America's Gun Violence

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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Smellyman said:
    Unsung and Ryme, please try to follow your own talking points.
    Right on cue.  Make a point about the topic once in a while.  Commenting on commenters again.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited May 2018
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    Is there any actual evidence parents are parenting less? I thought this was the age of helicopter parenting. No one can do anything on their own and are being tracked on phones by GPS. I disappeared for hours as a kid. I think parenting is actually more intensive and intrusive now than it ever has been.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    edited May 2018
    maybe the thoughts and prayers should become before the next shooting? let's start giving thoughts and prayers to every school to prevent it (insert sarcasm emoji).  can't wait to see which responsible gun owner let this kid have access to a gun.

    edit: i shouldn't be joking about this and the response.  It's just horrible and sickening that this happens anywhere let alone in schools.  
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Unsung and Ryme, please try to follow your own talking points.
    Right on cue.  Make a point about the topic once in a while.  Commenting on commenters again.
    I asked what your point was in relation to gun violence?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    tbergs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    Is there any actual evidence parents are parenting less? I thought this was the age of helicopter parenting. No one can do anything on their own and are being tracked on phones by GPS. I disappeared for hours as a kid. I think parenting is actually more intensive and intrusive now than it ever has been.

    tbergs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    Is there any actual evidence parents are parenting less? I thought this was the age of helicopter parenting. No one can do anything on their own and are being tracked on phones by GPS. I disappeared for hours as a kid. I think parenting is actually more intensive and intrusive now than it ever has been.
      None I am aware of. Just a theory.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    And my response is, so what? 
    Just like everyone else you went to school with dozens of kids that had parents that didn't do the same for them, parents that dropped the ball in every way.  How many of them shot up a school?  It's really not possible that it is so simple.
    The kids doing these things know what they are doing is wrong, they know right from wrong and they know they won't get away with it, they know they will be responsible for their actions.  They still do it. 
    Not so simple.
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  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    I would think it's  harder to be a kid with privacy these days. I wouldnt want cell phone for that reason. I would turn the gps off and get grounded weekly.
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  • KC138045
    KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,716
    wndowpayne said:
    You realize that was probably written by someone else,,
    You realize all presidents have had speech writers
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  • wndowpayne
    wndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    And my response is, so what? 
    Just like everyone else you went to school with dozens of kids that had parents that didn't do the same for them, parents that dropped the ball in every way.  How many of them shot up a school?  It's really not possible that it is so simple.
    The kids doing these things know what they are doing is wrong, they know right from wrong and they know they won't get away with it, they know they will be responsible for their actions.  They still do it. 
    Not so simple.
       Never had or remember a shooting at school..So you are saying its amount of guns and access?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    wndowpayne said:
    I would think it's  harder to be a kid with privacy these days. I wouldnt want cell phone for that reason. I would turn the gps off and get grounded weekly.
    That's my son's strategy.  It isn't working well for him. 
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Unsung and Ryme, please try to follow your own talking points.
    Right on cue.  Make a point about the topic once in a while.  Commenting on commenters again.
    I asked what your point was in relation to gun violence?
    There isn't one good answer as to how to stop gun violence.  I wasn't really making a point about gun violence.
    I was just pointing out how it went down in Dixon Illinois 2 days ago where nobody got killed & nobody talked about it.

  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    And my response is, so what? 
    Just like everyone else you went to school with dozens of kids that had parents that didn't do the same for them, parents that dropped the ball in every way.  How many of them shot up a school?  It's really not possible that it is so simple.
    The kids doing these things know what they are doing is wrong, they know right from wrong and they know they won't get away with it, they know they will be responsible for their actions.  They still do it. 
    Not so simple.
       Never had or remember a shooting at school..So you are saying its amount of guns and access?
    yes, not the full reason, but yes yes yes amount and access plays a huge role
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Unsung and Ryme, please try to follow your own talking points.
    Right on cue.  Make a point about the topic once in a while.  Commenting on commenters again.
    Also, right on cue that you came on here to divert away from a current problem of gun violence by asking why a cop who stopped a shooter didn't run in the new cycle for days. Seems pretty easy to understand. One incident is over and done with besides delving in to the why, while the other is an on-going issue affecting thousands of lives every time it occurs. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    rgambs said:
    wndowpayne said:
    Ive said it hundreds of times. Parenting. We didnt have this shit when I was a kid because your parents wouldnt allow it. These days too many kids are born without parents that keep up with them. Social media, of course, is also a big difference.
    Parents have always been neglectful and abusive and blah blah blah.  
    That's not an explanation that's a blame shift that people with grown kids are comfortable slinging because it conveniently absolves them of any blame.

    No. Its a trait that my parents taught me and I taught my now adult kids. You are responsible for your own actions. My job is to make sure you know right from wrong.
    And my response is, so what? 
    Just like everyone else you went to school with dozens of kids that had parents that didn't do the same for them, parents that dropped the ball in every way.  How many of them shot up a school?  It's really not possible that it is so simple.
    The kids doing these things know what they are doing is wrong, they know right from wrong and they know they won't get away with it, they know they will be responsible for their actions.  They still do it. 
    Not so simple.
       Never had or remember a shooting at school..So you are saying its amount of guns and access?
    No, because that's something that was always around too, hell there would literally be dozens of shotguns on racks in trucks parked at my school.

    I think that shit like this just moves forward uncontrollably.  There are so many factors that contribute to violent tendancies and I just think that violent tendancies are expressed in "flavor of the day" style cycles.
    There are other violent behaviours that have decreased steadily and significantly even as shootings of this type have been on the rise.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    RYME said:
    tbergs said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Unsung and Ryme, please try to follow your own talking points.
    Right on cue.  Make a point about the topic once in a while.  Commenting on commenters again.
    I asked what your point was in relation to gun violence?
    There isn't one good answer as to how to stop gun violence.  I wasn't really making a point about gun violence.
    I was just pointing out how it went down in Dixon Illinois 2 days ago where nobody got killed & nobody talked about it.

    It was talked about a lot in the media, but less then now for obvious reasons.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,588
    So 8 dead today at another School man what a country ha can't even protect our kids ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,182
    explosives have been found near the campus.

    shooter is supposedly a 17 year old male student
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:loo
    RYME said:
    The high school shooting in Dixon Illinois that got foiled made almost no headlines, there was virtually no chatter about that at all.
    Doesn't fit their radical agenda.
    What’s the “radical” agenda and who’s pushing it?
    I believe he was referring to the virtue signaling leftist socialists.
    Or its the triggered commie pinko reds.

    Hard to keep up these days
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Death total up to 10 now and confirmed pipe bombs found at the school.

    10 dead in school shooting, official says

    From CNN's Jessica Schneider

    A law enforcement official says 10 people are dead in the Texas high school shooting; nine of those killed are students and one a teacher.

    Two law enforcement officers are among those injured, the official says.

    As to the explosive devices at the school, the official says pipe bombs and pressure cookers were found at the scene.

    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Almost all of the talking heads are talking about social media, bullying, internet connectivity to other “crazy” people with similar thoughts that can motivate and support, etc. Not one talking head is discussing easy access and availability of firearms as part of the problem. Disgusting.

    If the perp got the firearms from their parents or another “responsible” firearm owner, they should be locked up for at least 10 years. How else do you teach “responsibility?”
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