America's Gun Violence

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Legitimate question: What has Texas done regarding anything to prevent what happened today between the church shooting that killed 26 and today? Other than thoughts and prayers?

What would you suggest be done that would have prevented this one?  He used a .38 Revolver and a Shotgun...?

What would you suggest be done about this ? 

Idk, what would you suggest?

Really? You don’t know?

Nope, do you?  What would have stopped this most recent event where a revolver and shotgun were used by a 17 year old?
Assault weapons ban-nope
minimim age requirements-nope
background checks-nope
waiting periods-nope

Locked up? Yup.
Stored elsewhere? Yup.

Care to elaborate?  How would your fairy tale laws read?

Maybe you can? But I kind of doubt it because all you got is nothing.
 

That’s right, nothing.

I don't understand your point.  I offered three suggestions that would have helped prevent this tragedy.  He touches on them as well.  I'll try again:
1. Law around gun cabinets
2. Trigger locks
3. Fingerprint sensors to enable the trigger mechanism.  The technology absolutely exists.  

Do you believe that if 1. Any of these laws existed and were required and 2. the law abiding father followed the law, that this tragedy could not have been averted?

I have zero faith in number three. Technology fails at times, no way I would ever buy a gun like that. 
The first two are great. 

I agree.
Except I’m not worried about technology failing, #3 just doesn’t interest me. And is not needed if you have the first 2.

It might have interested twenty people in a high school in Texas, even though it didn’t interest you.

That one didn’t interest me because it isn’t practical. You can’t implement that technology onto existing guns (well, you can, but they wouldn’t mandate it). I’ve never met a gun owner who is in favor of it, it isn’t practical for practice or training with others. And mostly, wouldn’t make a difference if the were properly locked to begin with.

This is an attitude that makes people want to punch people like you lol
Seriously though, when gun nutters start their hobby talk it's fucking disgusting. 
When practicality for "training" and getting your heehaws with your buddies is a higher priority than highschool kids' lives...
FUCK YOUR FUCKING HOBBY!!!

Your last statement is just ignorant.  You know better, you absolutely know that statement is ignorant, but damnit, your range time might be less convenient so you'd better persist!

And it’s because of responses like this, calling my someone who goes shooting maybe once a year a gun nutter, and calling me disgusting and wanting to punch me in the face when I say I agree with laws to hold parents responsible, and agree with laws to require proper storage of guns, but don’t see fingerprint technology as practical or ass efficient. That’s exactly why there’s some out there who believe the anti gun crowd is unwilling to compromise. Based on your respones you’d think I said give every kid a gun or something. You won;t admit it, but it is statements like this that fuel that fear of "they won't stop until my guns are gone." I personally don't believe that, but when these responses are what we've come to expect, no wonder so many people think that.
I agreed with 2 out of the 3 suggested measures and this is the response that it gets. But gun people are the ones unwilling to work on a solution?
Sorry to tell you, but that fingerprint technology will never fly in my lifetime. For many reasons. Too many guns already out there without it. I imagine it would be easy to disable it, and yes, avid gun hobbyists wouldn't want it. Why not focus on things that can and would make a difference? Like the other 2 ideas I said were great. Instead of attacking someone who is for most measures for disagree on the one thing that was mentioned. 
Responses like that only make the pro-gun side not want to discuss and compromise. But I'm the disgusting one for wanting realistic changes. Okay. 
 

mrussel1 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

Well the people on the right side of the spectrum here are the ones criticizing it.  I'm a moderate,  and a pro gun control, gun owner.  I'd buy them if I were inclined to buy another gun though. However I seem to be in the minority of owners here. 

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Legitimate question: What has Texas done regarding anything to prevent what happened today between the church shooting that killed 26 and today? Other than thoughts and prayers?

What would you suggest be done that would have prevented this one?  He used a .38 Revolver and a Shotgun...?

What would you suggest be done about this ? 

Idk, what would you suggest?

Really? You don’t know?

Nope, do you?  What would have stopped this most recent event where a revolver and shotgun were used by a 17 year old?
Assault weapons ban-nope
minimim age requirements-nope
background checks-nope
waiting periods-nope

Locked up? Yup.
Stored elsewhere? Yup.

