America's Gun Violence

HesCalledDyer said:

If these folks should were shooting up their local, county, or state public offices instead of schools, that'd get laws changed real fuckin' quick.

Disclaimer: I am not suggesting they actually do this nor am I condoning violence.  It's a hypothetical thought that, if they did this, perhaps we'd be more apt to see progress.

my2hands said:

I see the same people making excuses and saying nothing can be done

Pathetic 

cincybearcat said:

I’m just wondering. Since most republicans think thoughts and prayers will solve the mass gun violence, why don’t they just use that for immigration and other areas of policy? Why do they enact laws for some issues and just use thoughts and prayers for others? 

oftenreading said:

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mrussel1 said:

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LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday. 

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers. 

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns.  None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”. 

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple. 

So what’s your plan for making them go away?  I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina.  But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does. 

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns. 
 

So what is your solution?  Since the US is not exceptional in any way or another, why is it so hard to implement the same gun laws as Australia?  Do you think it is actually possible to implement similar gun laws as Australia and do you think they would have the same effect on gun violence in the USA if implemented?

There is no single solution. There are a series of reforms that can be taken in order to reduce the violence and the scale.  You've read the posts, you are just choosing to ignore them.  There is no magic bullet that preserves the 2A, under the definition that even Scalia supported in Heller v. DC.  But just because there is no one solution, doesn't mean you don't implement a series of reforms.  

Are you saying that the US is exceptional because of the 2A?  I haven’t seen too many judges saying that the 2A is going away any time soon...I guess we’ll just wait.  Actually, instead of waiting, I’m going to try educating my children and those I love about how to avoid gun accidents and how to act around crazy people...I do not need to wait for a law to do that.  I do not see guns (or the 2A) going away any time soon and I do not see crazy people going away any time soon.  

So, all the kids who got shot in school this year simply didn't act properly around "crazy people"? What about the people shot in Vegas? In church by Roof? In the movie theatre in Colorado? 

I'm curious about what you are going to teach those you love about avoiding those situations.  Also, still curious about your point about "geographical features". 

There you go jumping to words like “all”.  Do you think that situational awareness helped “none” of the people get out of these situations alive?  Do you think that panicking got “some” of the people killed?  You say that there are a number of things that can be done, but think it is stupid to teach people how to act out in public and how to spot warning signs?  Nowhere did I say that these things would stop “all”, but they are logical steps that I can take on a personal front that doesn’t involve waiting for legislation.
By geography, I was referring to proximity to criminal ridden locations or connected to crime ridden countries with a proliferation of drug trafficking/gangs.  Australia has some natural borders and a way lower population than the US that decreases the propensity of these burdens that should be taken into account when comparing nations and effective policies.
Again, what is your solution?  Bitching about it online?

I wondered if your point about "geographical features" was referring to the border.

How do you reconcile your (and Trump's, and the right's in general) concern about the border and immigrants with all available data that shows that immigrants, both legal and illegal, are less likely to commit crime, including violent crime, than those born in the USA?

I think it is irrelevant where they were born.  Drug trafficking is still a major cause of gun violence in that it increases the proliferation of criminal organizations.  Just because the manufacturers from Mexico are not the ones committing violent crimes in the USA, does not mean they do not contribute to the crimes people born in the US commit...due them having been trafficked across the border.

The USA has drugs coming in across the border with Mexico. Canada has drugs coming in from China. Europe has drugs coming up from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Everyone has drugs coming in across borders, in addition to what is manufactured domestically. I'm told (by police) that in Canada it is relatively easy to buy fentanyl online and have it mailed in. No country is immune to drug trafficking. 

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

LongestRoad said:

Desensitized children due to violence glorified on the screen,violent video games meant for adults being played by children, media demonizing authority. They do what they're taught by role models and what's glorified by what they see everyday. 

lol @ violent video games. Dude, many of us in Australia including myself and my friends grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows and movies.
None of us turned out to be mass murderers. 

Interesting, many of us in the USA, including myself grew up hunting/shooting guns.  None of us turned out to be mass murderers either.

This is just a version of “my grandfather smoked and he still lived to the age of 80”. 

No one is claiming that every gun owner/user is going to become a murderer. People are claiming, with a lot of data to justify it, that the high prevalence of gun users/owners in the USA is really the only difference to account for the high rate of gun violence. It’s that simple. 

So what’s your plan for making them go away?  I can think of a few other geographical/cultural differences that makes the US a bit different than Australia as well, can you?

I know it’s a difficult truth to believe, but the facts are clear.

Sure, Australia is different from the US. Canada, too. And England. And Sweden. And Argentina.  But you know what? All of those countries are different from each other, and none of them have the levels of gun violence that the USA does. 

This argument is really just another case of the belief in “American exceptionalism”; that the US is really special and somehow different from the rest of the world. Well, it isn’t; it just has a lot more guns. 
 

So what is your solution?

Exhibit B

my2hands said:

dudeman said:

Parenting.

Exhibit D