Of the frequent commenters here, What is your education level?

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Some college

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's true, but I'm curious to know what others think about what Brian said. That many tend to become more conservative as they age. I am particularly interested in this because it's not at all true for me personally. I am becoming more and more liberal as I age... So why do a lot of people become more conservative in their older years?? I have considered the possible reasons, but none of them really make sense to me at the end of the day, besides the ones related to much older people who start getting that whole fearful old person thing going on, and so are more susceptible to right wing fear mongering.

I honestly think kids make a lot more people conservative. Not that I am a republican in any way but it happened to me and a lot of my high school and college friends (i'm 40 like you Allie). A lot of our views on different topics went more to the right.
In a way I think a lot of younger adults identify being liberal because they think they are going to save the world, turns out that is not the case lol.
I don't know Allie, it's a tough call and hard to explain.

Geez, I don't think your second to last sentence warrants an lol tag. You just managed to say that younger people 1) care more, 2) are more motivated to make things better, and 3) liberals are the ones who have the ideas that will improve the world. We should all be doing everything we can to keep people's heads in that place, not make excuses for old duds who gave up and got more selfish.

I really don't think that's what he's saying. I think what he's saying, correct me if I'm wrong mcgruff, is that younger people have a very idealistic view of how they think the world should be that isn't always grounded in reality. as they get older, they realize this and also their priorities can change, especially if they have kids.

I know what he was saying. What you just said is crap IMO (i mean that theory is crap). Calling idealistic view "not grounded in reality" pinpoints the main problem in the world. Idealistic views ARE grounded in reality. It's just that other people make better, higher ideals/ideas impossible with cynicism, greed, corruption, etc. It is basically saying that people with great ideas have to conform to a lot of shitty ideas just because the shitty ideas have become the status quo. So what is really going on is that SOME people simply get all cranky and cynical because the longer you live in a world run by assholes, the more likely you are to conform to their methods and the results of those methods. It's a terrible weakness in society IMO, and the reason nothing ever changes.

nope. not crap. and the rest of your post? from 0-100 in one sentence. and your quoting is a bit off. I said "isn't always grounded in reality".

i'm neither cranky nor cynical. I'm more involved politically and socially than I've ever been in my life. i'm just more realistic about those goals and their possible outcome.

I spend my time at a more grassroots level. raising good kids with good values, and helping other families in my community do the same.

you wanna try to change greedy old bastards? knock yourself out. and good luck to you.

OMG, dude, you are seriously in defensive mode right now. Stop taking everything so personally! I wasn't calling you any of those things! I was speaking generally. Sheesh!

I have honestly zero idea what you are reading into my posts, and this isn't the first time. I'm actually very calm right now and taking nothing personally. I didn't think you were calling me specifically cynical or cranky. You commented that some get cranky and cynical. i was merely stating that for me personally, it is actually the opposite. I was way more cynical in the past, which is why I wasn't involved. I didn't think it would make a difference.

I actually thought your response was way out of whack (tempermentally) with what I was actually trying to state. such is life online. I really don't know why you keep throwing this "YOU'RE IN DEFENSIVE MODE!" stuff at me. maybe next time you think I'm taking things personally, realize I'm most likely not.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Some college

PJ_Soul said:

And FWIW, I never suggested anyone could change greedy old bastards. What you change is the system that they devised.

capitalism.

anyway, what was my education again? LOL

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Graduated with an undergrad

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

And FWIW, I never suggested anyone could change greedy old bastards. What you change is the system that they devised.

capitalism.

anyway, what was my education again? LOL

Well, cronyism, corruption, corporatocracy...ism, lol, etc. Certainly capitalism makes it easy for scum to manipulate things. Obviously pure capitalism doesn't work at all, but at least a pretty strong dose of capitalism is still completely possible in a system where the rich don't just get richer and where lobbyists win the day.

mcgruff10 · May 2018

Post grad

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's true, but I'm curious to know what others think about what Brian said. That many tend to become more conservative as they age. I am particularly interested in this because it's not at all true for me personally. I am becoming more and more liberal as I age... So why do a lot of people become more conservative in their older years?? I have considered the possible reasons, but none of them really make sense to me at the end of the day, besides the ones related to much older people who start getting that whole fearful old person thing going on, and so are more susceptible to right wing fear mongering.

I honestly think kids make a lot more people conservative. Not that I am a republican in any way but it happened to me and a lot of my high school and college friends (i'm 40 like you Allie). A lot of our views on different topics went more to the right.
In a way I think a lot of younger adults identify being liberal because they think they are going to save the world, turns out that is not the case lol.
I don't know Allie, it's a tough call and hard to explain.

Geez, I don't think your second to last sentence warrants an lol tag. You just managed to say that younger people 1) care more, 2) are more motivated to make things better, and 3) liberals are the ones who have the ideas that will improve the world. We should all be doing everything we can to keep people's heads in that place, not make excuses for old duds who gave up and got more selfish.

I really don't think that's what he's saying. I think what he's saying, correct me if I'm wrong mcgruff, is that younger people have a very idealistic view of how they think the world should be that isn't always grounded in reality. as they get older, they realize this and also their priorities can change, especially if they have kids.

Correct.

brianlux · May 2018

Post grad

I'm old and I'm still an idealist so all you young(er) whipper snappers can go pound sand.

But I luv ya anyway.

PJ_Soul · May 2018

Graduated with an undergrad

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

brianlux · May 2018

Post grad

PJ_Soul said:

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

I've heard that more time than I can remember. "Oh Brian, your so idealistic." "Get a grip, you really think things could get better?" "You want everything to be perfect." "You're so unreal".

Yes, yes, yes and hell yes!

Go Beavers · May 2018

PJ_Soul said:

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

Grinds my gears, too. I’m a realist idealist.

oftenreading · May 2018

Personally, I think I’ve become more progressive/less conservative since having a kid. Issues such as social inequality, homelessness, declining standard of living for successive generations and the opiate crisis mean more, now that I see how the unfolding world affects my own child.

brianlux · May 2018

Post grad

oftenreading said:

Personally, I think I’ve become more progressive/less conservative since having a kid. Issues such as social inequality, homelessness, declining standard of living for successive generations and the opiate crisis mean more, now that I see how the unfolding world affects my own child.

Kudos, often!

Smellyman · May 2018

Graduated with an undergrad

oftenreading said:

Personally, I think I’ve become more progressive/less conservative since having a kid. Issues such as social inequality, homelessness, declining standard of living for successive generations and the opiate crisis mean more, now that I see how the unfolding world affects my own child.

Maybe it was true in the 70s 80s and 90s when the US conservatives were actually conservative you could become switch as you got older.

But now conservatives are controlled by religion, bigotry, not protecting the environment, crippling education and healthcare, controlled by the rich and corporations and the NRA. The list is too long.

So much of the conservative agenda is fucked I see more people becoming progressive as they get older rather than vice versa.

23scidoo · May 2018

josevolution said:

Only high school for me ..

Same here..

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Some college

PJ_Soul said:

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

I didn't use it as an insult. I tend to think of myself as pretty idealistic actually, and have been "accused" of this a few times here over the years. I just think that the more you learn about reality, the less idealistic you become. just my opinion based on my interpretation of the term.

Go Beavers · May 2018

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

I didn't use it as an insult. I tend to think of myself as pretty idealistic actually, and have been "accused" of this a few times here over the years. I just think that the more you learn about reality, the less idealistic you become. just my opinion based on my interpretation of the term.

For me, it’s been the more I learn, the more I’ve been able to see how my idealism fits into reality. Instead of just imagining it, you see how it can happen pragmatically.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

Some college

Go Beavers said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I still can't get over how "idealist" is being used like some kind of insult or flaw or state of irrationality, lol. Holy crap, I sure wouldn't want to see a world without them - I can't even imagine what kind of hell that would be.

I didn't use it as an insult. I tend to think of myself as pretty idealistic actually, and have been "accused" of this a few times here over the years. I just think that the more you learn about reality, the less idealistic you become. just my opinion based on my interpretation of the term.

For me, it’s been the more I learn, the more I’ve been able to see how my idealism fits into reality. Instead of just imagining it, you see how it can happen pragmatically.

Yes, this too.

drakeheuer14 · May 2018

Some college

I dont know if I classify as a frequent commenter or not (at least on amt), only really read through these threads mostly. And not often.

But polls are fun... one year of school left before I graduate. It can’t come fast enough.

vaggar99 · May 2018

Post grad

i went to the best colleges for college. i'm like a really smart person.

brianlux · May 2018

Post grad

drakeheuer14 said:

I dont know if I classify as a frequent commenter or not (at least on amt), only really read through these threads mostly. And not often.

But polls are fun... one year of school left before I graduate. It can’t come fast enough.

Congratulations on getting closer to graduation!

And cool that you are commenting here. We need some fresh voices here (as opposed to stale ones like mine, haha!)

Halifax2TheMax · May 2018

brianlux said:

drakeheuer14 said:

I dont know if I classify as a frequent commenter or not (at least on amt), only really read through these threads mostly. And not often.

But polls are fun... one year of school left before I graduate. It can’t come fast enough.

Congratulations on getting closer to graduation!

And cool that you are commenting here. We need some fresh voices here (as opposed to stale ones like mine, haha!)

Hey?! What have you against stale? It makes for good bread crumbs or croutons, dammit!

brianlux · May 2018

Post grad

Halifax2TheMax said:

brianlux said:

drakeheuer14 said:

I dont know if I classify as a frequent commenter or not (at least on amt), only really read through these threads mostly. And not often.

But polls are fun... one year of school left before I graduate. It can’t come fast enough.

Congratulations on getting closer to graduation!

And cool that you are commenting here. We need some fresh voices here (as opposed to stale ones like mine, haha!)

Hey?! What have you against stale? It makes for good bread crumbs or croutons, dammit!

Only this, H2M, if your going to go stale, take it to the limit and become moldy. Become a Penicillin Man or Woman!

Of the frequent commenters here, What is your education level?

Comments

Categories