses are to blame now? Lol

Nice try, it's evidence of the paranoid mentality of some in this country and why people are stockpiling weapons. Why the hell does a civilian need a tactical flashlight? Its openly advertised that way.

Every shooting you come in here and do the same thing, play contrarian and challenge/ridicule people and their ideas that actually want change

Are you part of the problem or the solution?

I agree, the “tacticool” marketing annoys me, but that’s all it is. You put the word “tactical” in front of something and it is a hit with the wannabes. Tactical shorts, shirts, flashlights, etc. Falls in line with the militaristic culture. Why is it a thing to be “tacticool”? So why do you think there is a “paranoid mentality”?

josevolution · May 2018

just look at how convoluded this debate has gotten in here , who here agrees that there are way to many guns in the country ? raise your hand ..

my2hands · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

See above...

Thoughts and prayers are the only thing offered.... it's become a disgusting fucking joke at this point.... it seems the only solutions offered are arming teachers (arm everybody) or that schools have to many doors... the pro gun crowd is a fucking joke. Period.

Parenting. Video games. TV. The internet. Bullying. Mental health. Lack of God. Etc. Etc. Etc. ANYTHING but the fact this country is littered with guns... and its getting worse by the minute with cowardly suburban white guys stockpiling AR and similar weapons.... tactical flashlights... tactical sunglasses...

The fact you even had to ask those questions tells me everything I need to know

So flashlights and sunglasses are to blame now? Lol

Nice try, it's evidence of the paranoid mentality of some in this country and why people are stockpiling weapons. Why the hell does a civilian need a tactical flashlight? Its openly advertised that way.

Every shooting you come in here and do the same thing, play contrarian and challenge/ridicule people and their ideas that actually want change

Are you part of the problem or the solution?

I agree, the “tacticool” marketing annoys me, but that’s all it is. You put the word “tactical” in front of something and it is a hit with the wannabes. Tactical shorts, shirts, flashlights, etc. Falls in line with the militaristic culture. Why is it a thing to be “tacticool”?

Why is it a thing to own an AR?

Same issue. Same propaganda. Same fear peddling. It's the same bullshit and the same people falling for it

mace1229 · May 2018

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

Because it's useless? If prayers worked there would be no shooting.

Okay, but why is it when people are mocked for saying it, it is always targeting one group (the pro-guns), when everyone says it?
You can find all of the anti-gun politicians saying "thoughts and prayers" as much as anyone else. That's what is puzzling to me.
I've never heard one person suggest thoughts and prayers would solve the problem, it is giving condolences to those who lost loved ones. Whats so wrong with that? Should pro-gun people say "sorry for your loss" and let only the anti-gun politicians use "thoughts and prayers"?

PJPOWER · May 2018

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

See above...

Thoughts and prayers are the only thing offered.... it's become a disgusting fucking joke at this point.... it seems the only solutions offered are arming teachers (arm everybody) or that schools have to many doors... the pro gun crowd is a fucking joke. Period.

Parenting. Video games. TV. The internet. Bullying. Mental health. Lack of God. Etc. Etc. Etc. ANYTHING but the fact this country is littered with guns... and its getting worse by the minute with cowardly suburban white guys stockpiling AR and similar weapons.... tactical flashlights... tactical sunglasses...

The fact you even had to ask those questions tells me everything I need to know

So flashlights and sunglasses are to blame now? Lol

Nice try, it's evidence of the paranoid mentality of some in this country and why people are stockpiling weapons. Why the hell does a civilian need a tactical flashlight? Its openly advertised that way.

Every shooting you come in here and do the same thing, play contrarian and challenge/ridicule people and their ideas that actually want change

Are you part of the problem or the solution?

I agree, the “tacticool” marketing annoys me, but that’s all it is. You put the word “tactical” in front of something and it is a hit with the wannabes. Tactical shorts, shirts, flashlights, etc. Falls in line with the militaristic culture. Why is it a thing to be “tacticool”?

Why is it a thing to own an AR?

Same issue. Same propaganda. Same fear peddling. It's the same bullshit and the same people falling for it

I cannot answer for everyone, but around here people started getting them for hog hunting. Then there started to be so many variants/customizations that they bled over into the personal home protection realm. Some get them because they are wanna be Call of Duty heros...I don’t claim to know everyone’s motive for doing what they do.

mace1229 · May 2018

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic

Who here has said nothing can be done? I recall most gun owners stating they are for change and more regulations? Who says we just have to live with it?

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others?

I never get why the phrase "thoughts and prayers" is so mocked. Every Democratic politician has offered "thoughts and prayers" after shootings. It would be kind of a dick to not saying your thoughts are with victims, wouldn't it be? No one has ever suggested they solve the gun problem. And there probably have been "thoughts and prayers" that go out towards the victims of immigration, the thousands that are killed or raped every year.

What do you mean by the "victims of immigration"? Are you implying that thousand of Americans are killed or raped every year by immigrants? Since immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than those born in the USA, Americans would logically be safer around immigrants than those born in the US.

If you are referring to immigrants who have been harmed in the process, then you may have something there.

I was referring to the the immigrants who are raped and killed in the process.

HesCalledDyer · May 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

If these folks should were shooting up their local, county, or state public offices instead of schools, that'd get laws changed real fuckin' quick.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting they actually do this nor am I condoning violence. It's a hypothetical thought that, if they did this, perhaps we'd be more apt to see progress.

An AZ Congresswoman was shot at a rally and nothing happened.

In DC a congressman was shot on a ball field and nothing was done.

I do remember reading that Reagan while governor of California, passed gun laws pretty quickly when the Panthers were expressing their 2nd amendment rights.

Right, the frequency & damage done would have to be much more often than two isolated incidents with one victim each. Like, the frequency of schools getting shot up and number of students/teachers wounded or killed.

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