Care to elaborate?  How would your fairy tale laws read?

Maybe you can? But I kind of doubt it because all you got is nothing.
 

That’s right, nothing.

I don't understand your point.  I offered three suggestions that would have helped prevent this tragedy.  He touches on them as well.  I'll try again:
1. Law around gun cabinets
2. Trigger locks
3. Fingerprint sensors to enable the trigger mechanism.  The technology absolutely exists.  

Do you believe that if 1. Any of these laws existed and were required and 2. the law abiding father followed the law, that this tragedy could not have been averted?

I have zero faith in number three. Technology fails at times, no way I would ever buy a gun like that. 
The first two are great. 

I agree.
Except I’m not worried about technology failing, #3 just doesn’t interest me. And is not needed if you have the first 2.

It might have interested twenty people in a high school in Texas, even though it didn’t interest you.

That one didn’t interest me because it isn’t practical. You can’t implement that technology onto existing guns (well, you can, but they wouldn’t mandate it). I’ve never met a gun owner who is in favor of it, it isn’t practical for practice or training with others. And mostly, wouldn’t make a difference if the were properly locked to begin with.

This is an attitude that makes people want to punch people like you lol
Seriously though, when gun nutters start their hobby talk it's fucking disgusting. 
When practicality for "training" and getting your heehaws with your buddies is a higher priority than highschool kids' lives...
FUCK YOUR FUCKING HOBBY!!!

Your last statement is just ignorant.  You know better, you absolutely know that statement is ignorant, but damnit, your range time might be less convenient so you'd better persist!

And it’s because of responses like this, calling my someone who goes shooting maybe once a year a gun nutter, and calling me disgusting and wanting to punch me in the face when I say I agree with laws to hold parents responsible, and agree with laws to require proper storage of guns, but don’t see fingerprint technology as practical or ass efficient. That’s exactly why there’s some out there who believe the anti gun crowd is unwilling to compromise. Based on your respones you’d think I said give every kid a gun or something. You won;t admit it, but it is statements like this that fuel that fear of "they won't stop until my guns are gone." I personally don't believe that, but when these responses are what we've come to expect, no wonder so many people think that.
I agreed with 2 out of the 3 suggested measures and this is the response that it gets. But gun people are the ones unwilling to work on a solution?
Sorry to tell you, but that fingerprint technology will never fly in my lifetime. For many reasons. Too many guns already out there without it. I imagine it would be easy to disable it, and yes, avid gun hobbyists wouldn't want it. Why not focus on things that can and would make a difference? Like the other 2 ideas I said were great. Instead of attacking someone who is for most measures for disagree on the one thing that was mentioned. 
Responses like that only make the pro-gun side not want to discuss and compromise. But I'm the disgusting one for wanting realistic changes. Okay. 
 

I must apologize, I posted under the influence and it didn't go as I expected.
I didn't mean for it to sound so personal, I was responding to you but not wishing to punch you and not meaning to pin all the annoying hobbyist comments I've seen on you alone.  But that's exactly the way it reads so that was a communication fail on my part.

I do get very annoyed that people bring their enjoyment level of their hobby into such a serious discussion about how to save children's lives, but I shouldn't let comments from people who aren't nearly as reasonable on the topic as you are bleed through.

mcgruff10 said:

dudeman said:

I seem to remember a time in the not too distant past in this very thread, being ridiculed for advocating for biometric and RFID safes. These technologies already exist, are widely available and have been well received by gun owners. People in this thread acted like that suggestion was something out of science fiction.

Now, some of those same people are asking for finger print activated firearms? What the fuck?

very well received by gun owners?  which model and make are gun owners flocking towards?  

mcgruff10 said:

Just so we get a clear picture of the whole article (same article as above):

After this story was originally published, Jared Keller, a senior editor at the site Task & Purpose, noted that the Department of Defense releases offered an incomplete picture of service member fatalities. Separate data compiled by the Navy, including the Marines, adds another seven casualties to the total, excluding motor vehicle accidents. In May, an Air National Guard plane crashed in Georgia killing another nine — an incident not included in the Department of Defense’s reports.
The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures.